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Out with the Old

Ai4i

Ai4i

At the end of 2014, Russia turned off most of their longwave broadcast transmitters.
The French national broadcaster has turned off most of their medium wave transmitters at the end of 2015 and has announced that the easiest European longwave broadcaster to receive in North America, the two megawatt France Inter on 162KHz, will be shut down at the end of 2016.
Norway is taking this one step further by planning to become the first nation to terminate all of their analogue FM radio stations on January 11, 2017. They will use only DAB and/or DAB+, arguably the best terrestrial broadcasting formats available.
 
ai4i said:
At the end of 2014, Russia turned off most of their longwave broadcast transmitters.
The French national broadcaster has turned off most of their medium wave transmitters at the end of 2015 and has announced that the easiest European longwave broadcaster to receive in North America, the two megawatt France Inter on 162KHz, will be shut down at the end of 2016.
Norway is taking this one step further by planning to become the first nation to terminate all of their analogue FM radio stations on January 11, 2017. They will use only DAB and/or DAB+, arguably the best terrestrial broadcasting formats available.
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What is the market penetration of DAB-capable radios in Norway? Is the government subsidizing distribution or even a giveaway? Do most Norwegians still buy new stand-alone radios and are they in most department stores there?
 
Probably higher penetration than that of longwave receivers!

These are all questions for which we will wait eagerly to read the results of your research.
Please do not keep us waiting too longly and please do not disappoint us.
 
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ai4i said:
Probably higher penetration than that of longwave receivers!

These are all questions for which we will wait eagerly to read the results of your research.
Please do not keep us waiting too longly and please do not disappoint us.
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Not sure what I said to deserve the snark. And what's with the boldface "ly"? Looks like some sort of in-joke at the expense of some other poster who is not me. Do you have me confused with someone else? All I did was ask a few logical questions about Norway -- which is terminating analog FM, not longwave. If I were researching the questions, why would I have asked them? I wait eagerly to read the results of your research.
 
From what I've read, FM in Norway will probably survive in the form of local radio, and some commercial FM stations will still use FM, also (not all of the commercial broadcasters can apparently fit onto the national DAB network).

DAB broadcast penetration is very high, and I think there are more homes with DAB receivers in Norway than in other European countries that have tried replacing FM with DAB. Norway is also including online radio reception as one of their criteria for the date they shut down the NRK national FM network.

Longwave is used in the north of Norway by fishermen - the NRK has kept it alive for the same reason Iceland kept their Longwave broadcasts alive. FM and DAB just don't reach the fishing grounds as well as Longwave does.
 
CTListener said:
Not sure what I said to deserve the snark.
And what's with the boldface "ly"?
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Sorry, I did not mean to offend you.
That was not meant to be a snark
About the ly, I am just obsessive about not using adjectives when adverbs are due.
I sometimes mix a bit of sarcasm into my serious posts just to liven them up.

BB4 offered an informative reply, I believe the Beeb is also working on this.
When you have half a dozen national networks, it requires six (6) FM transmitters per area but only one (1) DAB transmitter. Also, digital requires less transmitter power to cover the same area with a full quieting signal than analogue does, so DAB is a lot cheaper to install and maintain than any analogue platform.

If and after North America transitions to full IBOC with no broad analogue component, we will have something like six (6) stations for the price of one (1).
 
ai4i said:
Sorry, I did not mean to offend you.
That was not meant to be a snark
About the ly, I am just obsessive about not using adjectives when adverbs are due.
I sometimes mix a bit of sarcasm into my serious posts just to liven them up.

BB4 offered an informative reply, I believe the Beeb is also working on this.
When you have half a dozen national networks, it requires six (6) FM transmitters per area but only one (1) DAB transmitter. Also, digital requires less transmitter power to cover the same area with a full quieting signal than analogue does, so DAB is a lot cheaper to install and maintain than any analogue platform.

If and after North America transitions to full IBOC with no broad analogue component, we will have something like six (6) stations for the price of one (1).
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No offense taken. I disagree about "longly," but won't pursue it other than to say that no stylebook I know of even recognizes the word.

As a longtime SWL and ham band monitor, I'd pay admission to hear you and KB1OKL duke it out some night on 75 meters on the topic of HD Radio.
 
CTListener said:
I disagree about "longly,"
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I have been known to create adverbs out of adjectives by adding ly's, indiscriminately.
My obsession is stronger than my quest for accuracy.

I have only dipped my toenails into HF when I drove around with a 10-FM rig and operated all the way down to, maybe as low as, 29.4MHz. I thought it was kewl to talk to someone who was across town, slightly beyond simplex range, through a repeater more than a kilo-mile away.

HD radio is a system designed to fail, but it does sound good.
 
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ai4i said:
I have been known to create adverbs out of adjectives by adding ly's, indiscriminately.
My obsession is stronger than my quest for accuracy.

I have only dipped my toenails into HF when I drove around with a 10-FM rig and operated all the way down to, maybe as low as, 29.4MHz. I thought it was kewl to talk to someone who was across town, slightly beyond simplex range, through a repeater more than a kilo-mile away.
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You could then attempt the same contact with your beam pointing the wrong way, then via OSCAR, then via moonbounce, just to test the limits of inefficient short-distance communication. Or not.
 
In junior high school, I was in an English class where the teacher gave us the assignment of writing an essay about our hobbies. So naturally, I wrote about DX. I used the common phrase "loud and clear". My paper came back with the teacher changing it to "loudly and clearly". I can't say as I aqreed with her, but she was the one handing out the grades!
 
cyberdad said:
I wrote about DXing
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The stations were loud and clear,
because your two adjectives described (modified) the noun, "stations".
I heard the stations loudly and clearly, because the adverbs described (modified) the verb, "heard".
In the second example, you are saying nothing about the stations, only about your personal, private experience of hearing them, and "hearing" is an activity.
 
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