W264BH 100.7 Now on air

[daddyoo]

Take WVBV for instance, a flamethrower signal with SEVEN translators all covering the same area as the main signal. Plus over 30 miles from their COL, all I ask is WHY?

 

[davideduardo]

Take WVBV for instance, a flamethrower signal with SEVEN translators all covering the same area as the main signal. Plus over 30 miles from their COL, all I ask is WHY?

WVBV is not a Philly station and does not cover 80% of the Philly population with a 60 dbu signal. So they use translators to become a regional station.

The WVBV transmitter, located near the center of Atlantic County, is not even inside the MSA, and it's signal only covers about the southeastern half of Camden and Goucester counties and none of the rest of the Philadelphia metro radio market.

The translators cover much of the metro that the "mother signal" does not.

Non-com stations can have translators virtually anywhere. The COL, for most practical purposes, does not matter.

Just look at EMF, with hundreds of translators nowhere near the location of the originating station in the Sacramento area.

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

I'm not going to argue with you. It's impossible to say most or whatever. Some have very extensive technical knowledge, some don't. I doubt you know more than the average listener.

While technical knowledge is clearly important, and I’m also not getting into painting who does or doesn’t have it based on particular interests, forming policy based on niche interests is not a good route.

 

[SomeRadioGuy]

I'm not going to argue with you. It's impossible to say most or whatever. Some have very extensive technical knowledge, some don't. I doubt you know more than the average listener.

I'm an actual on air broadcaster of almost 2 decades who has also learned from many highly regarded broadcast engineers, attended many transmitter site visits and read anything technical/fcc related that I can. I'm also a long time, some what seasoned and accomplished DXer.

 

[SomeRadioGuy]

While technical knowledge is clearly important, and I’m also not getting into painting who does or doesn’t have it based on particular interests, forming policy based on niche interests is not a good route.

That is correct.. because Dx'ers, solely because they want more open frequencies wouldn't have allowed about half the translators exist.. and basically violate fcc rules by not allowing something simple because they don't want it, ignoring the basic.. if it fits, I sits rule

 

[Steve Green NEPA]

I'm a seasoned DXer here too, SomeRadioGuy.

Well, nowadays 'marinated' might be more accurate.

But in the 60's and 70's, we couldn't WAIT for new AM stations to sign on, serve their town, and come in by us.
'Us' lived near JFK Airport in Queens. Some of those new shoehorned stations (all of them seemingly directional) were very good.

WINE 940 from Brookfield (Danbury) CT was one of the first. WGCH 1490 Greenwich CT signed on around then. Later came things like WTBQ 1110 from Warwick NY .... WRAN Dover NJ 1510 .... WKER Pompton Lakes NJ 1500 .... WBRW Bridgewater (Somerville) NJ 1170 .... WKDN 800 Camden changed to WTMR ....

Well, I'm just lamenting about how these new stations sounded quite 'individual', for lack of a better adjective.

Even the older ones, such as WNLK Norwalk CT, WNAR Norristown, WTEL 860 Philly, WFPG Atlantic City 1450, et al, were unique and faithful to their COLs. It was stations such as those which made me (and I'm sure others) want to try our hand at this community communications stuff.
And get PAID for it, lol!

Much as you had, I did 26 years straight at radio, back in the days of yore. And as a DXer I had no quarrel whatsoever with new AM stations signing on.
FM has become another matter altogether, with all the new translators, duplications, relays and extension speakers. It's beyond comprehension to imagine a 16-year old kid scanning the newer FM dial in 2019 and being enthralled enough by all the duplication and indifference present to make him or her want to approach the industry.

And radio is chewing its nails for some reason?

 

[Radi0411]

The 100.7 signal in NJ specifically from Central into South Jersey is a nightmarish web of a mish mosh of translators far enough East of WLEV, South of WHUD and North of WZXL.

W264BT: Edison, NJ (Relaying a local AM Daytimer)
W264DH: Eatontown, NJ (Relaying 1410 WHTG-AM)
W264BH: Mount Holly, NJ (Relaying WKVP, leased from a group in Chicago)
W264AM: Toms River, NJ (Relaying WJRZ)

It'll be even busier once the W264CW CP, licensed to Roosevelt is built and put on the air... Really not much population to hit with this isolated signal but it will have value to/for someone...

It is amazing how some of these are granted but some creative engineering and some technical prowess on the antenna spec side can work wonders.

 

[daddyoo]

I noticed every new LP or T-lator that has popped up in the last three years has their signal directed to the Southeast into Jersey. Is this because most of them are barging in on Lehigh Valley frequencies that have been used by long time stations for years. I heard W264CW in Lakehurst 50 miles away which killed the WCTO signal in the Philly metro and W264BH in Hammonton 35 miles away which destroyed WZXL which was always like a local there. Why are these new-be move in-s taking over occupied frequencies blocking heritage signals??

 

[Radi0411]

I noticed every new LP or T-lator that has popped up in the last three years has their signal directed to the Southeast into Jersey. Is this because most of them are barging in on Lehigh Valley frequencies that have been used by long time stations for years. I heard W264CW in Lakehurst 50 miles away which killed the WCTO signal in the Philly metro and W264BH in Hammonton 35 miles away which destroyed WZXL which was always like a local there. Why are these new-be move in-s taking over occupied frequencies blocking heritage signals??

Legally from an engineering and FCC compliance standpoint, they are not overtaking any portion of the airwaves that isn't technically up for grabs. Anything concerning WLEV, WHUD or WZXL is protected to their 54dbu contour as Class B stations. Smaller stations such as a Class A for example are only protected to their 60 dbu contour. There has been a migration to this frequency because in theory not many other frequencies existed to utilize/shoehorn in translators, especially in the congested Northeast. Despite 3 Full-power Class B's and their range, even with interference and a complex mess of new (and old) translators its still better than no options at all. People who like to DX are really the ones who lose and unfortunately they are the minority not the majority. While streaming isn't the same as DX'ing, its the only option left or waiting for Tropo or E-skip to see what that brings on any given day.

To my knowledge the W224CW isn't signed on as its CP is still pending...