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The Programming Disputes Thread

Great, another dispute for Spectrum. I have now officially dumped them for good, so I don't have to deal with long disputes and lies anymore. (We've had enough of the sub-$200 bill!) I can get everything I really want OTA and best of all, FREEEEE!
 
Looks like DIsh is at it again.....this time with Quincy Broadcasting
from KTTC website (NBC in Rochester, MN)

Attention DISH Customers

Periodically local TV stations and multi-channel video programming providers (i.e., cable, phone and satellite companies), extend or reach new agreements that allow for the programming providers to continue to carry the local TV stations. Our station’s agreement with DISH expires at 6 PM CT on Aug. 22, and we have yet to reach a new agreement.

KTTC has successfully completed new agreements with every other programming provider.

We are hoping that a new agreement will be reached on time, but if we are unable to reach a new agreement, then you will no longer be able to watch KTTC NBC on DISH.

sad thing is Dish just got done with a pissing match with SagamoreHill. One of the stations Sagamore owns (KXLT FOX Rochester) KTTC runs for them
 
basically same wording on their flagship WGEM

Periodically local TV stations and multi-channel video programming providers (i.e., cable, phone and satellite companies), extend or reach new agreements that allow for the programming providers to continue to carry the local TV stations. Our station’s agreement with DISH expires at 6 PM CT on Aug. 22, and we have yet to reach a new agreement.

WGEM has successfully completed new agreements with every other programming provider.

We are hoping that a new agreement will be reached on time, but if we are unable to reach a new agreement, then you will no longer be able to watch WGEM NBC or Fox on DISH.
 
worst spot will be Duluth, MN as Quincy owns NBC, CBS, CW and MY affiliates...all of which are on Dish
Funny (or sad however you look at it).....KDLH CW just returned to Dish because Dish had a spat with SagamoreHill...now Quincy reacquired KDLH (due to it falling to #5 in the standings) and now they may lose it...again

Periodically local TV stations and multi-channel video programming providers (i.e., cable, phone and satellite companies), extend or reach new agreements that allow for the programming providers to continue to carry the local TV stations. Our station’s agreement with DISH expires at 6 PM CT on Aug. 22, and we have yet to reach a new agreement.

KBJR has successfully completed new agreements with every other programming provider.

We are hoping that a new agreement will be reached on time, but if we are unable to reach a new agreement, then you will no longer be able to watch KBJR NBC, CBS 3 Duluth or MyNetwork on DISH
 
The worst with Dish had to be Traverse City-Cadillac in 2015. At one point, that market had PBS only on Dish (and this is a market where sizable portions are white areas OTA)
 
extention granted until Friday

Periodically local TV stations and multi-channel video programming providers (i.e., cable, phone and satellite companies), extend or reach new agreements that allow for the programming providers to continue to carry the local TV stations. Our station’s agreement with DISH was set to expire at 6:00 PM CT on August 22nd, but KBJR has granted an extension of our DISH agreement until August 24th at 8:00 PM.
 
update..now its the 29th

8/24/18

Periodically local TV stations and multi-channel video programming providers (i.e., cable, phone and satellite companies), extend or reach new agreements that allow for the programming providers to continue to carry the local TV stations. Our station’s agreement with DISH expires at 6:00 PM CT on August 29th, and we have yet to reach a new agreement.

KBJR has successfully completed new agreements with every other programming provider.

We are hoping that a new agreement will be reached on time, but if we are unable to reach a new agreement, then you will no longer be able to watch KBJR NBC, CBS 3 Duluth or MyNetwork on DISH.
 
Quincy stations gone from Dish. From KBJR
8/29/18

KBJR NBC was dropped from DISH Network at 6:00 PM on Wednesday, August 29th.

KBJR has been working on a new agreement with DISH for the past several months. We offered DISH five extensions to provide more time to complete a new agreement, but unfortunately, we could not agree to the demands DISH was requiring for a new agreement.

KBJR has successfully reached new agreements with every other multi-channel video programming service that carries our station. In all other cases, we feel we reached fair and reasonable agreements, agreements that reflect the current marketplace, and not one of those negotiations resulted in our station being dropped from the service.

DISH has a long track record of disputes and blackouts with broadcasters, including a current national dispute with Univision as well as other local stations, so what is happening with KBJR is not unusual.

Viewers can express their concerns on this matter by calling DISH at 800-333-3474.

KBJR NBC continues to be available over the air, along with CBS (6.2), MyNetwork TV (6.3) and KDLH CW (3.1) and is available on Charter Spectrum, DirecTV, Paul Bunyan, and Mediacom and 7 other multi-channel video programming services in the Duluth-Superior area.

The following is a list of other KBJR program providers:

Charter
DirecTV
Hulu
Lake County DBA Lake Connections
Mediacom
Midcontinent Cable Co.
Norvado, Inc.
Packerland Broadband
Paul Bunyan Rural Tele Coop
Savage Communications, Inc.
Tekstar Cablevision, Inc.

They then link to every local station that dish has blacked out since 2010
http://www.kbjr6.com/story/38938980/dish-blackouts-since-2010
 
It must have taken a lot of work to put together that list! Are there ANY markets that have managed to escape a blackout?

It also appears that the Univision blackout ALSO applies to non-O&O stations (such as Seattle, which is Sinclair-owned)
 
Don't forget the Dish vs. Fisher fiasco of 2009. Stations like KOMO, KIMA and KATU were pulled off Dish for over 6 months.
 
well its been a week

9/6/18

It has been just over a week since KBJR was dropped from DISH, and unfortunately DISH has not changed their position on a new agreement.

DISH is indicating one thing to us in their proposals but is telling a far different story to their customers. They publicly state that they're willing to accept rates that other pay TV providers are paying to our company, yet at the same time, they continue to offer us terms, including rates, that are way below the marketplace.

KBJR is asking for fair and reasonable terms and compensation from DISH. We are attempting to negotiate with DISH in the same manner we did with every other program provider. And we successfully concluded fair agreements with everyone else, without delays or disputes.

We have been attempting to reach a fair new agreement with DISH for the past several months. Our original contract end date is way past. We offered multiple extensions to provide more time to complete a new agreement, but DISH has steadfastly refused to make a fair deal.

DISH claims that KBJR is using “hostile negotiating tactics.” Like other statements being made by DISH, that is just not true! KBJR is owned by Quincy Media, a small, family owned company, that has been in business since 1926, with roots in the newspaper business that go back even further. Our objective is to be fair, reasonable and consistent in how we approach negotiations. Since TV stations were granted the right to negotiate for fair compensation by federal law in 1992, our company has been in a dispute for a total of just 15 hours over that 26-year period of time. Any objective observer of the process that we had to go through with DISH would describe our approach as fair and reasonable and DISH’s approach as “hostile.”

Please call DISH at 800-333-3474 and let them know you want this dispute resolved and KBJR back on their system.
 
The Folks in Duluth, MN get hosed. 5 out of 9 stations gone

CBS, NBC & My (Quincy)
CW (SagamoreHill...supposedly they agreed but Quincy bought back KDLH...long story)
KCWV (AMGTV affiliate...owned by Flinn Broadcasting of Memphis)

So Duluth locals still on Dish
WDSE 8 PBS
WDIO 10 ABC
WDIO-DT2 13 MeTV (yes Dish carries the MeTV subchannel. They carry Minnesota High School tournament games from sister station KSTC in Minneapolis)
KQDS 21 FOX
 
DISH claims that KBJR is using “hostile negotiating tactics.”

In most cases I'd say Dish is the one using hostile negotiating tactics otherwise they wouldn't be in so many disputes.
 
anotherguy said:
DISH claims that KBJR is using “hostile negotiating tactics.”
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Dish says that about EVERY local dispute.

In most cases I'd say Dish is the one using hostile negotiating tactics otherwise they wouldn't be in so many disputes.
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bingo! They always say "we're looking out for you" but all they (Dish) are looking out for is their pocketbooks. They raise rates every year just like other providers.
 
unclehonkey said:
The Folks in Duluth, MN get hosed. 5 out of 9 stations gone

CBS, NBC & My (Quincy)
CW (SagamoreHill...supposedly they agreed but Quincy bought back KDLH...long story)
KCWV (AMGTV affiliate...owned by Flinn Broadcasting of Memphis)

So Duluth locals still on Dish
WDSE 8 PBS
WDIO 10 ABC
WDIO-DT2 13 MeTV (yes Dish carries the MeTV subchannel. They carry Minnesota High School tournament games from sister station KSTC in Minneapolis)
KQDS 21 FOX
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At one point in 2015, the Traverse City-Cadillac market was really hosed and only had PBS on Dish. There are sizable parts of this market with no OTA TV at all
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lair-in-the-local-tv-giant-s-battle-with-hulu

Now theres a dispute over Hulu, Sinclair and CBS over a deal

Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc., the largest owner of local TV stations in the U.S., just lost a bargaining chip in its negotiations with streaming service Hulu LLC.

Sinclair had refused to let Hulu offer live CBS programming in two dozen markets across the U.S. unless the online TV platform also agreed to carry another Sinclair property, the Tennis Channel. But Hulu instead reached a deal with CBS Corp. to offer a national feed of the network in the markets where Sinclair operates a local affiliate.

The workaround will let Hulu customers in cities such as Cincinnati and Salt Lake City watch CBS in time for the fall TV season, when the network airs new episodes of popular shows “The Big Bang Theory” and “Young Sheldon.” The national feed features 14 1/2 hours of programming that normally air on CBS, including prime-time entertainment, nightly news and daytime talk shows. CBS will fill what would normally be local-affiliate time -- 9 1/2 hours -- with CBSN, the company’s digital news network.

The skirmish reflects the tensions and complexities of an era where TV viewership is shifting online. Hulu created a live TV service to offer consumers a cheaper alternative to traditional cable or satellite packages, but it still needs the consent of local TV stations to carry their programming.

Blanketing Country
“The goal is to provide our network to 100 percent of the country,” Ray Hopkins, CBS’s head of distribution, said in an interview.

Hopkins said CBS has given Hulu and Sinclair a year and a half to work out their disagreement, and could wait no longer. The fall TV season begins in the coming weeks, and the college football season, which provides some of the most-watched events on CBS, started a couple weeks ago.

Sinclair can opt in to the live TV service at any time. The Hunt Valley, Maryland-based company declined to comment on the dispute.

Large media companies such as CBS, which also owns the Showtime premium cable network, have looked to online TV packages, known colloquially as skinny bundles, to offset the declining popularity of traditional cable TV. The number of people who pay for a cable or satellite package has declined for more than five years, according to research firm MoffettNathanson LLC. That number has fallen because of expensive packages that include channels many consumers don’t want.

Skinny Surge
Yet the number of people paying for a TV service of some kind increased last quarter for the first time in a couple years, thanks to these skinny bundles. Hulu’s live TV service has signed up more than 800,000 customers since its debut last May. AT&T’s DirecTV, Alphabet Inc.’s YouTube and Dish Network Corp. offer similar packages.

CBS has said it gets paid a higher monthly fee by online services than cable, and it has secured a position in almost all of the major skinny bundles. “No matter the size of the bundle, we continue to negotiate deals with the distributors at higher rates that better reflect the fair value of our content,” Les Moonves, CBS’s now-ousted chief executive officer, told analysts in August.
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Gee has it been 3 years already?

I see on the Dish uplink report that Dish removed the EPG for the OTA version of Tegna stations. The stations are still carried but it looks like beginning of October is when the 3 years are up. In simpler terms if you tune to say KARE 11 (Minneapolis) on 11-0 (the satellite carried version) you have guide info but 11-1 (OTA version) doesnt have guide info. At least thats how I read it.

Dish and Tegna had a spat 3 years ago
 
Also see Dish is doing it to the Forum stations...which are 3 of the 4 ABC stations in North Dakota (the 4th, KMCY, is a satellite station of KMBY)

yup 3 years coming up on that deal too
 


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