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Sub channels, have we learned to like them or not?

Legally? Didn't think so.

I don't think it's very smart to advocate doing something that's clearly against the law on a message board that you don't own. Some boards will immediately ban people who do that.

I am not advocating illegal viewing. The services I had in mind are in the clear and available for viewing without restriction. Just like back in the Big Ugly Dish days when we could view the backhauls. Also, no special software or permissions are necessary - nor do they require registration.

They tend to be broadcast in their native language though so watching in English is not always available.
 
I am not advocating illegal viewing. The services I had in mind are in the clear and available for viewing without restriction. Just like back in the Big Ugly Dish days when we could view the backhauls. Also, no special software or permissions are necessary - nor do they require registration.

They tend to be broadcast in their native language though so watching in English is not always available.

That's great, but if you're a baseball fan and want to watch a Yankees game, I don't think most people are going to settle for a cricket match from Bombay as a replacement.
 
I watch Antenna TV and Me-TV, and sometimes Buzzr more than I watch the others. There's others I sample from time-to-time--Bounce, Decades, This, H&I, Cozi, Movies!, and a few of the PBS diginets I get locally (mainly World and PBS SoCal Plus [KOCE-DT2]), but that's pretty much the extent of my subchannel viewing. The other subchannels here are either foreign, pay-for-pray, or wall-to-wall infomercials.

However, even despite the hours of local news produced here in L.A. (where there's a newscast airing at least every hour from 4am-midnight daily), it would be nice to an all-news channel--either via a subchannel or cable. KABC and KNBC each tried half-assed attempts at having "all-news" subchannels, and they both fell by the wayside due to a lack of factors, and KCBS was suppose to launch a "CBS Plus" service similar to WCBS and KYW had, but of course Decades came along and kill that.
 
That's great, but if you're a baseball fan and want to watch a Yankees game, I don't think most people are going to settle for a cricket match from Bombay as a replacement.

I am not a MLB fan so can't say I have ever tried watching a Yankees game but if you must watch the Yankees and it isn't available except by subscription then you already know the answer to your statement. I did not claim that every possible sporting event was available but there are an incredible number that are. I have also yet to see Championship Wrist Wrestling that ABC used to televise on its Wide World of Sports either. Of course, I could just hop on down to my local bar and grill.......
 
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/local-tv/multicast-nets-extend-reach-new-niches/162283

Heres Broadcast and Cables take on Subchannels

Broadcasters are unleashing the next-gen of diginets aimed at capturing viewers with everything from digital content and multiplatform initiatives to crime-busting measures. While far from scrapping classic TV, the core of their pioneering predecessors, the new crop of multicast nets is leveraging programming, multiplatform opportunity and good-doer missions to reach untapped audiences: niche and young viewers.

The earliest entrants in the space—including retro TV channel Me TV and African-American-oriented Bounce TV, a trailblazer in offering original content—have been operating for more than five years now, an important media-business milestone. Newcomers trying to emulate their success are entering the marketplace with strategies designed to tap into underserved, newer audience segments.

“It’s the natural transition for the subchannels as they get more mature,” said Michael Kokernak, whose company, Across Platforms, tracks the industry. “The people looking to the next generation of digital television are starting to figure out ways to put original content or newer content on the platform that is going to appeal to a [broader] demo.”

Broadcasters also simply don’t have many ways other than multicast networks to deliver their over-the-air offerings to more households – an important means for staying viable as audiences increasingly fragment.

“Stations can’t grow outside the DMAs they are in,” Kokernak said. “So the only way these large [station groups] can grow is to own these networks nationwide.”

Sinclair Broadcast Group president and CEO Chris Ripley cited that as one reason behind the group’s greater push into multicasting, which will include the launch of a millennials-focused network early this year.
“Our recent focus has been on expanding our business with new digital multicast networks that leverage our broadcast spectrum and household reach,” Ripley said. Sinclair launched its other multicast network, the sci-fi-oriented Comet, in 2015.

Sinclair’s plans call for populating the space with one of the most experimental networks, programming-wise, on the group’s digital subchannels. The network, called TBD, will target millennials by delivering premium internet content via over-the-air TV. It will feature the breadth of digital-first programming of particular interest to millennials, including web series, short films, comedy, music and viral content.

In December, MGM Television expanded its portfolio of diginets with the launch of Light TV, a multicast network devoted 24/7 to faith-based and family programming. Airing on the digital subchannels owned by Fox O&Os and affiliates, the network will feature the breadth of TV shows and movies deemed “wholesome,” ranging from Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?, Highway to Heaven and Heartland to Rocky, Hoosiers and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

“This is the last unclaimed vertical,” said Roma Downey, president of MGM’s LightWorkers Media. “This audience is looking for inspiring and uplifting programming that they can watch in a trusted and safe environment on any platform.”

Steve Schiffman, CEO of the two-year-old Justice Network, believes that while many diginets still grapple with finding their footholds, offering targeted programming packaged as verticals is key to their viability. “We took a page out of cable circa 1990 by focusing on a particular genre of entertainment, which is how cable formed as niche channels,” he said. “To focus on a vertical creates clarity on what we stand for and the programming we are offering.”

Schiffman and his partners, who include America’s Most Wanted’s John Walsh, executed that idea by filling Justice Network’s programming slate with content that focusses on crime and investigations.

They also elevated the concept by leveraging the platform to fulfill the mission it created in keeping with FCC’s call on broadcasters to use digital spectrum to promote public good, making communities safer. Justice Network, through partnerships with law enforcement agencies, on-air PSAs and locally focused informational campaigns, has helped return 61 missing children and nab 77 fugitives to date, Schiffman said.

New players in the field are also aggressively going beyond the linear TV delivery they are built on to garner followings, particularly among young viewers.

Buzzr, FremantleMedia North America’s homage to vintage game shows, in October launched a mobile game app, Buzzr Casino, that has tie-ins to the network’s on-air programming, which includes To Tell the Truth, Let’s Make a Deal and Match Game. In September, the network was the first American diginet to establish a presence on Canadian TV.

“We know the audience playing these games is a younger audience, so it gives us a chance to promote to that audience,” said FremantleMedia’s Ron Garfield, who heads Buzzr.

Looking for ways to nab viewers beyond linear TV is key at a time when a multitude of players are slugging it out for dominance in the space. “We need to be aggressive in our marketing, and really focus on building our brand and building our brand awareness and building the footprint that we currently have,” Garfield said.

Bounce TV is far ahead when it comes to pushing multiplatform delivery. In November, the network launched an SVOD service, Brown Sugar, offering “the biggest collection of the baddest movies” via mobile platforms and desktop.

Yet for emerging diginets, getting distribution remains a pretty big hurdle to achieving ultimate success. The networks that are backed by big broadcast groups—NBC’s Cozi TV and Tribune’s Antenna TV, for instance—have the benefit of getting carriage on their owners’ digital subchannels. The diginets without those ties have a tougher time negotiating distribution.

Another major impediment is that diginets don’t get the same sort of carriage on the country’s two largest satellite providers, Dish and DirecTV, as they do on cable TV due to the platforms’ restricted bandwidth. That means the networks never make it to roughly 35 million of the country’s pay-TV homes. “That’s a third of the industry,” Kokernak said. “You can’t become a major network in the U.S. without Dish or DirecTV.”

Yet diginet executives said they wouldn’t be in the business if they didn’t think it could work—and that they are not giving up on ideas like negotiating their own distribution deals, with satellite as well as cable companies, in the near future.
 
Not really into the Sub-channels other than sometimes watching Justice Network and WZZM On Target Weather Network with ACCUWeather National & Travel forecast that's about it. I used to watch TheCoolTV in all Music Channel but in summer of 2013 was taken off was just a loop of weather radar and audio from Weather Radio which later became Grit.

Grit, Me TV, This TV, Justice Network, WZZM On Target Weather Network, Laff, Escape, Cozi. Get TV, Anten, Bounce TV, PBS Subs Crate & News channel. Most of Subs are owned from Media General Laff Escape, Cozi, Get TV, Grit, Bounce TV, FOX17 Anten & This TV, WZZM, Justice Network & On Target Weather Network. Sinclair Comet TV not on Charter they do have The CW7 which is sub-channel.
 
I watch Antenna TV and Me-TV, and sometimes Buzzr more than I watch the others. There's others I sample from time-to-time--Bounce, Decades, This, H&I, Cozi, Movies!, and a few of the PBS diginets I get locally (mainly World and PBS SoCal Plus [KOCE-DT2]), but that's pretty much the extent of my subchannel viewing. The other subchannels here are either foreign, pay-for-pray, or wall-to-wall infomercials.

However, even despite the hours of local news produced here in L.A. (where there's a newscast airing at least every hour from 4am-midnight daily), it would be nice to an all-news channel--either via a subchannel or cable. KABC and KNBC each tried half-assed attempts at having "all-news" subchannels, and they both fell by the wayside due to a lack of factors, and KCBS was suppose to launch a "CBS Plus" service similar to WCBS and KYW had, but of course Decades came along and kill that.

KTVK here in Phoenix uses one of its subchannels for simulcast and replays of its news programming. I personally think it's a waste of bandwidth since I don't want to be watching some morning show segment at 2pm. I think the viewers agree--most of the "ads" on the channel are public service announcements. There are diginets that are not carried (or undercarried, as in on a low-power station) in town which should be taking its place.
 
The article above talks about the lack of carriage from the satellite companies. There will never be enough bandwidth to carry each "localized" version of these diginets. However, there is an easy fix. Most people who have Dish/DirecTV are not using their "antenna in" connector on their TV -- they could just hook an antenna to that, do a scan, and you have the subchannels (if you're in reach of the signal, that is). The satellite companies also sell add-on tuners for their receivers, but don't really advertise them.
 
The article above talks about the lack of carriage from the satellite companies. There will never be enough bandwidth to carry each "localized" version of these diginets. However, there is an easy fix. Most people who have Dish/DirecTV are not using their "antenna in" connector on their TV -- they could just hook an antenna to that, do a scan, and you have the subchannels (if you're in reach of the signal, that is). The satellite companies also sell add-on tuners for their receivers, but don't really advertise them.

All of this is true. I belong to few groups on Facebook about retro TV and every once in awhile there is someone who would say something different such as "..Hi my name is Susan and I live in Cleveland and I can get Antenna TV and MeTV and I do have Direct TV !!". Is this Susan telling the truth ?? Is Susan getting those channels through the stations themselves or through an adapter ?? Who knows !! I do though remember sometime ago that here in Denver many years ago we did get RTV on Direct TV but that channel has since switched to Jerry Springer reruns and Family Feud. Nothing "retro" there !!
 
But then you would have to know the name of the actor. What if you don't?

If you don't know the actor's name then use the name of the show or the character's name. IMDB will usually show actors/characters by episode and also an entire list for the show as a whole.
 
I'm a hockey fan, so I am frozen out without cable (to coin a phrase).

No you're not. Not only can you watch most NHL games but also a huge number of European club teams and some NCAA games as well. The recent IIHL U18 and U20 tournaments were also available.
 
No you're not. Not only can you watch most NHL games but also a huge number of European club teams and some NCAA games as well. The recent IIHL U18 and U20 tournaments were also available.

The NHL's online package, like Major League Baseball's, shuts you out of live home-market games. You can only watch them an hour or more after they're complete. To watch your home-market team play, you have to go the illegal route (which you say you do not do nor recommend) or fake a cable subscription so you can watch NBCSN's games online. But the latter is not exactly legal either.

So where are you finding this (presumably free) access to all these desirable sporting events without at least stretching the concept of legality, landtuna?
 
Legally? Didn't think so.

I don't think it's very smart to advocate doing something that's clearly against the law on a message board that you don't own. Some boards will immediately ban people who do that.

With a legal streaming device, and a good antenna, and a decently high data cap (or none at all, in some cases) I can watch most sports that cable viewers are able to watch.
 
yup
I have access to watch ESPN, Fox Sports Go, NBCSports Extra and BTN2Go via a relatives Dish login credentials ;)

Ah, so you're stealing. Still looking for that elusive completely free, totally on the up-and-up way of seeing all my favorite teams' games without buying a cable or satellite subscription.
 
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