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Slate has an article with the title of "Bring Back the Golden Age of Broadcast Regulation"

https://slate.com/technology/2019/06/youtube-facebook-hate-speech-regulation-how.html

As is so common now, the article bases its contention that regulation of Facebook and Twitter and the rest of the social media gang should be based on decades old principles, now discarded, of radio regulation. Specifically it names the Fairness Doctrine. And it says that the doctrine required stations to take on controversial subjects of community interest. From there, it descends into sub-basement after sub-basement of inaccuracy.

"Fairness" did not obligate stations to discuss controversial topic. It required, though, some form of equal treatment of opposing viewpoints if requested and some form of balance if positions were discussed on subjects of great controversy.

However, most stations, particularly music based ones, did not take on controversial subjects. It was not required.

The writer, one April Glaser, claims that stations were obligated to broadcast a percentage of hours dedicated to such controversial subjects under the title of "Public Affairs". Wrong. While "Public Affairs" was a pretty much required area for license renewal promises and analysis of past performance, most stations took the approach of discussing subjects like local health care, infrastructure, education and the like as part of their "PA" commitment. Most of us stayed away from incendiary topics as we did not have the ability to deal with honest-to-goodness Fairness Doctrine compliance and did not want expensive FCC complaints to be made. So we did PA shows about the summer classes at local schools, or ran the "Mayor's Report" or something similar. During much of the 50's at a number of stations I took care of the PA commitment quite legally by doing the "Question Man" with one minute on the street comments about current events topics; add up the minutes and you got a couple of hours of PA each week!

The article also seems to indicate that a corollary to Fairness was the requirement to do community leader interviews. There was no connection; the interviews were part of a once-every-three-year process for license renewal where stations asked a batch of leaders what the big issues of the day were. We did not have to address any particular ones of them on air, just show that we knew about them.

And then the author says stations had to do surveys of the general public. As someone who did quite a few license renewals in the 70's period referred to, I must have missed the memo on that. It was not done in that period.

There is more, but what it shows is that poorly researched or poorly reported opinion pieces based on inaccurate reading of historical facts leads to "think pieces" that are just verbal garbage. And, of course, few readers will fact check and most will take such articles as being real and say, "yeah, we ought to bring that back".

Wrong.
 
One of the things most people don't understand about regulations and the government is that adding regulations means adding regulators. That means adding expense to the government. And one of the things Republicans hate is adding taxpayer expense to the government. Especially the libertarian Republicans who believe in small government. So I really don't expect a Republican administration to drop a load of new regulations on Twitter and Facebook. This is not to say they won't try to break them up or cause them pain. The current FCC has been looking to eliminate radio regulations and loosen ownership limits. That's the pattern of action we can expect.
 
People seem to think that the Fairness Doctrine was some giant club that the government wielded, with someone running a stopwatch making sure that 6 minutes and 37 seconds of pro-Republican commentary was balanced by exactly 6 minutes and 37 seconds of pro-Democratic Party commentary. Nothing could be further from the truth. I've seen memes that claim the Fairness Doctrine would have prevented the creating of Fox News and the Drudge Report!

As for a Fairness Doctrine for Facebook, Twitter and YouTube? Good luck with that. I mean, when Uncle Harry posts a pro-Trump meme Facebook has to flash a pro-AOC meme at you? I've seen Facebook experiment with a "suggested articles" feature. There was a story a lot of my conservative friends were spreading complaining about another article which featured an 8-year-old twerking (that fad that was in vogue for approximately five minutes a few years ago). One of the suggested articles was "can you believe these stupid people have a problem with an 8-year-old twerking?". Are social media sites going to be the Grand Arbiters of Truth? You can't post your article because we at Facebook have determined you can't? Not sure that's going to be a plan. I get that folks want Facebook to see that Trump and Brexit never happen again, even if they have to squelch conversation.
 
People seem to think that the Fairness Doctrine was some giant club that the government wielded, with someone running a stopwatch making sure that 6 minutes and 37 seconds of pro-Republican commentary was balanced by exactly 6 minutes and 37 seconds of pro-Democratic Party commentary. Nothing could be further from the truth. I've seen memes that claim the Fairness Doctrine would have prevented the creating of Fox News and the Drudge Report!


There is a mistaken impression by some people too young to know better and two dumb to read the facts that the FCC "used to" monitor all broadcasts and enforce "Fairness".

Like most FCC rules, any "breakage" had to be reported to the FCC with a call to action. The fact is that there were not many "Fairness" complaints that achieved any impact; the most famous being the one lodged by one Fred Cook against Rev. John Norris and WGCB in Red Lion, PA, demanding time to counter the minister's preaching on his complex of AM, FM, TV and SW stations. It took years to litigate, extended due to Norris' refusal to broadcast views he believed to be contrary to his creed.

While it can be sustained that the threat of a complaint forced compliance and balance, there is no real proof of that. And most of us who managed stations when Fairness was still in effect were so uncertain about its exact application that we wasted lots of money on our communications counsel making sure we were in compliance or asking what we could and couldn't do. I got the impression that the attorneys had so little real case law to work with that they were not quite sure, either.
 
People seem to think that the Fairness Doctrine was some giant club that the government wielded, with someone running a stopwatch making sure that 6 minutes and 37 seconds of pro-Republican commentary was balanced by exactly 6 minutes and 37 seconds of pro-Democratic Party commentary. Nothing could be further from the truth. I've seen memes that claim the Fairness Doctrine would have prevented the creating of Fox News and the Drudge Report!

As for a Fairness Doctrine for Facebook, Twitter and YouTube? Good luck with that. I mean, when Uncle Harry posts a pro-Trump meme Facebook has to flash a pro-AOC meme at you? I've seen Facebook experiment with a "suggested articles" feature. There was a story a lot of my conservative friends were spreading complaining about another article which featured an 8-year-old twerking (that fad that was in vogue for approximately five minutes a few years ago). One of the suggested articles was "can you believe these stupid people have a problem with an 8-year-old twerking?". Are social media sites going to be the Grand Arbiters of Truth? You can't post your article because we at Facebook have determined you can't? Not sure that's going to be a plan. I get that folks want Facebook to see that Trump and Brexit never happen again, even if they have to squelch conversation.


True Also I noticed that some of the people say if we had the fairness doctrine then free speech will not be politically polarizing. If that was the case how did Wally George and Morton Downey get a show. These people were politically polarizing back then. I knew congress repealed fairness doctrine around 1987-1988 when these shows came out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDy4DU9pyE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hjwj7GpyXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBmhpiM7Udk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM8wyN6yrZw

https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=32711

And yes Jim Jones of Jonestown used to have a show of KFAX Radio in San Francisco and he was the most politically polarizing person in the 1970's.

I'm not sure how Facebook, Twitter and YouTube can even enforce Fairness Doctrine given that they are currently investigation for antitrust though in congress

All this argument does is make the " Politically Polarizing" people move their content operations to gab, bitchute and others

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitChute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeWe_(social_media)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica

So far I heard of the right moving their content to gab and bitchute once certain right wing pundits on youtube ranted that they were allegedly being "censored" by Youtube, facebook and Twitter.
 
It's difficult to claim "censorship" on social media sites when users have the ability to unfollow content they don't want to see. I can follow nothing but photography and recipe pages and skip Uncle Harry's political rants entirely. Unless some would demand Facebook force feed political content to those who don't want to see it, then that's a different matter



True Also I noticed that some of the people say if we had the fairness doctrine then free speech will not be politically polarizing. If that was the case how did Wally George and Morton Downey get a show. These people were politically polarizing back then. I knew congress repealed fairness doctrine around 1987-1988 when these shows came out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDy4DU9pyE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hjwj7GpyXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBmhpiM7Udk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM8wyN6yrZw

https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=32711

And yes Jim Jones of Jonestown used to have a show of KFAX Radio in San Francisco and he was the most politically polarizing person in the 1970's.

I'm not sure how Facebook, Twitter and YouTube can even enforce Fairness Doctrine given that they are currently investigation for antitrust though in congress

All this argument does is make the " Politically Polarizing" people move their content operations to gab, bitchute and others

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitChute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeWe_(social_media)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica

So far I heard of the right moving their content to gab and bitchute once certain right wing pundits on youtube ranted that they were allegedly being "censored" by Youtube, facebook and Twitter.
 
Unless some would demand Facebook force feed political content to those who don't want to see it, then that's a different matter

Actually some of the Russian bots were coming through via co-opted Facebook friends. And yes that was a technical problem with Facebook, that hopefully has been fixed. Also if you have friended some political sites, its very likely the ads you'll see will be political in nature, and not necessarily factual, authorized, or proper. Those ads are force fed.
 
Actually some of the Russian bots were coming through via co-opted Facebook friends. And yes that was a technical problem with Facebook, that hopefully has been fixed. Also if you have friended some political sites, its very likely the ads you'll see will be political in nature, and not necessarily factual, authorized, or proper. Those ads are force fed.

http://www.investigatetv.com/political-ads/

Here is another reason why some people want facebook to be regulated and its because of political ads for the 2020 elections on the feed made by various superpacs.
 
Here is another reason why some people want facebook to be regulated and its because of political ads for the 2020 elections on the feed made by various superpacs.

Still if your browser knows that you visit political sites, then political ads will find you somehow.
 
This is why ad blockers are so important. The best way to browse the internet is without any seedy ads.

But if everyone had an ad blocker and they all blocked 100 percent of the ads, there wouldn't be much left to browse, at least not without paying.
 
But if everyone had an ad blocker and they all blocked 100 percent of the ads, there wouldn't be much left to browse, at least not without paying.
Ads are only effective if you click on them. That is the only way they make money. How many people willingly click on the ads?
 
Ads are only effective if you click on them. That is the only way they make money. How many people willingly click on the ads?

More than would be clicking on ads that weren't there! Certainly enough to keep ads an integral part of any media company's internet strategy.

Don't fall into the "I don't do X, therefore nobody does X" logical fallacy. The world is full of people more gullible and less knowledgeable than you or me. They are the targets of advertising -- the lowest common denominator. The birth rate of suckers hasn't slowed.
 
More than would be clicking on ads that weren't there! Certainly enough to keep ads an integral part of any media company's internet strategy.
I would be fine with just ads. It's the secret tracking and spying that is the problem. These ad companies are getting more in bed with Facebook.
 
ABP blocker works great on my Firefox and Chrome browsers..Dont get those hot topic political ads from any side and other local ads that follow me after Google searches anymore.

Dont do much on FB as I check in quickly on some friends and relatives so I dont get hot over any ads that sneak through APB.I just move on.

Of course I train APB to let ads on Forums like this to support the forums and other sites I support.
 
True Also I noticed that some of the people say if we had the fairness doctrine then free speech will not be politically polarizing. If that was the case how did Wally George and Morton Downey get a show. These people were politically polarizing back then. I knew congress repealed fairness doctrine around 1987-1988 when these shows came out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDy4DU9pyE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hjwj7GpyXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBmhpiM7Udk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM8wyN6yrZw

https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=32711

And yes Jim Jones of Jonestown used to have a show of KFAX Radio in San Francisco and he was the most politically polarizing person in the 1970's.

I'm not sure how Facebook, Twitter and YouTube can even enforce Fairness Doctrine given that they are currently investigation for antitrust though in congress

All this argument does is make the " Politically Polarizing" people move their content operations to gab, bitchute and others

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitChute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeWe_(social_media)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica

So far I heard of the right moving their content to gab and bitchute once certain right wing pundits on youtube ranted that they were allegedly being "censored" by Youtube, facebook and Twitter.

I used too watch Morton Downey Jr on flagship WWOR Ch9 NYC back then when it came out. .Did not know much about Wally George since he did not get any national attention like Morton did with syndication until the internet came out and Wally's videos popped up on Youtube .

As of today They probably will be stifled online.Glad to see their shows still on YouTube..........

Brighteon com is another video site that people are moving over to because of censorship.

https://www.brighteon.com/
 
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Facebook ads are targeted and show up on your feed,so ad blockers do not work. The Russian troll farm was spending $1,250,000 a month during most of 2016 to glorify Trump, demonize Hillary, convince blacks to stay home, young people to vote for Jill Stein, Jews to vote for Trump because Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie,working mothers vote for Hillary by TEXT MESSAGE, Latinos vote Wednesday so they have time to change the voting machines to Spanish. The indictment against the Russians is stunning, makes you wonder why almost all the conservative talkers parrot Kushner "The Russians bought a few Facebook ads - so what?
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
 
Facebook ads are targeted and show up on your feed,so ad blockers do not work. The Russian troll farm was spending $1,250,000 a month during most of 2016 to glorify Trump, demonize Hillary, convince blacks to stay home, young people to vote for Jill Stein, Jews to vote for Trump because Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie,working mothers vote for Hillary by TEXT MESSAGE, Latinos vote Wednesday so they have time to change the voting machines to Spanish. The indictment against the Russians is stunning, makes you wonder why almost all the conservative talkers parrot Kushner "The Russians bought a few Facebook ads - so what?
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
Thanks ropertex.

Ok .Did not know that about Facebook with ad blockers.That shows that I dont do FB alot...

On P ads .I dont even bother watching/listen or reading any of it from any side.
 
Facebook ads are targeted and show up on your feed,so ad blockers do not work. The Russian troll farm was spending $1,250,000 a month during most of 2016 to glorify Trump, demonize Hillary, convince blacks to stay home, young people to vote for Jill Stein, Jews to vote for Trump because Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie,working mothers vote for Hillary by TEXT MESSAGE, Latinos vote Wednesday so they have time to change the voting machines to Spanish. The indictment against the Russians is stunning, makes you wonder why almost all the conservative talkers parrot Kushner "The Russians bought a few Facebook ads - so what?

Let's keep this in proportion. The 2016 federal election expenditures were at least $6.5 billion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-election-its-a-doozy/?utm_term=.4a5e27ed3592

Against about $10 to $12 million alleged against the Russian trolls and related parties. Do the percentages and don't forget where the decimal point goes.

To cite one comparison, Safelite, the auto glass replacement company, spends three times as much annually on their advertising.

Proctor & Gamble spent $7.1 billion last year on advertising.

Illegal and improper? Yes, if proven.

Significant when compared to the overall campaign expenses? No.

$1 million a month (the alleged expenditure) does not buy much in media reach and frequency today, particularly if your target is every person in the US of voting age.
 
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