Out of market TV stations on cable....

[centerfreqradio]

Hi all and Happy Holidays to all.....This may be in the wrong forum section but Mods can move it to the right forum if they like too..

I got a question about out of market TV stations in the cable channel lineup..Like here we get New York City channels and one time used get Boston here until 15 plus years ago..

Today why bother having out of market channels in the line up since the programming gets blocked by the Syndie exclusive rule and network blocked programming.Dont see any since having these channels in the lineup and tying up the bandwidth too...Unless some people don't mind catching the stations local news and infomercials late night...

I'll let you guys know now and apologize if I dont respond right away since I'm very busy here......

 

[crainbebo]

Since I've moved to Ellensburg, my Yakima news watching has gone way down, and my KOMO/KING viewing has gone up. Sure network stuff is blacked out, but at least I still get news from a reliable, better-quality station. Also they keep most syndicated shows on, like Kelly Clarkson on KOMO, in case I missed the KIMA airing.

 

[centerfreqradio]

Since I've moved to Ellensburg, my Yakima news watching has gone way down, and my KOMO/KING viewing has gone up. Sure network stuff is blacked out, but at least I still get news from a reliable, better-quality station. Also they keep most syndicated shows on, like Kelly Clarkson on KOMO, in case I missed the KIMA airing.

Hi crainbebo.Yes I do enjoy the NYC news then the local stations.For the number one market.I hope so....Also its good for people that used too live in the city but still keep on tab on whats going on in their old stomping ground.....ET is blocked here from WCBS and some others are.....

 

[KML0224]

You must be in Hartford/New Haven?

Cable in New Britain, CT once carried WWOR-TV, WPIX-TV and WSBK-TV. The SYNDEX rule took WPIX-TV away on July 1, 1990. It was replaced with in-market WTWS-TV (IND) channel 26 of New London. [They're WHPX-TV (ION) today.] We then ended up with WWOR-TV EMI Service. The last bits of WSBK-TV was maybe by the end of 1999 or so. Today, the only out-of-market Comcast carries in New Britain is WGBY-TV (PBS) channel 57 of Springfield, MA.

 

[crainbebo]

Wheel/Jeopardy are blacked out on KOMO-4. Of course KNDO-23 airs them at the same hour and order, so I can see why they black it out.
BUT...if I move to Wenatchee I get everything from Seattle with no blackouts! It's still considered Seattle DMA, barely. There are a few Spokane stations on cable and also on translators, as far west as Leavenworth. Chelan WA is the same thing.

 

[Mr Tony]

I guess my cable company (Consolidated) doesn't care here in Mankato, MN because they don't black anything out. Technically they should be blacking out network programming on WCCO CBS Minneapolis and KMSP FOX Minneapolis as Mankato has its own CBS & FOX (KEYC). But they don't...yay me! (they also dont black out any syndicated programming either)

Mankato just got a NBC & CW this week (before 12/1 Mankato was a one station market...KEYC) but neither have been added to cable. CW will just place the CW+ cable only feed.

 

[itsTheRolyPoly]

Here at Cox Gainesville, I have WJXT Jacksonville on 19 but that's only because WJXT provided CBS here in Gainesville when there wasn't a local CBS until 2002.

It also used to have WESH Daytona Beach because there was no NBC until WNBW in 2009. Despite that, WESH continued to be carried until like 2013 or 2014 around there when they finally dropped it.

I haven't done much research on other stations from Jacksonville or Orlando yet to see if any of them were also carried by Cox Gainesville in the past. Its still possible but its more rare now these days but if there's still two networks in one area, they'll take the preferred one over the other (i.e. WFTS over WWSB.)

 

[Mgomrjsurf]

KS Side KC area also gets KTWU SD but not it's Sub Channels.

 

[WheelRob]

Xfinity in the Danbury, CT area has slowly been dropping the Hartford/New Haven channels over the years since we're in the NYC DMA and get all of the NYC stations and their subs. WTNH/ABC was dropped a few years ago and soon replaced with the MeTV affiliate serving NYC based out of Jersey. WCCT/CW was dropped a few months ago. I don't recall Xfinity here ever carrying WTIC/FOX, or WCTX/MyTV (despite being WTNH's sister station).

We do still get WFSB/CBS and WVIT/NBC, in addition to WCBS and WNBC, and no programming, network or syndicated, is blacked out on the CT ones.

 

[ftballfan]

A few weeks ago, I stayed at a hotel in Ludington, MI (Traverse City DMA). Charter there carries WZZM (ABC), WXSP (MNT), and WGVU (PBS) from Grand Rapids and none of them were blacked out. Until the late 2000s, WBAY (ABC), WFRV (CBS), and WLUK (FOX) from Green Bay were carried in Ludington.

However, Manistee, 20 miles to the north and also served by Charter, hasn't carried anything out of market since the early 1990s (the last ones were WZZM, WBAY, and WLUK, which were replaced with movie channels despite being on the FCC SV List for Manistee County [the cable company serving Manistee at the time carried A LOT of movie channels; in the mid-1990s they had 10 premium channels on a roughly 50 channel lineup!])

 

[Megatron]

Outside of the Superstations Cablevision only aired WKBD channel 50 out in Detroit you could call it a local superstation which was in 80% of Michigan at one time I think WKBD went off in fall of 93 not sure thou as I didn't have Cablevision at the time. Also did have PBS out of Chi along with WGVU the local PBS TV station Charter got rid of it in the fall of 2007.

Adelphia Had WNDU NBC out of South Bend along with WSBT CBS also South Bend, WWOR out of NYC Adelphia took it off on Dec, 31 1994 had to do with it being UPN in Jan Of 95, WSYM Fox47 in Lansing and that was it outside of the superstations on Adelphia now Comcast largely on the west side of Kazoo older neighborhoods which is now Comcast. Surprised Adelphia didn't have WZZM did have WOTV for ABC wasn't until Jan of 2006 when Comcast added them to the lineup Charter had both since the Cablevision days also kinda surprised that WKBD wasn't on Adelphia. All the stations went bye bye bye on Adelphia on New Years Day 2000 as my friend told me.

 

[ftballfan]

Outside of the Superstations Cablevision only aired WKBD channel 50 out in Detroit you could call it a local superstation which was in 80% of Michigan at one time I think WKBD went off in fall of 93 not sure thou as I didn't have Cablevision at the time. Also did have PBS out of Chi along with WGVU the local PBS TV station Charter got rid of it in the fall of 2007.

Adelphia Had WNDU NBC out of South Bend along with WSBT CBS also South Bend, WWOR out of NYC Adelphia took it off on Dec, 31 1994 had to do with it being UPN in Jan Of 95, WSYM Fox47 in Lansing and that was it outside of the superstations on Adelphia now Comcast largely on the west side of Kazoo older neighborhoods which is now Comcast. Surprised Adelphia didn't have WZZM did have WOTV for ABC wasn't until Jan of 2006 when Comcast added them to the lineup Charter had both since the Cablevision days also kinda surprised that WKBD wasn't on Adelphia. All the stations went bye bye bye on Adelphia on New Years Day 2000 as my friend told me.

Surprised WKAR was never carried on either Cablevision/Charter or Adelphia/Comcast. Also, did WGVU get WTTW kicked off Charter? If so, that would be a very rare case of a PBS member being kicked off a cable system because of complaints from another member

 

[crainbebo]

Yesterday while working, I had to stay until 9pm, so I missed the Seahawks game (which ended up being a loss to L.A.). I was able to get my late 10-minute break to listen to Steve Raible out in the car. Mentioned that to a customer and they said 'we miss Steve Raible...the cable provider took KIRO off a few years ago.' I think KIRO was listed on Zap2It listings for Ellensburg up until 2015 or 2016, maybe. There's an apartment complex called The Verge with its own lineup, NOT Spectrum. It's ran by a company called Pavlov Media, which provides internet/TV to apartment communities near university campuses. It's about 1/2 mile from where I live. They get KNDO and KAPP Yakima for NBC/ABC. They get KIRO, KCPQ and KSTW Seattle for CBS/FOX/CW. No MyNetworkTV. No idea how they get away with that. Especially since many big syndicated shows like Kelly Clarkson, Dr. Phil and Inside Edition go uncleared on that cable provider. And it's Yakima DMA.
I'm guessing KIRO went off Spectrum because they didn't have 'other' local programs. KIRO only has news operating locally (and Steve Raible's Seahawks show). KING and KOMO have Seattle Refined and New Day and Take 5. Programming from CBS was blacked out like the other stations from Seattle.