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KBLE has an FM translator
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The Q has been obliterated in N King County for a couple weeks now. I'll miss it. They found a formula and have pretty much stuck to it for a couple decades, easily. Then again, the Catholics on 100.3 Shoreline have found a formula and stuck with it for the better part of 15 centuries, so there's that. All things being equal, I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. A poet once said "the sinners are much more fun..."
A sad day for the Seattle FM dial. CKKQ Victoria, a great classic rock station, taken out by a station that will be listened to by, at the most, 100 people. Another reason why I'm so glad I'm outta there! I think some of these translator applications are absurd. AM Revitalization has really destroyed the definition of 'rimshot'. At least 96.1 is still MIXX, for now...
IOW, they were Country when Country wasn't cool.
CKKQ has managed to maintain a successful mainstream rock format in an era when that format is gone from most US markets. I've always been impressed at how stable and successful that station is.
I’m happy to report 100.3 the Q is still listenable...north of Paine Field.
I think the more amazing thing is 100.3 is on the old KCMS tower out in Shoreline. That’s a 10 or 12 bay antenna on there and I have not seen any new antennae installed recently (I drive past it daily).
If it is running through the old KCMS antenna, I’d be curious how few watts that translator is pumping out. Can’t be more than 5-7 watts coming out of that behemoth up there!
I think the more amazing thing is 100.3 is on the old KCMS tower out in Shoreline. That’s a 10 or 12 bay antenna on there and I have not seen any new antennae installed recently (I drive past it daily).
If it is running through the old KCMS antenna, I’d be curious how few watts that translator is pumping out. Can’t be more than 5-7 watts coming out of that behemoth up there!
And how many in Seattle actually listen to CKKQ? I would think it's a toss up between the two stations.
... except you are not using the term "rimshot" correctly.
A "rimshot" is defined in the industry as a station that is at the edge of a market which tries to serve that market without a full signal over it.
A station in Victoria, BC, Canada, is not a rimshot to the Seattle market. It barely gets a 60 dbu signal into a tiny tidbit of one country in the Seattle MSA, and it does not attempt to serve the Seattle market. It's quite simply an out-of-town signal that makes (or made) it into parts of the market and can (could) be heard by a tiny number of people who made an unusual effort to hear it (or who were located in a site where the signal was unobstructed).
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Ever been to the Lynnwood Ice Center on a weekday early afternoon? I have, and CKKQ was actually a pretty regular station to hear in there, although they'd change it and put in other music seemingly at random.
Remember David, the Puget Sound acts as a natural amplifier. The closer you are to the sound, the better the BC signal is. It may miss the 60dbu throughout the Seattle metro, but it's like a local in places above 400 or 500 feet, and along the sound. Almost every Victoria signal is crystal clear in downtown Edmonds where Seattle is multipathed by hills. The same goes with Mukilteo, the Everett waterfront, Richmond Beach, you name it.
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Come on rim shots and **** (moderator note: vulgarity/profanity removed) is that what we are down to now. About some Canuk station that doesn't even count in the market or ratings wise... really? Maybe we could talk about ratings, programming, promotions, sales, that has to do with Seattle. Sorry but small non players, out of market stations and posts from no talent wannabe has been jocks / PDs/ GMs and GSMs aren't cutting it for me.
Better yet how about discussing the top stations, what makes them successful,
What are the best promotions that have worked,
What day parts are leading the market,
What sales pieces have generated success locally,
How long until Marc Kaye is finally done destroying that Hubbard cluster? How many pairs of shorts does he own? Does he like his new Lexus SUV?
Will KEXP go off the air again and why is it run like a high school station?
What happened to FITZ? He was supposed to be the end all be all and Gods gift to radio and media....
Is Erik Powers the only reason HOT is doing what it is?
How long until 98.9 FLIPS again this time the format will be....
How many more selfies can Shellie Hart post on social?
When will Bender get inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame?
Why do Ron and Don sound like they have a mouth full of marbles when they talk?
Is KZOK or KISW Seattle's true ROCK station?
Will KUBE ever make a comeback?
When do Kent and Allen hang it up?
There that should be enough to get things going... ENJOY!
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Well said. I'd be willing to guess that CKKQ's protected 60 DBU contour hits the west side of Camano Island, Oak Harbor, Coupville, and other areas up that way. However, it's like a local all the way down to Edmonds and maybe even points south. Another example, and someone that can actually see the coverage map can help me out with this, is KPQ-FM in Wenachee. I heard them pretty easily in Othello several years back, and I doubt the 60 DBU of that station reaches Othello either. Keep in mind also that I have much better radios now than I did when I mad that observation. KDUK in Florance, Oregon may be a third example, but I'm not sure realistically how many people actually listen to that signal outside of the protected contour. That really is an underrated signal though, it tripped the scan on our car radio in Stevenson.
You are right about the calculated 60 dbu, which is the one used in the US for protection for all except Class B stations. On the other hand, there are different standards for protection in border areas, based on the assumption that stations on one side of a border should obey the protection requirement "on the other side" for the signal that crosses the border, but, at the same time, signals from across the border of a nation are not necessarily afforded the same protections in that other-nation coverage area as they might be in the nation where the signal originates.
In this case, using a better model of predicted coverage may show areas outside the calculated contour used for protection. The real issue would be to go back to Pre-PPM Arbitron ratings to see if CKKQ showed up in the Seattle book (it won't in the PPM era unless they encode). I looked at a few reports from that Pre-PPM era and found not mention of CKKQ even as a below the line station... but I did not look at every book.
Exactly, Bob. KPQ-FM gets an audience in Yakima. I have a friend who has The Quake on his presets along with 105.7, KXDD, etc. Rimshot stations do get an audience, yes maybe niche, but still has a following. There was a post on The Q's facebook page a week ago from a Seattle-area listener, complaining about the new translator. Sadly, I don't think the CRTC can fight the FCC over that issue, unlike KXXO vs. KKNW. I may be wrong.
The same thing happened in Lexington KY a few years ago. WSGS 101.1 Hazard KY could be heard very well in Lexington (80-ish miles away), a country station with local programming. 100,000 watt signal on top of a mountain, could be heard 100 miles away most of the time. Then BOOM...Rush Limbaugh, WVLK-590, on top of the WSGS signal. Hundreds of FCC complaints and they were forced to vacate the frequency. WVLK has a translator somewhere else on the FM dial.
The same thing happened in Lexington KY a few years ago. WSGS 101.1 Hazard KY could be heard very well in Lexington (80-ish miles away), a country station with local programming. 100,000 watt signal on top of a mountain, could be heard 100 miles away most of the time. Then BOOM...Rush Limbaugh, WVLK-590, on top of the WSGS signal. Hundreds of FCC complaints and they were forced to vacate the frequency. WVLK has a translator somewhere else on the FM dial.
Again, a "rimshot" is a station positioned at the edge of a market (either just inside or somewhere outside) which attempts to serve and sell advertising in the market to which it is rimshot.
KPQ-FM is not a rimshot, unless it gets a substantial amount of revenue from the Yakima market; the fact that it only occasionally gets "ground clutter" level listening in the Yakima ratings indicates that this is not the case.
An example of a "rimshot" is KLYY, licensed to Riverside, CA, but which makes little or no effort to program to or sell advertising in the separate Riverside/San Bernardino market, preferring, despite only partial coverage, to serve listeners and advertisers in the Los Angeles market.
Another rimshot is WNUE in Deltona, FL. Despite being licensed to and transmitting from, well outside the Orlando MSA, it chooses to serve a market within the confines of the Orlando MSA and to program to and sell in that geography.
Using these examples as examples, the stations you have called rimshots are, simply, distant stations that put a little signal into an adjacent market.
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Rimshot signals in Orlando, FL and Riverside, CA okay to discuss in Seattle forum.
Seattle radio personalities who pass away, not so much.
Seattle radio personalities who pass away, not so much.
Wyy does the KBLE translator broadcast in stereo? This is a spoken word station. They would increase range and decrease multipath considerably if they just went mono.
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