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CNN, Acknowleding Failure, Cuts Show's Length

Successful networks rarely make changes, historically the 3rd place cable channel is constantly making changes, see MSNBC's first 20 year of existence. CNN's morning show that Cuomo co hosted has struggled, even HLN at times has had higher ratings. CNN gave Cuomo a fairly large contract so that's likely why Zucker is moving him to primetime and not dropping him completely. A major reason CNN hired Jeff Zucker was to turn around CNN's morning show after his success at the the Today Show. If Zucker can't turn it around in short order his job has to be in jeopardy.
 
bobjim45 said:
If Zucker can't turn it around in short order his job has to be in jeopardy.
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If you study CNN's prime time lineup, they've been struggling since the days of Larry King Live. That show was replaced in 2011 by Piers Morgan (remember him?), and that was ultimately replaced by a second hour of Cooper in 2014. The Cooper show is best when it's live from a news site. It's at its worst when it's in the studio. As I've said before, too many talking heads with too many divergent opinions. Contrary to what you hear from the president, Cooper makes it a point to get opinions from both sides. But that's obviously not what the audience wants. So now they'll try Cuomo. They've used him a few times in that time-spot over the past few months, obviously as a trial. Now he's got the spot officially.
 
From what I have seen in his preview segments, Cuomo is more confrontational than Cooper. Apparently, this is what CNN wants heading into the mid-terms. CNN, as much as I agree with their general political slant, has become somewhat embarrassing in the last 6 months, IMO. They occasionally offer some balance, but have become a mouthpiece for the left. I would welcome the CNN of 5-10 years ago where atleast they offered a mostly unbiased opinion. This seems to have been lost. Don't get me wrong, I'm more left than right, but CNN has become somewhat too obvious to help my side. Back off, CNN, would be be my advice.
 
seatownmedia said:
I'm more left than right, but CNN has become somewhat too obvious to help my side. Back off, CNN, would be be my advice.
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They're all playing basically the same cards, in different ways. It really gets uncomfortable to watch sometimes.

But I agree...Anderson Cooper is too nice, too much of an old school journalist, too much of a Tom Brokaw style guy to compete in prime time against Tucker Carlson and Lawrence O'Donnell. Those two could play for the WWE. And they're each getting very similar numbers, with CNN lagging. Nice doesn't work today.
 
TheBigA said:
They're all playing basically the same cards, in different ways. It really gets uncomfortable to watch sometimes.

But I agree...Anderson Cooper is too nice, too much of an old school journalist, too much of a Tom Brokaw style guy to compete in prime time against Tucker Carlson and Lawrence O'Donnell. Those two could play for the WWE. And they're each getting very similar numbers, with CNN lagging. Nice doesn't work today.
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So basically CNN needs to make stuff up to get viewers.
 
Don CT said:
So basically CNN needs to make stuff up to get viewers.
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I don't think the content is the issue. I think it's the presentation.

My opinion is no one cares if it's true or not. That's not the driving force. But being confrontational drives ratings.
 
TheBigA said:
I don't think the content is the issue. I think it's the presentation.

My opinion is no one cares if it's true or not. That's not the driving force. But being confrontational drives ratings.
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Fox News isn't on top because of their confrontational hosts, it's because the viewers like the narrative they present. It doesn't have to be true or accurate as long as it is what they agree with. CNN plays it as a journalist, with facts and debate. MSNBC wants to be the left version of Fox News but still keep some credibility. Fox News just wants to make their viewers happy and report what they want to hear even it is blatantly false.
 
TheBigA said:
And they basically have an exclusive on that narrative.
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And it's a sad state of affairs when that is where people get their news. This is how fake news grows. You present a lie as true and the longer you perpetrate that lie it becomes truth. This is how Fox News operates, say the other guys are lying long enough and people will begin to believe it.
 
MSNBC and Fox are the same in which its talk show hosts omits facts to fit there viewpoint, but one way MSNBC is different from Fox is that MSNBC rarely has guest on there programs with a differing view, this is were CNN fits in, they want the shoutfest. It remains to be seen if this new show improves CNN ratings, when Cuomo filled-in he had about the same ratings as a Cooper. Might see an increase now that Chris is at 9 permanently.

I do think CNN being all Trump all the time is hurting its ratings, people get burn out seeing the same thing over and over.
 
bobjim45 said:
I do think CNN being all Trump all the time is hurting its ratings, people get burn out seeing the same thing over and over.
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I agree, and I think even Fox has recognized that, which is why they jump on non-political stories like the Miami bridge story when they can. If you look at talk radio, the national shows that focus strictly on promoting Republicans are losing audience to the local talkers who focus on other subjects. There are lots of interesting things to talk about that besides the president. I agree that people are getting burned out on national politics. As I've said, the CNN approach with 6 panelists from different points of view arguing is tiresome.

One thing Zucker has done at CNN is pre-empt the non-stop politics with occasional documentaries like The Sixties. When that series premiered, it was a big hit. So they've started to do more of that.
 
Fox's Entertainment hosts are shilling for Trump non-stop, and sounding like they're trying to get President Hillary Clinton impeached. If there's one thing I'd do on Fox, I'd get an actual news person, rather than the entertainment hosts, to handle all "Fox News Alerts"
 
gr8oldies said:
Fox's Entertainment hosts are shilling for Trump non-stop, and sounding like they're trying to get President Hillary Clinton impeached. If there's one thing I'd do on Fox, I'd get an actual news person, rather than the entertainment hosts, to handle all "Fox News Alerts"
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One thing I give them credit for is resisting the temptation to fire Sheppard Smith or Britt Hume or Juan Williams.
 
Like Macaulay Culkin, Anderson Cooper is one of those middle-aged adults who has retained a child-like face...which has aged very badly. There's something Muppet-like about him (both of them, actually, but Culkin isn't the focus here; unless CNN ultimately decides to give him a show).
 
TheBigA said:
One thing I give them credit for is resisting the temptation to fire Sheppard Smith or Britt Hume or Juan Williams.
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Sheppard is the token voice of reason on Fox, they can claim to be fair and balanced as long as they keep him around.
 
the title of this thread is so "clickbaity". and plus source is Fox News, which is known to kinda be "Politically bias" to a certain party, which has complete power now in DC, and well, maybe the thread show have it's title changed and source material from a source that can be "trusted".
 
Will_H_69_9 said:
the title of this thread is so "clickbaity". and plus source is Fox News, which is known to kinda be "Politically bias" to a certain party, which has complete power now in DC, and well, maybe the thread show have it's title changed and source material from a source that can be "trusted".
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Let's look at the facts:

CNN is losing badly to MSNBC and Fox.

Anderson Cooper's show was reduced in length.

Anderson Cooper's show was under-performing the CNN prime average.

So the headline, while a bit sensationalized by the use of the word "failure", is truthful and not politically biased. In fact, the reference is to ratings, not politics.

And yet another article about CNN's low ratings is not clickbait. That's about as boring and repetitive a subject as saying "It rained in Miami today".
 
The truth is that for most of his time at CNN, Cooper's show was an hour. For a time, they repeated his hour later at night. Then when Piers Morgan needed to be replaced, they decided to do the cheap and easy thing by filling the time with a second live hour of Cooper. To say it's failing ignores the fact that the rest of the night is getting about the same numbers. Cooper is doing average considering it's CNN. Cuomo is a smart and articulate guy. He deserves to be seen at night. Hopefully they won't force the same multi-guest panel on him that's killing Cooper and Lemon.
 
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