I wondered since most (if not all) smart phones have FM Radio built in them. Will the new smart phones coming out this Christmas will have built in Mobile DTV tuners. It can work out well just add OTA TV and cable channels can be $5-10 more (I.e FNC, Weather, USA, Destination America, etc)
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OTA TV tuner in smart phones.
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It seems bizarre. Most men want TVs cover the entire wall or come close, and yet they'll watch TV on a phone.
Neither of my phones even have so much as a display to tell me who's calling. Also, they're attached by cords ...
Neither of my phones even have so much as a display to tell me who's calling. Also, they're attached by cords ...
I've seen men watch TV on a phone only when there is no other source but I don't consider watching services like YouTube "TV".
There are two huge problems to doing this in the US:
#1. Poor Mobile DTV (ATSC-M/H) adoption. ATSC 1.0 is old enough as a standard that it does not work for mobile reception. It doesn't even have hierarchical modulation, which enables a fallback to lower resolutions in adverse signal conditions. M/H works for this purpose, but adoption of receivers and by broadcasters is low.
#2. Widespread use of VHF for digital transmission. VHF requires larger antennas than UHF to be properly received, particularly low-VHF digital television stations such as WPVI Philadelphia and WJLP New York. The US is the largest user of VHF for digital television—most other systems don't even bother to think about it. While South Korea's T-DMB uses VHF, it uses high-VHF (already blocked by ATSC TV) and military frequencies.
The two best horses to bet on for an improvement in this area are ATSC 3.0, which has mobile as a priority and will use COFDM modulation, and LTE Broadcast.
#1. Poor Mobile DTV (ATSC-M/H) adoption. ATSC 1.0 is old enough as a standard that it does not work for mobile reception. It doesn't even have hierarchical modulation, which enables a fallback to lower resolutions in adverse signal conditions. M/H works for this purpose, but adoption of receivers and by broadcasters is low.
#2. Widespread use of VHF for digital transmission. VHF requires larger antennas than UHF to be properly received, particularly low-VHF digital television stations such as WPVI Philadelphia and WJLP New York. The US is the largest user of VHF for digital television—most other systems don't even bother to think about it. While South Korea's T-DMB uses VHF, it uses high-VHF (already blocked by ATSC TV) and military frequencies.
The two best horses to bet on for an improvement in this area are ATSC 3.0, which has mobile as a priority and will use COFDM modulation, and LTE Broadcast.
People do watch TV on their smartphones - just not OTA. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, Google, Apple, Fox, CBS, NBC, ABC (and a bunch more) .... all have smartphone apps for viewing. Live streaming and on demand content are available.
Analog FM on smartphones in very poor and will only work with a wired headset functioning (poorly) as the antenna. You are better off listening to some local station online. Terrestrial radio through a smartphone is old wine in new skins.
Analog FM on smartphones in very poor and will only work with a wired headset functioning (poorly) as the antenna. You are better off listening to some local station online. Terrestrial radio through a smartphone is old wine in new skins.
Unless it is terrestrial broadcast it is not "TV". The others are streams over the net or cell towers. The content may be TV but the transmission isn't.
Mine works perfectly and has reception as good as my other portable devices. I just don't use it because my phone is......well, my phone and it weighs a ton compared to my Sansa Clip FM receiver.
Television encompasses all types of delivery systems, wired and wireless
"Television," to be perfectly Language-Nazi, directly translates to "seeing at a distance." No specific transmission method is implied. Broadcast television is technically called "Radiotelevision," but that term was never used AFAIK.
In Ye Olden Dayes of the Nipkow disk, television experiments were conducted both over wire and over radio. Both were correctly called "television."
Today, television is aired over various, but not dissimilar methods:
RF signals radiating from big chunks of metal on top of a very high tower (aka "broadcast").
RF signals modulating a laser beam over a fiber optic line (cable).
RF signals radiating upon the Earth from metal boxes floating 22,000 miles out in space (satellites).
Differently-modulated RF signals modulating a laser beam over a fiber optic line (High speed Internet).
The same types of transmission emanating from smaller chunks of metal on top of an ugly tower in your neighborhood (Cellular 4G).
They are all Television because they all allow you to see at a distance.
"Television," to be perfectly Language-Nazi, directly translates to "seeing at a distance." No specific transmission method is implied. Broadcast television is technically called "Radiotelevision," but that term was never used AFAIK.
In Ye Olden Dayes of the Nipkow disk, television experiments were conducted both over wire and over radio. Both were correctly called "television."
Today, television is aired over various, but not dissimilar methods:
RF signals radiating from big chunks of metal on top of a very high tower (aka "broadcast").
RF signals modulating a laser beam over a fiber optic line (cable).
RF signals radiating upon the Earth from metal boxes floating 22,000 miles out in space (satellites).
Differently-modulated RF signals modulating a laser beam over a fiber optic line (High speed Internet).
The same types of transmission emanating from smaller chunks of metal on top of an ugly tower in your neighborhood (Cellular 4G).
They are all Television because they all allow you to see at a distance.
For the listener/viewer, three things matter: Conent, content and content. Radio people addicted to rusty towers doom their industry to extinction.
Your FM phone works perfectly? Really? (1) You must not use Bluetooth. (2) Are you saying it receives every FM station in the market, everywhere in the market as well as an actual receiver and (3) You don't have to fiddle with your headphone cord like old fashioned rabbit ears.
You are right to use a clip receiver. An FM receiver in a phone is a bunch of compromises.
But there's no such thing as a "television set" in the old sense of the word, aka "VHF, UHF, and maybe cable tuners with a cathode ray tube display" anymore, unless you're still hanging onto your obsolete 525-line set. They are all high-resolution computer monitors that just happen to have VHF and UHF tuners built into them. My largest TV not only has those tuners built in, but also has Netflix, Hulu Plus, and just about everything else available in a Roku or Apple TV box. Including MLB.TV. Of course, I still need a set-top box for DirecTV. But no matter what I'm watching, I'm still watching television on a big screen.
This is 2015. It's no more absolutely necessary to have an outside antenna to watch your favorite shows than it is to need a twisted pair of wires and a rotary dial to make a phone call. Neither broadcast television nor rotary-dial landline telephone service is going away -- in fact, both are still required to be supported by law -- but only a small minority still uses either one exclusively.
I do use Bluetooth in the car and it works perfectly too. I didn't try to receive every FM in the market with my phone as I listen to only three but it did seem most stations came in without noise and without dropping. Don't remember fiddling with the antenna (headphone cord).
It is no more obsolete than your 1980's Bugatti. Yes, it needs a converter box to morf the signals from ATSC to NTSC but after that it works just as it did before. I still have two of them (up in the guest rooms) but they don't get used too much. Wifey likes the 60-inch LED down in the media room and I watch sports on it occasionally. All TV sets are OTA although the big screen does have Internet access to a variety of movie services which I do not watch. It is also fronted with a media computer (Windows XP SP3) for all manner of downloaded file formats. Most of my TV watching is done with a 24" dedicated computer monitor which also has a TV tuner inside. And yes, I would call all of them TV sets because they get their signals over the air via RF and through an antenna (just like my old black & white did in the 50's).
Yes. Yes you are.
Oh I disagree. If you have a DirecTV subscription you absolutely need an outdoor antenna. If you watch OTA TV you absolutely need either rabbit ears or an outside antenna. The antenna's are different of course but are still antennas.
I do have a rotary-dial landline phone. It is red wall-mount and is located in my shop. It is rigged with a ring lamp so any shop noise doesn't drown out a call. I don't usually make calls on it but can if necessary. My house also has several touch-tone landlines. They are never out of service and the voice quality is leagues above any cell phone so I will always probably keep them. The cost is minimal. Oh, the landline number is also the number I give to all but my closest personal friends and coupled with a recorder I can screen calls very efficiently. Robo-callers just get a message so I need not deal with them at all. Makes life in this advertisement-drenched world liveable.
Are you saying the FM tuner "works perfectly" without a headphone (and cord) attached?
If you are only listening to three stations with strong signals in a specific area, then you don't need to fiddle with the headphone cord. I only listen to three stations, too, but I'm in the 'burbs and wasn't so lucky. A good phone with a lousy FM radio (analog only and no AM) built in that requires an old style wired headphone is not appealing.
The tuner app I had would miss maybe a third when I did a scan of the band. And maybe a third of those required antenna fiddling. And several more only came in well in mono. After a few tries, I never used the !@#$ thing again.
What's the point when streaming works so much better? This is just the NAB trying to hold back the tide.
The average "man on the street" today defines TV as whatever comes in. Be it OTA, Satellite, Web, cable, etc. Not many young people will instantly jump up and say "KOMO 4" when they're asked what their definition of TV is. They're more likely to say "Netflix". Or "Comedy Central". And they'd be right. Because that's how it is today. It's all they know.
The end of an age is coming and it's easier to simply adapt to it than fight it.
All six of my TVs are TVs the way used to think of TV, except all include VCRs and that's why I got them. If they work, I still use them. Two are hooked up to cable and one requires a box now (only because the woman at Time Warner said I'm not in the group that had to upgrade on June 2, so the other one can wait until August), though both of those are hooked up to TiVo anyway. Okay, that's a highly specialized computer, but still ...
Two of the TVs have converter boxes. I mostly gave up on antennas because the indoor ones aren't that dependable and recording is more difficult, especially since only one VCR still works. And that's on one of the TVs hooked up to TiVo. But it wasn't doing so well.
One TV won't work ever since it ate a tape. Two others did too but I was able to position the tape so I could still watch the TV.
One TV with a VCR might work but I don't know where the remote is. Can't use the VCR without it unless I just press "record" when I want to record and play when I want to play.
Two of the TVs have converter boxes. I mostly gave up on antennas because the indoor ones aren't that dependable and recording is more difficult, especially since only one VCR still works. And that's on one of the TVs hooked up to TiVo. But it wasn't doing so well.
One TV won't work ever since it ate a tape. Two others did too but I was able to position the tape so I could still watch the TV.
One TV with a VCR might work but I don't know where the remote is. Can't use the VCR without it unless I just press "record" when I want to record and play when I want to play.
No. My phone FM requires a headphone to function as an antenna.
Perhaps not appealing to you but the kids down the street in the high school sure seem to love it. Myself, I like my Sensa Clip.
My favorite streaming stations geo-block me so it is unless.
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I have the ALCATEL One Touch Fierce from T-Mobile. It has an FM tuner but it isn't disabled
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You should be able to find a universal remote at a very cheap price in a variety of places. Most can be programmed to accommodate any VCR brand.
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