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Taping shows on digital cable

What part is missing?
Okay, I know that was a lot. It's far worse on another site.

On the TV I use for the new TiVo, and all my TVs, the signal from the antenna or cable company comes in here I can now simply attach the cable from the cable company. My first TiVo was capable of sending the signal through ashort cable which was the same on both ends. The place to attach it looks just like where the cable comes in from the cable company. My second TiVo had to use a yellow hole and a white hole, and the cables that fit in those were the same on both ends and could send the signal to the TV with yellow and white holes. The new TiVo only has a yellow hole. So I had to get a special part which would fit there and have the other ends fit in the yellow and white holes on the TV, or where the cable goes in. I've already forgotten which I was told I was getting.

I'm also missing an M-card which is necessary to get digital cable. I asked for it at the office but they gave me one box and that just had the tuning adapter and some wires and a remote. My TV has no place to plug in an HDMI cable, so there's no point in that.

Also, I need the part that will let the tuning adapter change the channels. If I set it up like my cable box, I can't record four shows at once. I'd settle for two but not one.
 
The yellow and white holes are RCA connectors. The yellow is video and the white is audio.

I guess I'm confused as to how the audio will transfer.

I get that you need a digital adapter, but is this 'M-card' supposed to plug into the TiVo? I ask because generally when cards are referred to in the context of being a digital converter, they are to plug into the TV itself, and if you have a basic analog TV, this won't work. The digital adapters I've seen work with analog TVs are mini boxes that have coax in and coax out. Before I write anymore, does the new TiVo have coaxial (cable) connectors in back at all?
 
Let me try to explain. This day has been an absolute nightmare.

I won't look at my post here, but I think I said the Time Warner person was incompetent. The man who came to my house, who didn't seem to know what he was doing, talked on a cell phone to someone else to get me a new appointment. I could hear how much trouble she was having, so I guess the other person was poorly trained or the procedure is just harder than it has to be. After I couldn't hear anything on the other end last week, I hung up and called again. A person who sounded Asian assured me everything had been updated and the man coming to my house would know what to do. He did not have an M-card because that was not on his work order (as I had been told when I had to add more information). Didn't know where to put one. Fortunately, one of the many people I talked to last week knew where it went.

I don't know if he did anything to the adapter. When it was hooked up and the TV turned on (he didn't know what to do with the Trevo; obviously didn't know what one was, and even told me they didn't have to install those, but if I don't know how who will?) the picture still looked like I was on channel 2 when I needed to be on channel 3. Before he left he said he could get my cable hooked up so I could watch TV. No, see, I have that capability. I have a TiVo that will record two shows at once and I want to be able to record more than that--but this M-card and digital adapter situation is the same for that, and what I have to have done with the new one would have to be done to that one. And to have an extra TiVo in case I fill up the first one. And to have a place to move the shows recorded on the oldest TiVo to, in case its problems get worse or I decided to send it to have it fixed. I can even watch live TV on the old one. It still gets listings and changes its own channels with the IRC cable and the cable box. I can back up and fast forward within the show I'm watching live, but once it's over anything that was recorded is lost.

What is worse is that the person I was talking to from TiVo while the man was here gave me bad information. He said I HAD to have the M-card. But not the adapter. He said if someone from TiVo told me I needed an adapter, they were wrong. So I was going to talk to Time Warner again but I called TiVo again for help with other stuff including my listings. Oh, listings were fun. I set up a wireless network because the holes in my modem look like they are for phone lines, not the cable that would connect to my TiVo. The more I thought about it, the more I realied a cable might work. I was told use a password. But I couldn't go back and add one because it had started downloading my shows. That was at 7:00. With a phone line, it never took this long but it was 11:00 before it was finished. The person I talked to said it could take 24 hours. With my slow Internet, I was so lucky! By morning it was no longer downloading. And this person said Cox and Time Warner require a digital adapter for TiVo! Listen to me, all of you out there who have a DVR and don't currently have digital cable. And how does the TiVo change its own channels? Last week I was told for the first time, after I had asked them before what I needed, that it is done with a splitter. You have one wire (forgive me if my terminology is incorrect) going from the splitter into the adapter. You have one wire going from the splitter going into the TiVo (yes, that's what a coax cable would go into). And a USB cable connecting the adapter to the TiVo. See, this is something I should have been told all along.

Getting back to the password. It was the most difficult thing in the world explaining to the man at the phone company what I needed and getting him not to tell me to do irrelevant stuff like type numbers on my own computer that wouldn't work. But he gave me a password. Then I couldn't get on the Internet. Then he told me solving the problem would cost money. No, all I need is to have the password taken off. Once I got a chance to do that, I did. Didn't work. But the holes in my modem may be a different shape. Later I'm going to see if the cable going to my computer fits in the TiVo. If it does, all I need to do is get a long enough cable.
 
The yellow and white holes are RCA connectors. The yellow is video and the white is audio.

I guess I'm confused as to how the audio will transfer.?
So was the man from Time Warner but I've been hearing the bells and drums all day so it must be working.
 
The phone line looking ports on the cable modem are for ethernet cables. If you set up a wireless network you're using one of them.

I'm glad this finally seems to be working for you and glad that TWC did enough to help you. I was really thinking they were going to tell you to forget it, you'd have to get a DVR from them.
 
The phone line looking ports on the cable modem are for ethernet cables. If you set up a wireless network you're using one of them.

I'm glad this finally seems to be working for you and glad that TWC did enough to help you. I was really thinking they were going to tell you to forget it, you'd have to get a DVR from them.
I've been afraid of that too. But each request for more help is accompanied by my statement that I am very dissatisfied and that I'm considering going to the federal government with this. I certainly don't want to send the new TiVo back, but it's so hard to use. I don't know if I'll ever get used to it. I can look up shows on the broken one as long as it works and find each one I want to watch, which will be a pain, on the new one. I could tell it what to record now, but I might break something if there's no cable or Internet connected to it.

I thought everything had been solved, but of course I have a new problem. And i reported it to the Time Warner people and of course the Asians always assure me everything will be all right. I decided to look at where the USB cable plugs in to the tuning adapter and the TiVo. I saw the place on the TiVo but on the tuning adapter it's an HDMI cable, which comes with it. I called to find out what I do, although the thing seems defective and I never did see if the man got it to work. He had promised to make it possible for me to watch TV, but I turned him down since the objective is only to record. It turns out, even after I asked for a tuning adapter and an M-card, that they gave me neither. The same woman who told me EXACTLY what I needed answered when I called, so I didn't have to deal with a debate about what I did and didn't need. I couldn't give her any information from the box, but I did have a manual. It's a DTA, all right, as the remote says. That does not stand for Digital Tuning Adapter. This thing is for HD. That's why the woman asked if I needed a cable box for a flat-screen TV the first time I picked up two boxes. I assumed at first that there was one for a flat-screen TV. Then I realized I needed a different one if my TiVo could change its own channels, and that's why I called TiVo. I was told I needed a tuning adapter. And yet the woman who got the box for me did not bring me one when I asked for it. Someone, somewhere along the line, said I didn't need to have someone come to my house, but I could pick up a box from Time Warner. We now see how well that works out. I could do all this myself, I have been told, but I asked for someone to come when the box was apparently defective. The man did not know I had the wrong box, so even having a man come to my house won't do. He was a contractor, and I get that there's more demand for their services since the change to digital is coming. But one of the Asians promised me a qualified person. This man's not it. And I may have forgotten to mention he said I was 80 years old.

This ends Wednesday or the federal government will be seeing my comments on why a merger with Charter should (or should not) take place, which if I do it online will mean a copy goes to a Time Warner supervisor. I never had anything bad to say about Time Warner but a merger would surely mean things get worse. Or would it? Would it improve this? I know this is mainly about recording shows, and the man said Time Warner people weren't there to install someone else's equipment, but the only reason I can't use it is their change to digital. Now I could have set it up for analog TV until the August 11 deadline, but I'd have had to do the setup again when it changed. Plus I would lose the ability to record "Jeopardy" on channel 22 as a precaution. Actually, I can't do that now. It records one second of the show and quits. Time Warner is lucky the old TiVo quit working for reasons unrealted to the upgrade because I was told they'd have to buy me a new TiVo if they had made the old one obsolete. This tells me they are obligated to make the machine work. And if they don't because it's not theirs, then they have an illegal monopoly on recording shows. I'll bet the federal government would like to hear about that.

Surely other people are getting their DVRs from someone other than Time Warner. I never did because it didn't occur to me that I could get one if had basic basic service. But it might be more expensive because I'm using basic basic service. At least that gave me a few extra months, though I would have done all this several months earlier if the woman to whom I gave the cable box back hadn't said to wait on the M-card and the tuning adapter.

So many people watch HD that I guess most people with DVRs went through all this at some point. The man who came to my house two years ago seemed to know what he was doing, and even he didn't know how to do certain things without help from the woman from TiVo on the phone. We didn't get the channels to work for some reason, but it might have been all those missing details I was told about. And because I didn't know my Internet problem could have been solved at that time with an Ethernet cable, I sent the machine back and got that older one from Amazon, with help from a man from TiVo. I honestly though the hole for that cable was the same shape as the one for the phone line. At the time, I had a modem with only one hole. I could have gotten help with my phone company, I'm sure. But because the modem misbehaved when it wasn't plugged in right, I got a new one! Not free.

If I complain about all that's gone wrong, maybe I can get some other stuff for free. These boxes and the M-card won't be free after a certain amount of time, but ...

After all, Time Warner forced the change to digital on me. I didn't choose it. Furthermore, the woman who told me what I need said only Time Warner and Cox were doing it. Other companies don't even require this box that has given me so much difficulty.
 
Most cable systems are now digital. Their digital format requires a cable box. Even the newest digital TVs can not receive their digital signals without a cable box.
Perhaps it's time to get a DVR from your cable company.
 
Most cable systems are now digital. Their digital format requires a cable box. Even the newest digital TVs can not receive their digital signals without a cable box.
Perhaps it's time to get a DVR from your cable company.
TiVo tells me not all cable companies require a box for their equipment. Only an M-card.

I think the question was asked somewhere on this board why someone in a cable company's territory would have a dish. My experiences may provide one answer to that question. But I will not get a dish.

It is a brand new DVR. I didn't consider asking Time Warner for one but I'd have to learn how to use it. Although this TiVo is probably as different from the older ones as whatever I would get from Time Warner. And then what about the cost? This one was $50 plus, if it lasts as long as my first TiVo did, $5 per month.

And they tell me I can move my shows from one TiVo to the other. Would Time Warner help me with that? At least TiVo's people are in the U.S.
 
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This was all supposed to be done by now, but it's not.

And just when I thought things couldn't get any worse, the sound went out. I also couldn't tell the TiVo to record "Jeopardy" on both WCNC and WFMY in case of a weather bulletin or something on WCNC. Anyway, I've got the TiVo set to record most of the shows I watch, and others will actually have to be in the listings or I'll have to remember what they are and go to where I enter the name alphabetically. Doing all this turned out to be easier than I thought. While I can't remember exactly what I do that doesn't merely get me the show description without the way to record it (and very quickly, the message that my cable is still not hooked up, or "Searching for signal"), I get a list of all the shows on that channel and I can just keep scrolling through it until the listings run out. I would have to tell it to get more listings and then realize that took at least four hours last time and, this time, I am using my computer too. Talk about slow! And, oh, now that I have spent $25 on a 25-foot Ethernet cable (but I really did need it to be that long, as it almost didn't reach), my computer warns me a mystery computer has connected with my network! So, anyway, I did this for each channel and it says everything will record--EXCEPT "Jeopardy" on WFMY! And my other TiVo that can still record gets a modern art exhibit with no sound on WFMY. If I remember to watch live I can do that with the TiVo that is broken or with either TV that has antenna but can't currently record (easily solved by unhooking a TV with a VCR from its TiVo and putting one with a broken VCR in its place). Provided the signal is watchable. WFMY used to have the best signal back in 2009. I haven't succeeded in getting that problem fixed, though this was the first Asian I talked to after calling TiVo. But when I mentioned the sound, and explained I have a yellow hole on the TiVo and a white hole and a yellow hole on the TV, she said unplug the TiVo and plug it back in. And when it came back on, a few minutes later the sound was back. I'm so relieved. I was beginning to think I would have to spend money on a new TV.

So why don't I have cable? The man came this morning. And this one really seemed to know what he was doing. He knew exactly what the process was for making the tuning adapter work, and I handed him the "DTA" that didn't. He pointed to what I call a cable box and said that was a DTA (a different kind of DTA, actually) and said that won't work on my TiVo. He even tested it. Nothing. He was surprised it did work on my older TiVo. And he explained that only four people in the county have an M-Card. So the office doesn't keep a supply of cards that have already been activated. Not sure of the exact term he used but that's close enough. He had to call and was put on hold and he was informed that yes, they have to send it off to be activated. I said I only had less than two weeks. He assured me it could be installed on Friday. The big question is: why did no one know this back when I asked for an M-card? Why did no one say this when the man was at my house and didn't know a DTA from a DSL and called my box a Trevo, and had to arrange for a man to come to my house with an M-card?

But I'm finally getting something resembling good service from Time Warner, so no report to the government. Oh, good, my computer's speeding up now. And that icon that said Windows was downloading updates if I moved my mouse over it is gone.
 
This wasn't going to be easy. It never is. The two men showed up a little late but still within the hour when they were scheduled to arrive. They were contractors for Time Warner. That's what the man who didn't know what he was doing was. But they didn't have the equipment since they weren't from my office. They were waiting for it. That gave me time to finish washing dishes. And then I went in and added shows to the list of what I wanted to record. When I was doing that earlier, someone from TiVo told me I'd have to go through guided setup again when the Mcard was installed. Oh, no, after all that i've been through, I have to get my shows again and tell it to record? That wasn't the case. But my sound did go out while I was doing it and I remembered the advice I was give. The TiVo might not have been plugged in right because the cable box was plugged in so close to it, it may have kept the TiVo from being plugged in all the way. I hope this won't end up being a problem. Anyway, I got that solved before the men came back. Once one put in the M-card I got the screen and told it what to do. It can't perform this function. I tried something else and got a screen saying it had to be activated. The man knew what to do. I guess it was activated, and then it had to be speifically activated to work with my TiVo. Eventually, the information on the screen changed and we knew it had worked. I tested channels and they worked. At some point they hooked up the tuning adapter, which is not what DTA stands for. What I had last week was a Digital Transport Adapter. I noticed they didn't use a splitter, but I went to the screen where I select shows to record, picked out two, and got them both to record. Then I played them both back. That meant they were through.

So I can continue to use my own DVR and not have to use theirs. I didn't have to report anything to the federal government, though a supervisor is deifnitely gong to hear about my experiences.

And returning to the original topic, the channel name and number did not display in the lower right corner in the recordings.
 
Wow, what a twisted journey.......glad it ended at your desired destination though.

I was about to ask where you lived to see if i could figure this out for you. Hopefully this setup works for you for a good long while.
 
It's not really over. I got my bill and was charged nearly $100 for all of that. I called and explained how I was told, when I tried to do it myself with the wrong equipment, that there would be no charge (also mentioning this upgrade to digital cable was forced on me, and the atrocious customer service which I would now have to tell the government about). The man got two of the charges taken off. I'm waiting on a call about the third, a charge which is truly unjustified. There was no additional outlet. The cable was put in the tuning adpater, and another cable was run from there to the TiVo. It works. There is the same number of outlets.

Now because I haven't gotten the third Tivo to work so far with an antenna, there is a chance these charges could be real. However, If I can successfully get the right equipment and do it myself, the additional outlet would be the only charge. It might be more expesnive simply because a person would be coming out to do it rather than being here already for the other job.

However, I checked the antenna and it wasn't working. Once I got it working I pretended the TiVo would once again be connected to cable and got back the ability to watch my shows that have been recorded.

The new TiVo is quite difficult at times to use. But I can find ways to do whatever needs to be done. There's no going back to the easy way of doing things. Not unless I find a used one on Amazon or something.
 
And it's not over.

The TiVo that wasn't recording shows has started doing it again. I thought I had stopped it from doing that so I wouldn't have to delete anything, even if it was short. There could, after all, be problems that would cause me to lose shows I recorded and didn't extend the life of. Which is exactly what happened. All the shows that did record did so after the day of the switch to digital cable. Which is a mystery. I got the cable box and it was recording just fine (signals could still be analog, but with the cable boxes, it would be like the change had already happened) until the power went out. I could watch shows live just fine. I could even record them in the sense that I could go back and see something that happened a few seconds or minutes earlier, but not after the show ended.

Meanwhile, that was the only way I got to record "Jeopardy" on Friday. I had the new machine set to record "Jeopardy" on all channels that aired it, though it would only actually do so for WFMY. WFMY had a Panthers game. I had the TiVo set to record WFMY during "Jeopardy" regardless of what was on. So I had a recording of part of the game instead of "Jeopardy". I had a recording of "Jeopardy" when it actually was supposed to have aired, only it didn't. I imagine fans were mad when they recorded it and didn't get it, though it was a rerun. I had the TiVo set to record whatever was on WCNC when "Jeopardy" was on. It didn't. i don't know why. When I figured out how to get to the list of shows recorded, which gives a reason if the show didn't record, it said "not authorized".

I also achieved recording 4 shows at once. It wasn't intentional. But I tried to change channels and got a message that I couldn't without losing one of the shows I was recording. I was recording "Family Guy" twice since I am manually recording at that time of day, just in case. And recording all episodes of "Family Guy". "60 Minutes" was being recorded since it was on at the same time "Jeopardy" is on 6 nights a week. I was testing to make sure I could watch two other channels because every time I turned on the TV, I got a message saying I was not authorized to be on that channel. I don't know how I got on that channel in the first place!
 
You're keeping the old TiVo just to watch your old shows, right?

Can you not just cancel all recordings of it, or even disconnect it from cable and use an A-B box to switch when you want to watch what you recorded on the old TiVo? That should stop it from recording new content.
 
You're keeping the old TiVo just to watch your old shows, right?

Can you not just cancel all recordings of it, or even disconnect it from cable and use an A-B box to switch when you want to watch what you recorded on the old TiVo? That should stop it from recording new content.
The power went out last night. I'm curious to see whether that will affect it.

I cancelled Season Passes for shows that have recorded. Even if it didn't record, I could still set it to change the channel and use the VCR. Or I could set it to change the channel and watch live.

I don't really need it, but it's good to have. My new one is being temperamental about "Jeopardy" so it may be a good thing the old still works (or worked).

The same scenario for "Jeopardy" will come up on Thursdays. WFMY will have CBS Thursday Night Football, if I recall correctly from last year. WCNC ought to record but there's no guarantee WFMY will air the show when they are supposed to if WCNC doesn't have it. Then again, the old one works.

And the sound went out last night and I had to restart the new one. Fortunately, I had seen that episode of "Anger Management". I'm hoping the sound going out related to the power going out, though the thing is firmly plugged in, which it wasn't before. Plus I keep getting sent to the M-Card authorization screen, which goes away if I just go to the main menu.

At least I found out how to stop watching TV while I look at listings. That was so annoying.
 
And I thought my problems were over.

I don't know the cause or the cure. I figure it'll help people if I write about my experiences, and that's why I did that on the Time Warner message boards for my earlier problems, at least when I was looking up the terms and found those. I could have answered people's questions or assured them the problem could be fixed, but these were old questions.

But one night last week the news on the CW affiliate didn't record. And this was a really important night. I can depend on this station (usually) to give me the low and the high, while other stations don't care. When looking at the radar after the newscasts were over on Time Warner's news channel, I did discover they can probably be depended on to do that too, so that's a possible option. But we had a pretty serious weather situation. I already mentioned my power went out, though only briefly, and this may have been connected.

The next night, the CW affiliate's news still didn't record. But I didn't think it was the station since I got "The Simpsons". Or thought I did.

Friday, still no news, and no "Simpsons" either. And nothing from The CW, though the only shows I taped were reruns I had probably seen. This time, I know it's the station. I turned to each channel, and they all worked except for this one. It said I was not authorized to get that channel and contact the cable company. I watched "Anger Management" as usual. I started to try something that worked when I had problems with using an antenna, and I was told it would stop recording "Anger Management". So I waited, and sacrificed the next episode of that show. A channel scan was not possible if I was using an M-card. But I could test each channel individually and use the button that changes the channel. "King of the Hill" came on like it was supposed to, even though I don't watch it. Everything on that station that I have wanted to record has recorded since. In fact, "The Simpsons" recorded, even though five minutes before it started, the channel was "not authorized". I thought maybe my channel testing had brought it back, but then how did "The Simpsons" record? I should ask this on the Time Warner message boards when I'm at the library and don't have to be concerned about how slow it will be coming up.
 
I didn't think things could get any worse.

Because it seemed to be a Time Warner problem, I went to Time Warner's message boards. Someone finally responded. No, it was not their problem, although they caused it. I was told sometimes the tuning adapter "forgets" to do its job. The tuning adapter was made necessary by Time Warner going to digital.

Actually, I'm not sure what's going on now. I was told an M-card and a digital adapter would make it possible for me to watch four channels I was going to lose when they moved to the digital tier. I tried to record from one of those channels, it didn't happen, and I got "not authorized" as the reason why in the history of my recordings. I tried to turn to that channel and couldn't. Now it works with my older TiVo which has a regular "cable box" and no M-card.

The problem gets worse. Sometimes after I try to record a show from that unauthorized channel I lose other shows I intended to record.

I was told to go to the TiVo message boards but I can't sign in and they don't recognize my email address when I tell it to them. Furthemore, I am told "vchimpanzee" has never registered there in 15 years, and yet that's the name in my welcome email.

Anyway, if I learn more about this and other problems I'll report back.
 
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