What time is that show on????

[Prescott Joe]

It's that time of year when the vast majority of the country plays with
their clocks.....backward, forward, sideways, who knows???
While that doesn't affect most programmers and programming, it
certainly affects some of the diginets. So it should be interesting to
see which change and which do not............

 

[landtuna]

Hopefully the rest of the nation will join Hawaii, Arizona and the Hopi reservation that do not observe DST. DST has been a major PITA for business, especially in those areas that do not change time. TV listings on many services traditionally go berserk this time of year for a few weeks (at least for those of us who do not change time).

 

[CTListener]

Hopefully the rest of the nation will join Hawaii, Arizona and the Hopi reservation that do not observe DST. DST has been a major PITA for business, especially in those areas that do not change time. TV listings on many services traditionally go berserk this time of year for a few weeks (at least for those of us who do not change time).

Is agribusiness still backing DST? Every story I read about the stupid thing says farmers swear they need it for some reason, implying that lawmakers from agriculture-heavy states will fight any plan to eliminate it on the federal (or, of course, state) level.

Living here on the eastern edge of EST -- which should, logically, be part of the Atlantic Time zone that includes Canada's Maritimes -- we see little benefit from standard time, which gives us 4:20 p.m. sunsets in December. The overprotective soccer mom demo whines that their precious little ones shouldn't have to walk to school or the bus stop in the dark. Cry me a bleepin' river, snowflakes. IMO, year-round DST would be best for New England.

 

[KeithE4]

It's that time of year when the vast majority of the country plays with their clocks.....backward, forward, sideways, who knows??? While that doesn't affect most programmers and programming, it certainly affects some of the diginets. So it should be interesting to see which change and which do not............

If spring is the same as last fall was, Antenna TV will keep its shows at the same local time, thanks to KNXV delaying them to match the East Coast feed. They don't do that with LAFF, which tracked Eastern time directly.

I can't say anything about the other diginets, as I don't watch them as often.

 

[formeraa]

If spring is the same as last fall was, Antenna TV will keep its shows at the same local time, thanks to KNXV delaying them to match the East Coast feed. They don't do that with LAFF, which tracked Eastern time directly.

I can't say anything about the other diginets, as I don't watch them as often.

Some of the cable network shows end up being on an hour earlier because the cable system carries the West Coast feed. During standard time, the shows are actually an hour later than advertised. Then, during daylight saving time, they are on at the advertised time.

 

[KML0224]

I've even read about a proposal that would put Maine on ATLANTIC Standard Time year round, similar to what's done in Puerto Rico (an hour ahead from November to March). That would sure be a cruel way to isolate Maine from the rest of New England! Even with DST, the sunrise in Portland on June 21st is 4:59 AM. Even earlier in Bangor and Presque Isle.

No DST in Hawaii and Puerto Rico makes sense, since they've both got their tropical climates.

I understand that DST isn't observed in Saskatchewan either.

Getting back to TV, don't the Phoenix and Tucson TV stations simply take the Pacific feed of the major networks? What about the split time zone market of Yuma/El Centro?

 

[oldiesfan6479]

...it certainly affects some of the diginets. So it should be interesting to
see which change and which do not............

Cozi TV airs one hour earlier on both 5.2 Phoenix and 4.2 Tucson (example: Emergency! at 10:00 AM instead of 11:00 AM).

Me TV goes from a one-hour delay to a two-hour delay on 7.2 Phoenix (example: Gunsmoke stays at 12:00 PM). On 13.2 Tucson, it's now a three-hour instead of a two-hour delay (example: Gunsmoke stays at 1:00 PM). Why 13.2 is--and has been--an hour later than 7.2, I don't know.

Antenna TV (and KeithE4 figured correctly re Phoenix in his post) goes from a two-hour to a three-hour delay on 15.2 Phoenix (example: Joey Bishop stays at 1:00 PM). In Tucson, 9.3 takes the feed live, so it's now on one hour earlier (example: Joey Bishop at 10:00 AM instead of 11:00 AM).

 

[oldiesfan6479]

Some of the cable network shows end up being on an hour earlier because the cable system carries the West Coast feed. During standard time, the shows are actually an hour later than advertised. Then, during daylight saving time, they are on at the advertised time.

All cable shows, whether it's a national (one) feed, an east coast feed (not too likely from our cable company), or a west coast feed (the darling of Cox Cable), will be on one hour earlier during DST than they were on during the four-month winter season that just concluded.

 

[landtuna]

Getting back to TV, don't the Phoenix and Tucson TV stations simply take the Pacific feed of the major networks?

Arizona, except the Navajo Reservation, does not observe DST. Therefore we are two hours behind ET during winter and three behind during DST (and easier way of saying that AZ is MST during winter and PDT during summer).

The Navajo Reservation spans territory in AZ as well as NM so they do observe DST within the reservation borders. However, the Hopi Reservation, which is completely surrounded by the Navajo does not observe DST.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

...Getting back to TV, [why] don't the Phoenix and Tucson TV stations simply take the Pacific feed of the major networks?

OK, if you want to watch prime time from 8-11 instead of 7-10. And during the four month winter period, you'd have prime time from 9-midnight!

 

[landtuna]

OK, if you want to watch prime time from 8-11 instead of 7-10. And during the four month winter period, you'd have prime time from 9-midnight!

Prime Time in both Phoenix and Tucson have always been 7-10pm. The famous "film at 11" does not apply here.

 

[gr8oldies]

My wife grew up in Phoenix but I've never been there. My bouncing time zone TV experience was from Indiana before they started going on DST. It was common knowledge that in summer, prime time was 7-10pm and winter it was 8-11. That all changed in the mid-80s, when WTHR Indianapolis found out they could take NBC's Mountain Time feed in the summer and have it line up with an 8-11pm EST/CDT prime time schedule. The other stations bought tape delay equipment (or in the case of my employer at the time, WLFI, Lafayette) we manually did it with 3 one inch machines...what a pain. Indiana viewers saw all their network affiliate shows on a consistent clock schedule year round though...which was an hour later than Eastern and Central time zones. Terre Haute, South Bend and Fort Wayne followed suit (I was not expecting the border markets to give their Michigan and Ohio viewers a 9 to 12midnight prime time, but lo and behold. Cable networks bounced back and forth, of course. Beside tape delay, the biggest pain in the neck for TV station employees was the changing of all the satellite record times twice a year.

I don't think farmers have ever cared for DST; I pretty much thought they were always against it. Outdoor recreation is another story. If you run a mini-golf course or whitewater rafting attraction, the sun may be up at 4:30 or 5am but your customers aren't. They are at 8pm. We actually did try year round DST in 1974 and it was quickly abandoned. The only thing more depressing than an early winter sunset is darkness until 9am..and yes it is a big deal for school kids. There really isn't any daylight to save in December. You're going to play a round of golf after work until 6:15pm in the winter?

 

[landtuna]

My wife grew up in Phoenix but I've never been there. My bouncing time zone TV experience was from Indiana before they started going on DST.

Wasn't Indiana the state that had one little section which did not observe DST and the rest of the state did? Perhaps it was that part closest to KY or some such reason?

 

[CTListener]

Wasn't Indiana the state that had one little section which did not observe DST and the rest of the state did? Perhaps it was that part closest to KY or some such reason?

I think it was in the northeast, close to Ohio. I remember reading that folks in the nearby DST towns used to refer to the time that little section was on as "slow time."

 

[KeithE4]

I think it was in the northeast, close to Ohio. I remember reading that folks in the nearby DST towns used to refer to the time that little section was on as "slow time."

That was an Indiana thing. I've never heard it used anywhere else.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

Prime Time in both Phoenix and Tucson have always been 7-10pm. The famous "film at 11" does not apply here.

Yes, but this was a response to the poster who asked why we didn't just use the west coast feed for the OTA networks (because that would put prime time on in AZ from 8-11 during DST, and 9-midnight during standard time).

 

[oldiesfan6479]

Wasn't Indiana the state that had one little section which did not observe DST and the rest of the state did? Perhaps it was that part closest to KY or some such reason?

Prior to all of IN observing DST (in both time zones), it was the two Central zone areas--NW, near Chicago, and SW, near Evansville--that went on daylight-saving time. The rest of the state (which was in the Eastern zone) stayed on standard time.

Ah, but then there were those five illegal (or "undocumented," if you're the Arizona Repugnant) counties near Cincinnati and Louisville!

And I still don't know which time zone the town of Orson is in.

 

[gr8oldies]

Correct, NW Indiana near Chicago (south of Rensselaer was the cutoff) and the Evansville area were the Central Time counties, they sprung forward and fell back with the Central Time Zone. Counties close to Louisville and Cincinnati "informally" adopted EDT, though I believe state offices had to stay on standard time.

Prior to all of IN observing DST (in both time zones), it was the two Central zone areas--NW, near Chicago, and SW, near Evansville--that went on daylight-saving time. The rest of the state (which was in the Eastern zone) stayed on standard time.

Ah, but then there were those five illegal (or "undocumented," if you're the Arizona Repugnant) counties near Cincinnati and Louisville!

And I still don't know which time zone the town of Orson is in.

 

[KeithE4]

Prior to all of IN observing DST (in both time zones), it was the two Central zone areas--NW, near Chicago, and SW, near Evansville--that went on daylight-saving time. The rest of the state (which was in the Eastern zone) stayed on standard time.

Before that, up to the mid 1960s or so, the entire western third of the state was on Central time. The "fast time/slow time" thing was because some counties observed DST and some didn't. Of course, we know that some areas were on Slow Time because it took people in those towns an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes.

Ah, but then there were those five illegal (or "undocumented," if you're the Arizona Repugnant) counties near Cincinnati and Louisville!

They were well-documented, if not official.

And I still don't know which time zone the town of Orson is in.

At least per Google Maps, there is no Orson IN. Maybe it's a small settlement (as small, unincorporated Indiana towns are often called) with no post office of its own. I only see Orson IA (Central Time) and Orson PA (Eastern Time) when I do a search.

 

[CTListener]

Thanks for all the clarifications on Indiana Time. So, is the whole state on EST/EDT now, no exceptions?