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February 2020 Nielsen

tbolt909

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Latest 12+ numbers have WYRK slipping into the #3 spot. Their money demos are likely still solid, but their days of double digit shares in 12+ are over. Even without a direct format competitor, they seem to be fading.

The pandemic will certainly impact future books, but probably not in a positive way for anybody...
 
Latest 12+ numbers have WYRK slipping into the #3 spot. Their money demos are likely still solid, but their days of double digit shares in 12+ are over. Even without a direct format competitor, they seem to be fading.

If you look back at last year's numbers, WYRK basically did the same thing last winter. Country is typically weaker in the winter, stronger in the summer.
 
More impressive to me is Star's climb over the last six months. I guess they're not missing Roger, huh? Speaking of WECK, the dream of a 4.0 share seems to be fading. Buddy will be here momentarily to point out that he's still beating Jack.
 
More impressive to me is Star's climb over the last six months. I guess they're not missing Roger, huh? Speaking of WECK, the dream of a 4.0 share seems to be fading. Buddy will be here momentarily to point out that he's still beating Jack.

You are very short sighted and you brought up the fact that we beat jack,not me. Wait til we get our biggest FM yet in early April at 100.1. You must be a DJ, if you think star went up because roger is not there. The diary system is full of ****. When WECK covers another 200000 population with the new frequency, let’s talk then. Weck was not the only station to fade a bit. Htt should be worried, jack should be worried, edge should be worried, kiss should be worried, Lkk should be worried, and those are FULL POWER STATIONS. Mine is not. Get a grip. YOUR flame has faded. !
 
The diary system is full of ****.

Oh, please.

I remember when Owen Charlebois was head of Arbitron he said to me that there were three kinds of ratings subscribers:

First, those that went up in the latest book. It was, of course, because the station was so very good and well managed and programmed.

Second were those that stayed the same. They were encouraged by the stability of the results.

Then, third, were those who went down. Of course, it was due to the terrible work of the ratings company.
 
Buddy continues to blame Nielsen for its methodology. 6 months ago he was singing a different tune and making ludicrous boasts. If Nielsen is total BS, then sell your clients without it. Simple.

WECK is an Oldies format. Almost all of its audience must be over 60. It's unrealistic to think that the format will have much appeal to 30-50 year olds. That's not criticism, just reality. Adding low powered FM translators won't change this. An Oldies format is not going to double its ratings when its demos are 60+...
 
Healthy cume. Shares down. Good news: Cume says listeners are checking in. Bad news: AQH says they're not hanging around. What does that point to?
 
Oh, please.

I remember when Owen Charlebois was head of Arbitron he said to me that there were three kinds of ratings subscribers:

First, those that went up in the latest book. It was, of course, because the station was so very good and well managed and programmed.

Second were those that stayed the same. They were encouraged by the stability of the results.

Then, third, were those who went down. Of course, it was due to the terrible work of the ratings company.

So David, you have said yourself that PPM is more accurate. Is that not true? Explain to me why the diary rating are so accurate. I really want to know what you think.
 
Buddy continues to blame Nielsen for its methodology. 6 months ago he was singing a different tune and making ludicrous boasts. If Nielsen is total BS, then sell your clients without it. Simple.

WECK is an Oldies format. Almost all of its audience must be over 60. It's unrealistic to think that the format will have much appeal to 30-50 year olds. That's not criticism, just reality. Adding low powered FM translators won't change this. An Oldies format is not going to double its ratings when its demos are 60+...

Adding low power FM's won't help this? 70% of WECK cume is on FM - wait til 100.1 comes along in a few weeks. We'll see what you think
 
So David, you have said yourself that PPM is more accurate. Is that not true? Explain to me why the diary rating are so accurate. I really want to know what you think.

Remember that radio did not demand the PPM... the agencies and advertisers kept saying that the results were not timely, not immediate, too old.

So Arbitron created a system agencies liked. Since Arbitron beat The Pulse and Nielsen into oblivion by selling first to agencies, they knew what they were doing when it became time for the PPM. They sold the idea to agencies and radio more or less had to follow ad buyer requests and demands.

The PPM measures real time, and has two "dimensions" which are cume and time spent listening. The diary had three dimensions: it measured cume and TSL, but also measured each listener's memory as generally it was filled in once a day at best.

The biggest differences are in two areas:

First, stations that are secondary to a person are not always remembered by diarykeepers. So they lost lots of diary entries.

Second, in the diary people wrote, for example, at work listening as "9 AM to 5 PM WXXX". In fact, bathroom breaks, coffee breaks, lunch hour, phone calls, meeting or conferences or time away from the work station were not noted; PPM at work listening is in little pieces with lots of interruptions and generally about a third of the diary listening.

The biggest unexpected negative of the PPM is that Persons Using Radio fell by about a third, so agencies began paying much less for spots.
 
Do one of you Programming guys want to explain that to Buddy? He might need some help since it's not Sales - his area of expertise.

Station owners tend to know a lot about all aspects of operation.

Before consolidation, a manager had to be able to understand the needs of engineering, accounting, traffic, programming, sales, promotion and everything else.

All of us who have been successful managers have found that we might like certain areas better than others and be proficient in them. So we tried to hire experts in the other areas and trust their advice and judgement.

Good owner-operators understand all aspects of their operation.

Oh, and if I'm not mistaken, Buddy began in programming and moved to sales and then management because, like the bank robber said, "that's where the money is".
 
Yes, my expertise is sales. That's why I own the stations!


When WECK was up in the ratings 6 months ago, Nielsen was as good as gold. When the ratings slide backward, it's unfair, unjust, and inaccurate. It's always someone else's fault. Maybe the on air personnel changes affected the ratings. Maybe an Oldies format has a finite number of potential listeners. There are many variables.

Arbitron had planned to expand PPM a long time ago. The 2008 recession helped to end that idea. I don't think Nielsen has plans of bringing PPM to Buffalo anytime soon...
 
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Remember that radio did not demand the PPM... the agencies and advertisers kept saying that the results were not timely, not immediate, too old.

So Arbitron created a system agencies liked. Since Arbitron beat The Pulse and Nielsen into oblivion by selling first to agencies, they knew what they were doing when it became time for the PPM. They sold the idea to agencies and radio more or less had to follow ad buyer requests and demands.

The PPM measures real time, and has two "dimensions" which are cume and time spent listening. The diary had three dimensions: it measured cume and TSL, but also measured each listener's memory as generally it was filled in once a day at best.

The biggest differences are in two areas:

First, stations that are secondary to a person are not always remembered by diarykeepers. So they lost lots of diary entries.

Second, in the diary people wrote, for example, at work listening as "9 AM to 5 PM WXXX". In fact, bathroom breaks, coffee breaks, lunch hour, phone calls, meeting or conferences or time away from the work station were not noted; PPM at work listening is in little pieces with lots of interruptions and generally about a third of the diary listening.

The biggest unexpected negative of the PPM is that Persons Using Radio fell by about a third, so agencies began paying much less for spots.


Dave, do you actually believe the diary rating is up to date and correct?. I say this as a station owner who had a 3.7 share a few months ago, while a 2.4 share now. Still, a respectable number for a 1,000 watt AM. We did change change programming one bit between the 2 ratings I just gave you. Neilson itself told me “ the diaries are just not getting to your 70000 cume” They told me that! The fact that no one I know has ever got a diary, the fact that friends of people I know got a diary and just throw it away, it’s a **** show. When I was at Entercom, they believed the same thing I do. I don’t care if we get a 5 or 1 share. It’s all over the road! I have never seen so many 50000 watt stations in Buffalo with a 4 share or below. Explain that to me. You seem like you have insight, but you still have not said why the ratings on diaries in Buffalo are accurate. Explain why they are accurate.
 
When WECK was up in the ratings 6 months ago, Nielsen was as good as gold. When the ratings slide backward, it's unfair, unjust, and inaccurate. It's always someone else's fault. Maybe the on air personnel changes affected the ratings. Maybe an Oldies format has a finite number of potential listeners. There are many variables.

Arbitron had planned to expand PPM a long time ago. The 2008 recession helped to end that idea. I don't think Nielsen has plans of bringing PPM to Buffalo anytime soon...

Does Entercom own their stations outright *******? I own it out right in 24 months dude. 5 year term note. You try doing that!
 
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