550's yearly middle finger to "Coast to Coast AM"

[indieradioguy]

Where did the first hour disappear to? As it did last year at Daylight Saving Time, 550 now joins 2nd hour already in progress.

I thought 960 was the only one on Ancient pulling this nonsense. I thought wrong, apparently.

 

[multiplex]

If the U.S. ever got the sense to stop altering its clocks twice a year, KFYI wouldn't have to make such choices. Seems to me that it's more sensible to carry the show live so Valley listeners can participate. So, unless I'm missing something, KFYI is making the best move here.
I originally wrote "the right move", but where the U.S. time change is concerned, I'm not sure there is a right move, except abolishing it, which is a subject for a different forum somewhere else.

 

[landtuna]

Related to this thread is the yearly issue that programs on the sub-nets frequently "change time" when the rest of the country goes to DST and AZ does not. It's a PITA for sure! An example of this is 'Escape' whose programs moved one hour earlier last Sunday.

 

[CTListener]

Back in the days when stations had live graveyard-shift DJs and talk hosts, did those people in DST states get paid an hour of OT every fall, then have an hour's pay deducted from their checks in the spring, or did they just get paid according to the times the shift began and ended, regardless of how many real-time hours they had to work to do a midnight-to-5 show? I'm guessing the latter, since the hour gained and hour lost balance each other out every year.

 

[TheBigA]

I'm guessing the latter, since the hour gained and hour lost balance each other out every year.

Only if those people were paid a salary. Most likely they were only paid an hourly rate for actual hours worked.

 

[indieradioguy]

If the U.S. ever got the sense to stop altering its clocks twice a year, KFYI wouldn't have to make such choices. Seems to me that it's more sensible to carry the show live so Valley listeners can participate. So, unless I'm missing something, KFYI is making the best move here.
I originally wrote "the right move", but where the U.S. time change is concerned, I'm not sure there is a right move, except abolishing it, which is a subject for a different forum somewhere else.

The "right move" would be for 550's owners to honor the contract (agreement) to air all four hours of a program they're paying for. If they're such lousy stewards, then perhaps it's time for "Coast to Coast AM" to move off Ancient to FM in this market. I'm sure Bonneville would be happy to have it for 92.3.

 

[TheBigA]

The "right move" would be for 550's owners to honor the contract (agreement) to air all four hours of a program they're paying for. If they're such lousy stewards, then perhaps it's time for "Coast to Coast AM" to move off Ancient to FM in this market. I'm sure Bonneville would be happy to have it for 92.3.

This may come as news to you, but the company that owns 550 also owns this show. They won't be handing it over to a competitor for any reason.

 

[indieradioguy]

This may come as news to you, but the company that owns 550 also owns this show. They won't be handing it over to a competitor for any reason.

They're lousy stewards of the show so of course they won't.

 

[TheBigA]

They're lousy stewards of the show so of course they won't.

This is an Arizona problem, not a radio station problem.

 

[gr8oldies]

There are only 2 choices in an outlier state like Arizona (or the way Indiana was for years). Either take the majority of the show live and delay the first hour, or delay all of the hours by an hour. (as network affiliates do there).

 

[mohawk82]

Back in the days when stations had live graveyard-shift DJs and talk hosts, did those people in DST states get paid an hour of OT every fall, then have an hour's pay deducted from their checks in the spring, or did they just get paid according to the times the shift began and ended, regardless of how many real-time hours they had to work to do a midnight-to-5 show? I'm guessing the latter, since the hour gained and hour lost balance each other out every year.

I worked overnights at a truckstop in PA from 78-82. We got paid for 39 hours in the fall 41 hours in the spring. Our boss said he was getting screwed because he had to pay us time and half for the spring, but we were only losing an our of regular time for the extra hour that we worked in the fall. We were making less than $3 an hour.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

So 55/FYI does not start C2CAM at 10:00 PM anymore, but at 11:00? They can't "clear" the 10-11 hour for it anymore? What's so important and interesting on that they can't? Some years back, when it began at 10 year-round, during DST it was the live C2C show from 10:00 PM-2:00 AM, followed by repeated hours until 5:00 AM. During standard time, 10-11 was a repeat of a hour from last night, followed by that night's live C2C from 11:00-3:00 (10-2 PT), then two hours repeated from 3-5.

 

[indieradioguy]

So 55/FYI does not start C2CAM at 10:00 PM anymore, but at 11:00? They can't "clear" the 10-11 hour for it anymore? What's so important and interesting on that they can't? Some years back, when it began at 10 year-round, during DST it was the live C2C show from 10:00 PM-2:00 AM, followed by repeated hours until 5:00 AM. During standard time, 10-11 was a repeat of a hour from last night, followed by that night's live C2C from 11:00-3:00 (10-2 PT), then two hours repeated from 3-5.

Exactly correct. Someone at 550 decided 10pm AZ would no longer be its start time and rather than own up to the programming faux pas decided to blame Daylight Saving Time instead. What was so terrible with having the previous night's last hour in the 10:00pm slot? It's like if 94.5 decided to pre-empt the first hour of AT40 on Saturday morning so you don't get to get hear #40, #39 and #38. No difference. Meanwhile, the no-name show at 10pm is STILL a no-name show.

 

[johndavis]

Exactly correct. Someone at 550 decided 10pm AZ would no longer be its start time and rather than own up to the programming faux pas decided to blame Daylight Saving Time instead. What was so terrible with having the previous night's last hour in the 10:00pm slot? It's like if 94.5 decided to pre-empt the first hour of AT40 on Saturday morning so you don't get to get hear #40, #39 and #38. No difference. Meanwhile, the no-name show at 10pm is STILL a no-name show.

This has everything to do with network spot clearance.

Using your example, your replay scenario is the equivalent of KOOL playing hour 4 of last Saturday's AT40 this Saturday, then playing hours 1, 2, and 3 of this week.

If you play last week's commercials this week the network probably won't get paid.

Or, if you play the same network show twice, they won't get paid twice. Replays don't make the network money.

Here's the dirty little secret of radio: we only care about the spots, because that's how we get paid. We don't mess up playing spots. Everything else is secondary.

 

[indieradioguy]

This has everything to do with network spot clearance.

Using your example, your replay scenario is the equivalent of KOOL playing hour 4 of last Saturday's AT40 this Saturday, then playing hours 1, 2, and 3 of this week.

If you play last week's commercials this week the network probably won't get paid.

Or, if you play the same network show twice, they won't get paid twice. Replays don't make the network money.

Here's the dirty little secret of radio: we only care about the spots, because that's how we get paid. We don't mess up playing spots. Everything else is secondary.

Ok, thank you. First explanation that "fits." That would certainly explain it. Fortunately, most of the good guests are still on the 2nd half of the show (as is the open lines segments) and so I suppose I should be grateful I still get some non-music/non-news escapism & entertainment to listen to.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

This has everything to do with network spot clearance.

Using your example, your replay scenario is the equivalent of KOOL playing hour 4 of last Saturday's AT40 this Saturday, then playing hours 1, 2, and 3 of this week.

If you play last week's commercials this week the network probably won't get paid...

But in the past, no matter what KFYI filled the "other" hours with, they were still airing that night's ENTIRE show live, from 11-3 (standard time) or 10-2 (DST), with all of that night's spots. So what's wrong with that?

 

[johndavis]

But in the past, no matter what KFYI filled the "other" hours with, they were still airing that night's ENTIRE show live, from 11-3 (standard time) or 10-2 (DST), with all of that night's spots. So what's wrong with that?

Premiere doesn't need any help getting cume for C2C because it's carried in pretty much every market.

They don't have that kind of reach for Clyde Lewis, so they clear an hour of the show in Phoenix to help sell the show to other markets.

Premiere syndicates both shows, and iHeart owns Premiere.

 

[Gregg.]

It would be interesting to ask KFYI why the station delays airing Rush and Hannity by an hour in the summer, but won't do it for Coast to Coast. If the station has the technology to do it efficiently in the daytime, why not at night?

I'm sure someone at KFYI would pick up the phone and explain. Maybe if the station gets no feedback, it figures it doesn't matter to C2C listeners? Maybe management doesn't understand that the show has a definite sequence of what it does each hour. Most shows have interchangeable hours.

 

[davideduardo]

But in the past, no matter what KFYI filled the "other" hours with, they were still airing that night's ENTIRE show live, from 11-3 (standard time) or 10-2 (DST), with all of that night's spots. So what's wrong with that?

The last I heard was that the show makes very little from in show ads, and the real revenue for Premier is from daytime barter spots stations give to carry the show.

To stations it is worth it since it is hard to find viable overnight content. Few stations get any significant local advertising revenue. It’s a throw-away day part.

 

[indieradioguy]

Premiere doesn't need any help getting cume for C2C because it's carried in pretty much every market.

They don't have that kind of reach for Clyde Lewis...

Who? Sounds very analogous to a late night sketch show scheduling Saturday nights when most everyone expects SNL but you're not SNL. Not sure this Clyde fellow will ever have the reach Noory gets - not when Ancient Modulation's demo are literally dying off.