New American Idol. Thoughts?

[landtuna]

I'd suggest Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood are significant.

Underwood, yes. Clarkson.....who?

I seem to recall quite a few picking Elvis songs over the years.

My point, of course, is by selecting a very successful original artist's song they look less talented by comparison.

Personally I don't see the role of Idol as making anyone a star. It's about making an entertaining TV show. What happens after is up to that artist and their record label.

The whole meaning of "Idol" suggests star making potential. In that arena it falls terribly short.

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[TheBigA]

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My point, of course, is by selecting a very successful original artist's song they look less talented by comparison.

That's the format of the show. The reason they do that is because it's a TV show, and a whole hour of unfamiliar music by unknowns would be bad TV. Some singers won't do the show for that reason. But getting a showcase in front of 14 million people is a hard thing to turn down.

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The whole meaning of "Idol" suggests star making potential. In that arena it falls terribly short.

It depends on what you're using to make that assessment. Certainly any show that can attract 14 million viewers has the potential to create stars. What happens AFTER the show shouldn't be blamed on the show.

 

[landtuna]

That's the format of the show. The reason they do that is because it's a TV show, and a whole hour of unfamiliar music by unknowns would be bad TV. Some singers won't do the show for that reason. But getting a showcase in front of 15 million people is a hard thing to turn down.

I remember the old days when the amateurs would perform the songs that fit their talent instead of being compared against a professional. Today's audience might prefer today's presentation - all I'm saying is it seems very unfair if the idea is to uncover new and promising talent.

It depends on what you're using to make that assessment. Certainly any show that can attract 14 million viewers has the potential to create stars. What happens AFTER the show shouldn't be blamed on the show.

I will admit that it was my personal expectation. Think of the additional audience it would draw should more of those amateurs become headliners. Now, for the vast majority, it is one and done and I can't say that "one" is all that entertaining. 14M people is just over 3% of the current USA population. Not exactly Super Bowl territory. It does add to the theory that video killed the radio star though.

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[TheBigA]

I remember the old days when the amateurs would perform the songs that fit their talent instead of being compared against a professional. Today's audience might prefer today's presentation - all I'm saying is it seems very unfair if the idea is to uncover new and promising talent.

No one's forcing them to enter. They can do it the old way too.

But they have some latitude in picking songs that fit their talent, and often the judges will use that as a reason to vote for them or against them.

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

Underwood, yes. Clarkson.....who?

That alone demonstrates you have little understanding and are ill-suited to opine on a show not meant for your demographic.

 

[Don CT]

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Idol has produced at least 6 actual stars. Not all of them won American Idol but it did help their careers.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/american-idol-monday-ratings-1202731231/

Here is an update on American Idol

“American Idol” was down slightly in the Nielsen overnight numbers from last Monday, but ABC’s new version of the singing competition series still managed to retain most of its audience from last week.

Airing from 8-10 p.m., ABC’s “American Idol” averaged a 1.6 rating in adults 18-49 and 7.7 million viewers. That is down approximately 11% in the demo and 8% in total viewers from last week, pending updates. “American Idol” also grew in each half hour of its two-hour broadcast on Monday. Later on ABC, a new episode of “The Good Doctor” (1.6, 9.1 million) was down by about the same percentages as “American Idol” from last week.

On NBC, “The Voice” held onto its comfortable lead over “American Idol,” averaging a 2.3 and 10.7 million viewers for the night, making it the top-rated and most-watched show of the night. Later on NBC, “Good Girls” (1.0, 4.3 million) was even.

 

[landtuna]

That alone demonstrates you have little understanding and are ill-suited to opine on a show not meant for your demographic.

Kelly Clarkson came out of my back yard and is publicized endlessly here. Nevertheless, she remains a blip in the music bidness.

 

[landtuna]

Idol has produced at least 6 actual stars. Not all of them won American Idol but it did help their careers.

I'm sure any person who can warble is helped to some degree by the exposure. That is not the subject. We are talking about star-making and to date the only surviving one has been Carrie Underwood. If you disagree then name the other 5.

 

[TheBigA]

Kelly Clarkson came out of my back yard and is publicized endlessly here. Nevertheless, she remains a blip in the music bidness.

Just want to point this out:

"Clarkson has sold over 25 million albums and 36 million singles worldwide, making her the best-selling American Idol contestant to date."

That's quite a big blip.

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

Just want to point this out:

"Clarkson has sold over 25 million albums and 36 million singles worldwide, making her the best-selling American Idol contestant to date."

That's quite a big blip.

And to build on that, she has had successful concert tours, has remained relevant for years now and has a sizable fan base--and awareness outside said fan base. Whether one cares for her or her music, or not, she is a star in the music business.

 

[umfan]

Kelly is amazing. The original Idol did find and develop talent. Not sure the new show will have that kind of success.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

Just want to point this out:

"Clarkson has sold over 25 million albums and 36 million singles worldwide, making her the best-selling American Idol contestant to date."

That's quite a big blip.

and the owners of The Voice have been doing promos on NBC over Kelly Clarkson's role on that show.

 

[landtuna]

Just want to point this out:

"Clarkson has sold over 25 million albums and 36 million singles worldwide, making her the best-selling American Idol contestant to date."

That's quite a big blip.

And then there is this:

"Carrie Underwood leads the way in album sales for ‘American Idol’ contestants.

Carrie Underwood is sitting at the top of the list for “American Idol” contestants who have sold the most albums in the United States according to Forbes. Underwood is closing in on the 15 million albums sales mark in the United States which put her in the number one position on the list.

Underwood’s closest competition on the list is “American Idol” season one winner Kelly Clarkson who landed in the second spot in a tight race between the two. Clarkson sold 13 and a half million albums since her singing career was launched as the first winner on “American Idol” and Clarkson can also celebrate selling 30 million singles."

So what is one to believe? Worldwide vs USA? Since Idol is a USA show I had stated her USA sales only. I have no idea how many non-Americans watch the show and are exposed to Clarkson.

 

[TheBigA]

So what is one to believe? Worldwide vs USA? Since Idol is a USA show I had stated her USA sales only. I have no idea how many non-Americans watch the show and are exposed to Clarkson.

I think what we're saying is the show has introduced more than just one successful artist.

But even if it was just one artist, that's one more huge artist who wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for Idol.

 

[landtuna]

I think what we're saying is the show has introduced more than just one successful artist. I never said they were not "successful". I said there was only one "star". Burl Ives was successful but he wasn't a star (unless you liked folk music for kids).

But even if it was just one artist, that's one more huge artist who wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for Idol. Unless, in your words, she did it the old fashioned way.

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[TheBigA]

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I never said they were not "successful". I said there was only one "star".

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Depends on your definition of "star." Clarkson is a star to millions...just not to you.

We haven't even mentioned Jennifer Hudson, who didn't actually win the show, but went on to star on Broadway and won a Grammy and an Academy Award. I'd call her a star.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Hudson

 

[vchimpanzee]

Kelly Clarkson came out of my back yard and is publicized endlessly here. Nevertheless, she remains a blip in the music bidness.

Kellie Pickler was in my back yard.

I don't like Katy's new hair. She had a great hairstyle when she was doing her early videos.

I have a cousin who has tried out but she might be too old if there's an age limit. She is too talented to have been one of those they showed because they were too untalented.

 

[vchimpanzee]

Depends on your definition of "star." Clarkson is a star to millions...just not to you.

I personally can't stand her music.

Carrie is another matter. Some of her early stuff is okay. Some songs I thought I didn't like sounded better after they ended up on a classic country station.

 

[landtuna]

Depends on your definition of "star." Clarkson is a star to millions...just not to you. Rappers are "stars" to somebody. The majority of people can't stand them.

We haven't even mentioned Jennifer Hudson, who didn't actually win the show, but went on to star on Broadway and won a Grammy and an Academy Award. I'd call her a star. I'm pretty sure someone who finishes in 7th place on Idol would not claim to have her career started by them. She could just as well have been sitting in a drug store.

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