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UK Digital Radio continues to sink...

Analog or Digital, I don't care....just move AM and FM broadcasting up in to the gigahertz range, so it's up past the noise sources.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/sep/25/digital-radio-sales-dab

They had a mandatory end-of-analog date but that's gone.
Digital b/c appears to be unwanted almost everywhere.

The Brits have been rejecting it now for years but their government is determined to force it against the will of the people, sound familiar? Without the government's interference it would probably be as dead as our IBOC. Wonder how much pressure the radio industry in Britain is putting on their politicians?
 
Analog or Digital, I don't care....just move AM and FM broadcasting up in to the gigahertz range, so it's up past the noise sources.
By their very nature, all digital platforms have infinite s/n ratios and not just some of the time or most of the time, but one hundred percent all of the time.
 
By their very nature, all digital platforms have infinite s/n ratios and not just some of the time or most of the time, but one hundred percent all of the time.

They still have to have some headroom above the (man-made or natural) noise floor, in order to decode.
There's just so much garbage in my neighborhood, that I am really surprised even the digital (HD FM) gets demodulated properly.

I think that any digital radio band is going to need to be up in the UHF range.
 
For all the talk of UK DAB sinking, it sure gets a lot of press in the Top Gear auto magazine I subscribe to. I'm still reading August's issue and there's been several articles that point out the lack of DAB in certain low end models, citing it as a huge negative. And a lot of articles cheering standard DAB in nicer cars. Of course, Top Gear is published by the BBC, so they may have a stake in promoting the digital platform for all I know.

Taken at face value, it sounds like DAB is a must-have for them in their cars, if nowhere else.
 
Doesn't look like digital radio itself is sinking, more like a dip in DAB radio sales. The article says all sales of radios were down last year, not just DAB. And with 48% of the UK population having DAB radios, that doesn't sound like it's 'dying' to me. I doubt HD radio, or Sirius for that matter, has that high a market penetration here in the US and Canada. It may be a glitch, or the economy over there, or maybe the newness wore off, but 48% is a significant number.

Then again, there's a difference between having a DAB radio and listening to one.
 
Doesn't look like digital radio itself is sinking, more like a dip in DAB radio sales. The article says all sales of radios were down last year, not just DAB. And with 48% of the UK population having DAB radios, that doesn't sound like it's 'dying' to me. I doubt HD radio, or Sirius for that matter, has that high a market penetration here in the US and Canada. It may be a glitch, or the economy over there, or maybe the newness wore off, but 48% is a significant number.

Then again, there's a difference between having a DAB radio and listening to one.

Digital radio IS sinking everywhere despite the herculean efforts of the digital boosters who are trying to rake in the dough on the deal of course. Unfortunately for them you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. Digital radio is junk.
 
Digital radio IS sinking everywhere despite the herculean efforts of the digital boosters who are trying to rake in the dough on the deal of course. Unfortunately for them you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. Digital radio is junk.

No, it's not. The reason growth has slowed in the UK is because it's become fairly ubiquitous. The ones who enjoy it have radios and the ones who don't aren't going to go out and buy them "just because". It's found a role as a supplemental service to analog radio, but that doesn't mean it's sinking any more than SiriusXM is sinking because they sell practically zero radios that aren't in a new car carrying case. Over 30% of UK listeners are now DAB listeners.

It's true that DAB and DAB+ has had mixed results from country to country, but it is doing well where it's been widely implemented. The Czech Republic has over 50% penetration at this point. Denmark is noted as having over 30% of the national audience solely on DAB at this point, with a plan to shut analog transmissions in the next few years. They're also migrating to DAB+ next year. I think France is trailing DAB+ since they were late to the game and they probably won't stick with it unless it does well in surrounding countries. However, DAB reaches 90% of Germans and is widely available as standard equipment in German automobiles, offering something like 120 streams of programming. France's other neighbor, Spain, has limited DAB access (something like 20% of the population can hear it) but their service seems to not be going anywhere despite the government's dire fiscal situation. Hong Kong has citywide service, and Ireland's national service is over the 50% mark as well.

Tiny Malta is a big DAB+ center. Their multiplex covers 100% of the population since it's a small islands nation and 25% already have converted to DAB listening. Both The Netherlands and Norway are all in on DAB; Norway has a 2017 FM shutdown date that so far they seem on track to meet.

The list goes on and on, not even including countries still testing out DAB or DAB+. It shouldn't surprise anyone that uptake of DAB is slow like HD radio in this country when trials often just repeat existing FM analog stations and may come and go without warning. It's not until there's a permanent slate of multiplexed content that uptake rises, and who can blame them? No one in the US bought HD radio just to hear the same analog station in digital. No, it was the subchannels that drove the dozen sales of radios. ;)

And even though it's not DAB, it's worth noting that South Korea has wholeheartedly embraced mobile digital radio and TV — over 60 million devices are in use there with DMB, most of them cell phones. Free digital TV and radio via cell phone is something we here can only dream of, since we can barely even get plain old analog FM in phones anymore.
 
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It stands to reason radio 'sales' are down everywhere as compared with the 40's through the 90's. Doesn't matter whether it's digital or analog. To say "digital radio is a failure" would be like saying just because pickup trucks are the number one selling vehicle, that economy cars are officially a failure. When you look at the total number of cars on the road, the argument doesn't hold water.
 
DAB also got tripped up by innovation within its own space. DAB+ is superior, and many countries that went with the original are retrofitting for + (though interoperable radios are coming online, too). One of the critical choices made by many countries were to sacrifice some digital fidelity for an expansion of channels on a given multiplex. This has had its ups and downs, but in generally DAB/DAB+ has some tangible market uptake, which cannot really be said for HD.

Some guy in the UK (was it last year?) did a field experiment basically jury-rigging a one-off DAB station, which demonstrated potential system flexibility (multiplex or standalone). Yet still, countries that advocate for an analog shutoff keep pushing back their dates, and there seems to be a growing sentiment in many countries to let DAB and FM coexist.

Given that the DABs and DRM are part of the same standards-family, it's the closest thing there is to a global standard.
 
I wonder if all this will end up like Lemmings heading out to sea?

Why do you say that? Switzerland has good DAB numbers, but not enough to really make going digital-only viable. It does have size on its side, the entire populated part of the country probably has solid DAB coverage since it only takes a few transmitters. But until that number hits a solid majority, I don't see anyone diving off the analog cliff.
 
According to this RW news item, digital radio listening is actually increasing in the U.K. while analog radio listening is declining.

"Digital listening has increased by 6 percent year on year to 37.9 percent in the United Kingdom, according to new RAJAR data for the period ending in December 2014. The DAB platform also now accounts for 25.2 percent of all radio listening, it said."

It also said that DAB listening in the car grew by 29%. So who are you going to believe?


See more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/r...creases-in-the-uk/274444#sthash.SZObX6x5.dpuf
 
According to this RW news item, digital radio listening is actually increasing in the U.K. while analog radio listening is declining.

"Digital listening has increased by 6 percent year on year to 37.9 percent in the United Kingdom, according to new RAJAR data for the period ending in December 2014. The DAB platform also now accounts for 25.2 percent of all radio listening, it said."

It also said that DAB listening in the car grew by 29%. So who are you going to believe?


See more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/r...creases-in-the-uk/274444#sthash.SZObX6x5.dpuf

It's important to remember that RAJAR counts streaming and audio fed by digital TV as 'digital listening' in the overall numbers, which skews things a bit. 25% of all radio listening to DAB is nothing to dismiss, though.

Another important bit is remembering how their different implementation has helped growth there, versus our spotty (so to speak) rollout in the US. Their multiplexes carry the same program selection across the country, and offer a mix of conventional analog rebroadcasts as well as unique content, and it's almost a certainty that the unique content is driving the growth among minority and niche listeners. I'm pretty certain that there are some areas that have been under-served by analog local broadcasts due to spectrum scarcity that have benefited from a DAB-only local radio source, too.

DAB is quickly becoming a standard feature in all but the lowest priced cars, so it should reach dashboard ubiquity in the eventual future.

In my opinion, the DAB rollout in the UK is the result of doing everything more or less right from the get-go, while the HD rollout in the US is by doing everything wrong. And the difference is, what…22%?
 
In my opinion, the DAB rollout in the UK is the result of doing everything more or less right from the get-go, while the HD rollout in the US is by doing everything wrong. And the difference is, what…22%?

There was a forced analog shutoff date which accounts for it's higher adoption rate in the UK but of course there has been substantial consumer backlash there against DAB to the tune of the analog shutoff date being postponed several times and now being shelved. This would have happened here also if the government had tried to force ibloc down our throats instead of it just floundering for years as it has been. Digital radio is not wanted anywhere even when the government tries to force it down consumers' throats. It is a technology looking for a reason to exist and so far none has been found for the average Joe, they couldn't care less.
 
There was a forced analog shutoff date which accounts for it's higher adoption rate in the UK but of course there has been substantial consumer backlash there against DAB to the tune of the analog shutoff date being postponed several times and now being shelved. This would have happened here also if the government had tried to force ibloc down our throats instead of it just floundering for years as it has been. Digital radio is not wanted anywhere even when the government tries to force it down consumers' throats. It is a technology looking for a reason to exist and so far none has been found for the average Joe, they couldn't care less.

Digital is irrelevant to that point. The average Joe no longer cares about radio, period.
 
Digital is irrelevant to that point. The average Joe no longer cares about radio, period.

Well I think they care to the point of that it's already here and that it works, I don't think they care about any new modulation schemes unless they totally turn radio on it's head and REALLY improve the listening experience which neither IBOC nor Dab do.
 
There was a forced analog shutoff date which accounts for it's higher adoption rate in the UK but of course there has been substantial consumer backlash there against DAB to the tune of the analog shutoff date being postponed several times and now being shelved. This would have happened here also if the government had tried to force ibloc down our throats instead of it just floundering for years as it has been. Digital radio is not wanted anywhere even when the government tries to force it down consumers' throats. It is a technology looking for a reason to exist and so far none has been found for the average Joe, they couldn't care less.

I've been to Europe many times over the past 6 years, including about five weeks ago, and can't recall any such backlash. I also remember doomsayers of the DTV conversion/analog sunset here in the US were claiming there would be a HUGE backlash of angry TV consumers who would rebel by not watching TV anymore, with estimated losses in the 20 million viewer range. I can tell you first hand, the rebellion and backlash never happened with TV either.
 
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