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Four Signs Cumulus Is Not Planning to Sell KABC

1) KABC just signed a five year deal with the University of Southern California to broadcast Trojans Football and Basketball Games, plus do a Monday evening Trojan sports show every week.

2) KABC has three local talk shows on weekdays, and one piped in from Washington. There are plenty of Cumulus-owned Westwood One syndicated talk shows KABC could clear from its parent company in Market #2. But currently the only syndicated show KABC runs in the daytime is Ben Shapiro, 3 to 6pm. Morning drive is Jillian Barberie and John Phillips, followed by Larry O'Connor of WMAL-AM-FM in Washington, D.C. Even though O'Connor is already a Cumulus employee, I believe he's doing the two hour show only for Los Angeles, 10am to noon PT, 1-3pm ET. (His WMAL AM-FM show runs 3 to 6pm ET.) Then Dr. Drew Pinsky and Leeann Tweeden do early afternoons and Peter Tilden does early evenings. 12 hours a day of non-syndicated talk, just for KABC.

3) KABC has local news at the top of the hour most of each weekday. I suspect the newscasters may be Total Traffic employees. But then that means iHeart and Cumulus both think its profitable to have all day newscasters handling KABC local news. You might say, a talk station must have hourly newscasts. But the cheap way would be to just run Westwood One News all day. Maybe have a Total Traffic person just do a few quick So. Cal. headlines along with traffic, if they wanted to go the cheap route. Instead, the Cumulus-owned network newscasts only get heard overnight and weekends. And even on weekends, a local person still does So. Cal. news for a couple of minutes after the network news. All that costs some money.

4) For several decades, the FCC has allowed owners to have more than one AM and more than one FM in a market. But Cumulus has been content with only owning KABC and KLOS. Perhaps now, Cumulus is content with only owning KABC. Yeah, most owners like to have economy of scale. Numerous stations under one roof, one set of studios and offices, one sales staff, one engineering and support staff, with their costs spread over multiple signals. But for all these years, Cumulus has been fine with just having two stations in LA. Now it will have just one.

KABC's ratings are not good. But for now, the station must be profitable or we would see these five local hosts (and one DC host doing two hours just for LA) get replaced with syndicated shows. We'd see the local newscasters get replaced with Cumulus' own Westwood One News. Why spend this money and sign a five-year contract with U.S.C. if you are looking for the exit door?
 
1) KABC just signed a five year deal with the University of Southern California to broadcast Trojans Football and Basketball Games, plus do a Monday evening Trojan sports show every week.

2) KABC has three local talk shows on weekdays, and one piped in from Washington. There are plenty of Cumulus-owned Westwood One syndicated talk shows KABC could clear from its parent company in Market #2. But currently the only syndicated show KABC runs in the daytime is Ben Shapiro, 3 to 6pm. Morning drive is Jillian Barberie and John Phillips, followed by Larry O'Connor of WMAL-AM-FM in Washington, D.C. Even though O'Connor is already a Cumulus employee, I believe he's doing the two hour show only for Los Angeles, 10am to noon PT, 1-3pm ET. (His WMAL AM-FM show runs 3 to 6pm ET.) Then Dr. Drew Pinsky and Leeann Tweeden do early afternoons and Peter Tilden does early evenings. 12 hours a day of non-syndicated talk, just for KABC.

3) KABC has local news at the top of the hour most of each weekday. I suspect the newscasters may be Total Traffic employees. But then that means iHeart and Cumulus both think its profitable to have all day newscasters handling KABC local news. You might say, a talk station must have hourly newscasts. But the cheap way would be to just run Westwood One News all day. Maybe have a Total Traffic person just do a few quick So. Cal. headlines along with traffic, if they wanted to go the cheap route. Instead, the Cumulus-owned network newscasts only get heard overnight and weekends. And even on weekends, a local person still does So. Cal. news for a couple of minutes after the network news. All that costs some money.

4) For several decades, the FCC has allowed owners to have more than one AM and more than one FM in a market. But Cumulus has been content with only owning KABC and KLOS. Perhaps now, Cumulus is content with only owning KABC. Yeah, most owners like to have economy of scale. Numerous stations under one roof, one set of studios and offices, one sales staff, one engineering and support staff, with their costs spread over multiple signals. But for all these years, Cumulus has been fine with just having two stations in LA. Now it will have just one.

KABC's ratings are not good. But for now, the station must be profitable or we would see these five local hosts (and one DC host doing two hours just for LA) get replaced with syndicated shows. We'd see the local newscasters get replaced with Cumulus' own Westwood One News. Why spend this money and sign a five-year contract with U.S.C. if you are looking for the exit door?

1. If there's a clause in the contract that makes it non-binding in the event of a sale, there's no downside.

2. Having local talent vs. syndicated has never been a barometer of whether a station is for sale. I doubt it is here.

3. It's outsourced to Total Traffic. Likely a barter arrangement (KABC clears spots).

4. Cumulus hasn't been "just fine" with only KLOS and KABC. Far from it.

A LOT of radio stations are doing this and more and aren't profitable.
 
Keep in mind the creditors own the company now, so they're just looking for money with no emotional attachment. If there's a buyer around, they'll sell. Until then, they're business as usual. That's really all you can bank on.
 
Keep in mind the creditors own the company now, so they're just looking for money with no emotional attachment. If there's a buyer around, they'll sell. Until then, they're business as usual. That's really all you can bank on.

This is the best post on KABC/Cumulus I have seen in some time. As the old saying goes, "Nothing personal, it's just business".
 
1) KABC just signed a five year deal with the University of Southern California to broadcast Trojans Football and Basketball Games, plus do a Monday evening Trojan sports show every week.
2) KABC has three local talk shows on weekdays, and one piped in from Washington.
3) KABC has local news at the top of the hour most of each weekday. ney.
4) For several decades, the FCC has allowed owners to have more than one AM and more than one FM in a market. But Cumulus has been content with only owning KABC and KLOS.

Why spend this money and sign a five-year contract with U.S.C. if you are looking for the exit door?

These could all be reasons Cumulus IS shopping it around.

You don't want to deimate a station and then put it on the sales block.

These could be ways to maintain the integrity of the asset getting ready for a sale.

Now...if they put money into a new building, new transmitter, phasor and antenna system...then it might appear to me that they are not interested in selling.

;-)
 
Now...if they put money into a new building, new transmitter, phasor and antenna system...then it might appear to me that they are not interested in selling.

You obviously don't know, but a couple years ago, they sold the land that their transmitter, tower, and studio was on, moved to newly built studios, and moved the tower & transmitter to a new location. So there you go.
 
You obviously don't know, but a couple years ago, they sold the land that their transmitter, tower, and studio was on, moved to newly built studios, and moved the tower & transmitter to a new location. So there you go.

Well, there ya go!

I didn't mean new studios (which are relatively easy to construct)....but a new building.
 
I didn't mean new studios (which are relatively easy to construct)....but a new building.

They may be easy to construct but they still cost a lot of money, in terms of equipment & design. I'm sure Fybush has a full pictorial of it on his site.
 
Well, there ya go!

I didn't mean new studios (which are relatively easy to construct)....but a new building.

They moved in to unused space at Westwood One. Relatively inexpensive move.

And if they are shopping it around, an investment in programming makes no sense as no potential buyer would dream of keeping the format.
 
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You obviously don't know, but a couple years ago, they sold the land that their transmitter, tower, and studio was on, moved to newly built studios, and moved the tower & transmitter to a new location. So there you go.

The main cost in the transmitter move was engineering design and tuning. They moved to a duplex operation with another station, KWKW. No towers, no land, no permits.

Studios are at the WW1 facility, already under lease.
 
Now...if they put money into a new building, new transmitter, phasor and antenna system...then it might appear to me that they are not interested in selling.

;-)

No new building, no new transmitter, no new towers. They simply moved to rental property they already owned for studios and diplexed with KWKW for towers, and lost some coverage in the process.
 
1)First off jillian barberie destroys the morning show. Sounds like a 3 yr old and makes john look bad. She hurts that station more then helps it.

2)O Conner fine but not local i will stream that show out of the home station.

3)Dr Drew is very boring. He should have hung radio up when he wrapped on loveline. Leeann is fine but not dr drew.

4)I agree w ben on politics but he is also very boring. He was great with brian whitman on the answer but by himself awful.

5)Peter is fine i just dont understand y he stays at the titanic.

All this ads up to a failed talk station.
 
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You obviously don't know, but a couple years ago, they sold the land that their transmitter, tower, and studio was on, moved to newly built studios, and moved the tower & transmitter to a new location. So there you go.

Even then, there are a lot of stations that upgrade the signal to make the station more attractive to buyers. Classic example is KGBS, when it went from daytime to fulltime as KTNQ. Rumors all along were that Storer was looking to unload it for a full-market price, which it couldn't get as a daytimer. People figured when TenQ made a splash (to the extent that it did) that Storer would keep it, but they put it up for sale within 18 months of the upgrade.
 
Even then, there are a lot of stations that upgrade the signal to make the station more attractive to buyers. Classic example is KGBS, when it went from daytime to fulltime as KTNQ. Rumors all along were that Storer was looking to unload it for a full-market price, which it couldn't get as a daytimer. People figured when TenQ made a splash (to the extent that it did) that Storer would keep it, but they put it up for sale within 18 months of the upgrade.

The 790 signal in LA cannot be upgraded in any significant way to protect other stations on the same frequency. David E. has detailed this in the past.
 
The 790 signal in LA cannot be upgraded in any significant way to protect other stations on the same frequency. David E. has detailed this in the past.

Yes, he did. Which wasn't my point. I was answering Wimmex's post in a general way, showing that even those moves wouldn't rule out a sale and might be considered helpful to one.
 


They moved in to unused space at Westwood One. Relatively inexpensive move.

And if they are shopping it around, an investment in programming makes no sense as no potential buyer would dream of keeping the format.

Why not? What other format is more profitable on AM than talk? Do AM music stations bring in that many listeners? I suppose a music format would be cheaper, but even considering that I just find it hard to believe that it would bring in the listeners (and therefore ad revenue) needed to maximize profits.
 
They moved in to unused space at Westwood One. Relatively inexpensive move

It was not unused space. It was occupied by NBC Sports Network. and needed a complete rebuild for KABC/KLOS. NBC Sports Network moved across the street, and they also required new studios. They flew out engineering people from NYC to oversee the conversion. Not as cheap as you think.
 
It was not unused space. It was occupied by NBC Sports Network. and needed a complete rebuild for KABC/KLOS. NBC Sports Network moved across the street, and they also required new studios. They flew out engineering people from NYC to oversee the conversion. Not as cheap as you think.

The studio thing was likely less than $500 k, which is a tiny expense given the roughly $100,000,000 that they got for the land. Add in perhaps another $400 k for the diplexing at KWKW and the the whole thing was around 1% of the sale of the property; the real estate agents made a whole lot more.

I had heard that they had planned to move the NBC sports complex anyway, so in a sense the space would have been vacant.
 
Why not? What other format is more profitable on AM than talk? Do AM music stations bring in that many listeners? I suppose a music format would be cheaper, but even considering that I just find it hard to believe that it would bring in the listeners (and therefore ad revenue) needed to maximize profits.

The signal does not offer particularly good coverage of English speaking old non-Hispanic white guys. The usable signal (15 mV/m per the ITU in noisy metros) covers mostly ethnic (Black, Hispanic, Asian) and immigrant communities that don't listen at all or very little to the kind of talk radio KABC offers. Further, the change to the KWKW site resulted in a further reduction in the coverage of KABC that, however minor, decreases even more the potential audience.

There are, on the other hand, some immensely profitable stations in LA in Korean, Farsi, Chinese and Vietnamese, and they have even lesser signals than KABC.
 
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