Now that The Chew has met it's demise and it's time slot being moved to expand Good Morning America to three hours, I for one think that network daytime television is going the way of the dinosaur. Network daytime television was so great back in the 1970's and 1980's filled with game shows and soaps. As much as I so badly want network daytime game shows back (I wish I had graduated from high school before 1989) I know out of all likely hood that it along with soaps will never return to the way they were ever let alone in my lifetime, because the affiliates want every daytime timeslot possible for things like syndicated offerings, and expanded newscasts. I for one think that both Days Of Our Lives and General Hospital are not going to be around in five years, but I do think that all of CBS's daytime shows are all going to be around beyond the next five the weakest being The Talk. I sure as heck hope that when Days is cancelled, NBC does not take that timeslot to expand the Today show to a fifth hour, that would just be too much, it's even too much at four hours not to mention two of them with that blowhard Hoda Kotb. What do you all think, is there a way network daytime television be saved?
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The future of network daytime television.
- Thread starter edward1978
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I don't know the exact time frame, but I think CBS is in the best shape and I think that The Price is Right and The Young and the Restless will still be around for some time to come. I think that if any other show is replaced on CBS (or ABC or NBC for that matter) it will be with another news or talk show, or the time will be turned back to the local stations.
If more time is turned back to local stations my wishful thinking would be more syndicated game shows, and any talk shows would lean toward the Kelly and Ryan type, and not toward trash talk, and absolutely NO courtroom shows or infomercials. Some Big 3 Network stations could probably do that and come close to that during local time even now.
But then some stations could possibly go to more local news during the daytime.
I hate to say it , but Fox, CW, and independent stations could go even worse to trash talk, courtroom shows, and infomercials.
Here's another thought though. WBBJ in Jackson, TN uses Me TV for filler during the local times when they aren't carrying CBS programming on 7.3. Although I'm still very irritated with them for not carrying Me TV on a full time subchannel, perhaps this would be an idea for filling daytime programming with simulcasts of the subchannels that a station already has.
If more time is turned back to local stations my wishful thinking would be more syndicated game shows, and any talk shows would lean toward the Kelly and Ryan type, and not toward trash talk, and absolutely NO courtroom shows or infomercials. Some Big 3 Network stations could probably do that and come close to that during local time even now.
But then some stations could possibly go to more local news during the daytime.
I hate to say it , but Fox, CW, and independent stations could go even worse to trash talk, courtroom shows, and infomercials.
Here's another thought though. WBBJ in Jackson, TN uses Me TV for filler during the local times when they aren't carrying CBS programming on 7.3. Although I'm still very irritated with them for not carrying Me TV on a full time subchannel, perhaps this would be an idea for filling daytime programming with simulcasts of the subchannels that a station already has.
I fear it is going to be more repeated news that you have seen before. My Jackson, Miss., market repeats (generally) the same news you see at 5 p.m. again at 6 p.m. The 10 p.m. is not much different unless it is a new shooting somewhere in the city. I can't see small markets expanding their news coverage. And paid ads are the worst.
TV in general, sports aside, is rapidly becoming a non-entity. Even Live! With Kelly and Ryan has become virtually identical to the old show with Regis - "so what did you do over the weekend?". Talk shows with groups of machine gun mouthed women going at it is as enjoyable as a trip to the dentist. The endless news shows with redundant content are mind numbing. Even the commercials are the same from day to day.
You've got to be pretty damned lonely and desperate to watch daytime network TV these days. It is only enjoyable if you are very young and haven't seen all those old shows now being shown again. But like my 29-year old daughter says "Dad, all those actors are dead now."
You've got to be pretty damned lonely and desperate to watch daytime network TV these days. It is only enjoyable if you are very young and haven't seen all those old shows now being shown again. But like my 29-year old daughter says "Dad, all those actors are dead now."
A couple of things may be going on here...first, the network morning shows are all about "brands". We certainly see this with NBC, though many are guessing that Megyn will move back an hour, and Kathy Lee will move up, but I digress. The point is ABC is getting on the bandwagon here. Will CBS follow? I hope not, they are the only watchable morning news network, IMO.
TPIR is solid. The only other network game show is LMAD. also on CBS. Don't know how that will turn out at the end of the day.
I'm not an expert on daytime soaps, but as I understand it, there are only a couple that really get ratings.
So what is left? Syndicated programming. And this is an on-going roulette wheel. Very few shows last very long during daytime. The best ones are bought up for evening access.
Local news is indeed a good filler. My question is how often can you repeat news programming from the morning show, or the previous night until it becomes totally redundant. In the biggest markets, you can capture breaking news, (and that does indeed work), but in smaller to medium markets it is just repetitive story after another, hoping to capture new viewers...which is a gamble.
In the late 60's and early 70's many local stations ran a movie during daytime. (usually afternoons). Perhaps this might become a trend again? I'm not hopeful. Because "who is the real father?" garners more ratings! My Gawd Maury, are you proud of that show you do?
TPIR is solid. The only other network game show is LMAD. also on CBS. Don't know how that will turn out at the end of the day.
I'm not an expert on daytime soaps, but as I understand it, there are only a couple that really get ratings.
So what is left? Syndicated programming. And this is an on-going roulette wheel. Very few shows last very long during daytime. The best ones are bought up for evening access.
Local news is indeed a good filler. My question is how often can you repeat news programming from the morning show, or the previous night until it becomes totally redundant. In the biggest markets, you can capture breaking news, (and that does indeed work), but in smaller to medium markets it is just repetitive story after another, hoping to capture new viewers...which is a gamble.
In the late 60's and early 70's many local stations ran a movie during daytime. (usually afternoons). Perhaps this might become a trend again? I'm not hopeful. Because "who is the real father?" garners more ratings! My Gawd Maury, are you proud of that show you do?
That was before all the movie channels. If you notice, the networks have significantly cut back on their movie nights in prime time for this reason. Why try to compete against HBO or an on-demand service? No point in trying.
How often can you repeat stories? From what I can see, every half hour. Just as radio TSL is dropping, so it is on TV. Especially in daytime. People have lots of things to do during the day. The days of stay-at-home moms are over. Fewer people at home during the day. All that's left are retired and shut-ins.
That is a decent point. I, as a media watcher tend to look at things differently than an average viewer. I accept that. And my "afternoon movie" was just a historical example I agree, we can't go back to something that existed 40 years ago. But I threw it in as perspective, and as I said, I don't believe it will happen again.
The future of daytime TV is unknown. The networks may be on the verge of opening up more and more to independent programming, but perhaps at a cost.
It would have been nice for ABC to air a daytime Pyramid and a daytime Match Game at 12-1 PT to replace 'The Chew,' knowing they've had BIG success with the Sunday Fun & Games block. The top prize for Pyramid could be $25,000 instead of $100K. And I'm sure Michael Strahan and Alec Baldwin would be OK with doing that.
But the big suits decided hour 3 of GMA would be cheap enough for the noon-1PM block. How long before that gets cancelled, and ABC tries something different ala above?
But the big suits decided hour 3 of GMA would be cheap enough for the noon-1PM block. How long before that gets cancelled, and ABC tries something different ala above?
Further back than the 1960's. Movies in the daytime were a staple of early TV from the dawn of the TV era. Growing up in LA in the 1960's, I recall "The Early Show" on KNXT (now KCBS-TV), at 3:00 PM, and the 6 O'clock Movie on KABC because it was counter-programming KNXT and KNBC, which ran news at 6:00. KHJ-TV 9 (indy) probably ran 2 or 3 movies during daytime, and IIRC, KTTV 11 had a noon-movie hosted by Ben Hunter, who did little feature bits at commercial breaks. Remember that in the 60's, the movie libraries only contained films from the 50's and earlier, so they met the broadcast standards of the time - almost no sexual content, no foul language, etc.
But now it would never work. First, broadcast TV has to hack modern movies to bits for content, or run afoul of the FCC; not to mention further editing for time. A typical 2 hour theatrical film would need a 3 hour time slot to be run in its entirety.
Some basic cable nets like FX run theatrical films in prime-time, but basic-cable doesn't have the same FCC content restrictions as broadcast TV, and I'm sure they are still edited to fit a 2 hour time slot, with commercials.
If I want to see a film, even in the daytime; I want to see it like it was originally produced for the theater, without commercials; so I'll either stream it, rent it, or watch it on premium cable.
So...daytime movies. Lousy idea, IMO - and not gonna happen.
No, daytime movies may never come back. Not even with Art Fern. Seriously, though, "The Chew" is going bye-bye? Now what am I supposed to hatewatch at lunch?
I've wondered that as well. And even though The Chew was canceled I still think a good cooking show could make it. Perhaps the third hour of GMA could do some of this. But PLEASE no more of the garbage like Springer, Maury, etc.!!!
I still haven't forgiven Procter & Gamble and CBS for cancelling "As the World Turns", and "The Guiding Light".
I wonder about that as well but then again home improvement or design shows are now coming out on YouTube and other apps though. But I don't know how the home improvement shows would work for daytime tv though. I will have to say the only thing working for daytime tv for now is infomercials in some areas, plus some syndicated talk shows and that's what's making the money on ota tv for now.
Unemployed and retired though and I see your point.
Most modern movies that are popular are licensed to the cable channels. All that would be left are older movies that are in the public domain, and few people would want to see. And like LKeller said any newer movie would be hacked to death for content or time. The major networks hardly ever show movies even in prime time now. But I personally would like to see the networks use movies to possibly fill non-sports time on weekends and keep local stations from filling the time with infomercials.
But wait Litton Studios currently has the weekend daytime lineup and they are filling the non sports time with E/I content on the weekends. However Littons shows are sometimes being pre-empted for Network sports events or Local breaking news in some cases.
http://www.litton.tv/television/
I doubt at this point Networks will air movies at this point given that people can just go to Youtube for an open domain movie or Netflix,or Hulu or Crackle and find a movie there. Also you have Pluto TV and Filmon has taken their place for that.
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