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Kathy Griffin Fired from CNN

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Kind of annoying that Hannity is associating her with the "far left," as though anyone in any camp has defended her.

"The far left will stop at nothing to bring down this president." As though that could happen.
 
Anyone who has not yet listened or read the statement by one of her attorney's (Lisa Bloom) should do so before making any additional criticisms. In it, among many other items of information related to this whole situation, is the reason Griffin published her photo. She was parodying Trump's own misogynistic statement regarding "blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her whatever".

In any event, Griffin's parody is protected under the Constitution (which courts have upheld many times) and the Trump family, using government resources such as the Secret Service to intimidate her and ruin her career are clearly illegal.

I too, thought her parody was way outside the boundaries of comedy, good taste and I am not a Griffin fan BUT Trump needs to understand that if he chooses to throw crap at people he owns the result.
 
landtuna said:
... and ruin her career are clearly illegal.
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She had already done a pretty good job of ruining it well before the recent incident by virtue of not being particularly funny.
 
DavidEduardo said:


She had already done a pretty good job of ruining it well before the recent incident by virtue of not being particularly funny.
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It is very interesting that many, many people have begun their comments with a similar opinion. She is not funny so therefore it is OK for the sitting president of the USA to enlist his government resources to negatively affect her career.

As I said, I am not a Griffin fan either but this situation is way outside the boundaries of good behavior and the law. Trump needs to be held accountable for trying, personally, to ruin a citizen who has done nothing more than exercise her constitutional rights.

Would you feel the same way if Griffin was instead a radio personality?
 
landtuna said:
Trump needs to be held accountable for trying, personally, to ruin a citizen who has done nothing more than exercise her constitutional rights.
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What specifically has he done? He sent a scolding tweet. Oh boohoo! Come on! Since when is a scolding tweet preventing her from exercising her constitutional rights? If he sent the FBI after her, or had her taxes audited, that's different. But so far, he really hasn't done a thing.

He's done worse to Rosie O'Donnell, and it hasn't ruined her career.
 
landtuna said:
Would you feel the same way if Griffin was instead a radio personality?
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There are two issues here.

Appropriate for this forum is the matter of whether, were a "radio personality" to do something similar, my reaction would be the same.

This is where the Imus commentary about the black female sports team comes in as a comparison. The comment was repudiated by the station and network. Apparently, despite protests from "all over", following a firing, hiatus and apology, it was thought that Imus had enough appeal and talent to recover and he was allowed back on the air.

In the case of Griffin, she has been fired from most of her spokesperson gigs and told not to show up on December 31 for the New Year's gig with Anderson Smith, which nobody (per Nielsen) watched anyway.

The only difference here is that Imus had a regular gig while Griffin did "piece work" and had not been very busy.

For the future, look at the differences. Imus apolgized; IIRC he even went on with the Rev. Sharpton and did what seemed like a genuine or, at least sincere, apology. Griffin has blamed the offended party claiming that she has been buried and, in essence, that this is not her fault.

As a broadcaster, I'd be inclined to do as was done... give Imus a second chance. As to Griffin, her reaction paints her as a spiteful, misfiring loose cannon.

Griffin was not "broken" by anyone. She broke herself, and then tried to pass the blame to others.

The second issue is the political side of the argument, and it is important to the context (but not the content). However, that is not appropriate for this board.
 
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Griffin was not "broken" by anyone. She broke herself, and then tried to pass the blame to others.
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There's a lot of this going on. I find it ironic that Hannity is devoting a segment in his show tonight to this, while at the same time complaining that his own freedom of speech is being attacked. In my opinion, he and Griffin are basically doing the same thing.
 
It should be noted that the left didn't, by and large, rally to Kathy Griffin's side. This pity party maybe was supposed to help.

In any case I don't think she did "The Resistance" any favors for Hillary's third run.
 
TheBigA said:
What specifically has he done? He sent a scolding tweet. Oh boohoo! Come on! Since when is a scolding tweet preventing her from exercising her constitutional rights? If he sent the FBI after her, or had her taxes audited, that's different. But so far, he really hasn't done a thing.

He's done worse to Rosie O'Donnell, and it hasn't ruined her career.
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You obviously have not read Lisa Bloom's statement made at the news conference. According to her Trump sent out the Secret Service to intimidate her (and this was following her well publized apology - something Trump has never done). There are more indications that he personally contacted CNN and other orgs to campaign against her (again, following her public apology).

Read Blooms complete statement then we can talk.
 
DavidEduardo said:


There are two issues here.

Appropriate for this forum is the matter of whether, were a "radio personality" to do something similar, my reaction would be the same.

This is where the Imus commentary about the black female sports team comes in as a comparison. The comment was repudiated by the station and network. Apparently, despite protests from "all over", following a firing, hiatus and apology, it was thought that Imus had enough appeal and talent to recover and he was allowed back on the air.

In the case of Griffin, she has been fired from most of her spokesperson gigs and told not to show up on December 31 for the New Year's gig with Anderson Smith, which nobody (per Nielsen) watched anyway.

The only difference here is that Imus had a regular gig while Griffin did "piece work" and had not been very busy.

For the future, look at the differences. Imus apolgized; IIRC he even went on with the Rev. Sharpton and did what seemed like a genuine or, at least sincere, apology. Griffin has blamed the offended party claiming that she has been buried and, in essence, that this is not her fault.

As a broadcaster, I'd be inclined to do as was done... give Imus a second chance. As to Griffin, her reaction paints her as a spiteful, misfiring loose cannon.

Griffin was not "broken" by anyone. She broke herself, and then tried to pass the blame to others.

The second issue is the political side of the argument, and it is important to the context (but not the content). However, that is not appropriate for this board.
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So, what I am reading is that because Imus had a regular and popular gig he gets immunity from a sitting president (which is really the core issue here) but because Griffin is not so popular it is OK to try to ruin her career.

Nice double standard. And I assume you realize that it sets the stage for criminal intimidation and suppression BY A SITTING PRESIDENT in the future?
 
gr8oldies said:
It should be noted that the left didn't, by and large, rally to Kathy Griffin's side. This pity party maybe was supposed to help.

In any case I don't think she did "The Resistance" any favors for Hillary's third run.
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I thought the same as most of you when I first read about the "severed head" photo. It was, undeniably, in bad taste. But as Lisa Bloom articulated many other performers such as Ted Nugent have done similar things but received an invitation to the White House instead of conspiracy to invalidate a private citizen EXERCISING HER CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED SPEECH.

According to Lisa Bloom this was not a political statement but rather a parody in direct response to Trump's "bleeding" statement which was equally in bad taste. Apparently there is a monumental double standard here and one is clearly illegal and reflects upon every American citizen in a very poor way.
 
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