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103.5 KYBY and KCYB interference in Magnolia

Both stations are properly separated. There is an area where both stations mingle on the dial but it is outside both station's protected coverage area.
 
KCYB and KYBY are pretty much stuck where they are. The two transmitters are 15 miles apart, so minimum separation requirements are met.

I've considered possibilities for a new frequency for either KCYB or KYBY, but there is nothing available that meets current co-channel and first adjacent separation requirements. The FM band in southeast Texas is too crowded.

The proposals for allowing directional antennas for LPFMs might help this particular situation. Currently most of KCYB's signal is wasted over unpopulated areas. Were they able to throw a fairly tight lobe to the east, the station would better cover the populated 290 corridor between the Grand Parkway and FM1960 (which is its intended audience anyway) while suppressing signal towards Magnolia.

The current 22 watt KCYB signal can get out quite a way--I've heard it in the parking lot of First Colony Mall some 30 miles to the south, as well as in Chappell Hill, 32 miles to the west. KYBY can get out as well; I can hear it in KCYB dead spots in the Willowbrook Mall area.

The impending downgrade of KBPA in Austin should eliminate another source of interference to KCYB and KBPA. The current KBPA signal is a blowtorch that can often be heard in the western parts of Houston metro.
 
stan said:
It would be better for KYBY to just go away.
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For whom? Tom Conley would certainly disagree with your assessment. I would suspect that a large percentage of the student body, alumni, and staff of Magnolia High School would as well. KYBY-LP has done exactly what Mr. Conley intended for it to do when the decision was made to apply for the initial construction permit. That concept was to provide a community based aural service, for the residents of Magnolia, by residents of Magnolia. Backyard Radio has been a fantastic example of what LPFM's were actually intended to do.

I have heard KCYB-LP in my travels as well. Sounds like they are doing everything in their power to provide the same for their own community.
 
cotton belt said:
For whom? Tom Conley would certainly disagree with your assessment. I would suspect that a large percentage of the student body, alumni, and staff of Magnolia High School would as well. KYBY-LP has done exactly what Mr. Conley intended for it to do when the decision was made to apply for the initial construction permit. That concept was to provide a community based aural service, for the residents of Magnolia, by residents of Magnolia. Backyard Radio has been a fantastic example of what LPFM's were actually intended to do.

I have heard KCYB-LP in my travels as well. Sounds like they are doing everything in their power to provide the same for their own community.
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But but... radio geeks/radio people forget others dont listen to radio like they do.. whereas you or i might listen to a noisy signal, the average joe schmoe wont.
 
SomeRadioGuy said:
But but... radio geeks/radio people forget others dont listen to radio like they do.. whereas you or i might listen to a noisy signal, the average joe schmoe wont.
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Yes, of course. However, in the town of Magnolia itself, KYBY-LP is readily available on any type of radio that the average joe schmoe may choose to use. There is no noisy signal in the town the station has committed to serve, and no reason why it and KCYB-LP can not continue to exist as they currently are.

I can not, for the life of me, understand why anyone, radio geek, DXer, or the like, would want them to just go away. That is no "radio geek"; those are the words of a radio hater.
 
cotton belt said:
Yes, of course. However, in the town of Magnolia itself, KYBY-LP is readily available on any type of radio that the average joe schmoe may choose to use. There is no noisy signal in the town the station has committed to serve, and no reason why it and KCYB-LP can not continue to exist as they currently are.

I can not, for the life of me, understand why anyone, radio geek, DXer, or the like, would want them to just go away. That is no "radio geek"; those are the words of a radio hater.
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that was my point, CB.. I bet their signal is just fine in their local, committed to serve, service area. We radio geeks are the only ones listening to an LPFM 15 miles away
 
I just want to say again I love both stations. I would like to be able to listen to KYBY-LP 4-6 miles away decently without hearing KCYB-LP when I turn off a main road making it unlistenable. The station is great in the main town around 2 miles away from the transmitter. Past that in certain spots when I’m still, I can get KCYB. I just know there would be a better frequency that one could change to like 94.9 (maybe not KCYB), 106.3, or maybe 107.3. That way the range would be greater for both stations. Like how I can still hear KTTF in The Woodlands (when K237FS doesn’t interfere lol).
 
jayyysmith1103 said:
I just know there would be a better frequency that one could change to like 94.9 (maybe not KCYB), 106.3, or maybe 107.3.
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No to all three. KLVL translator is on 94.9; way too close to KCYB and would interfere with KYBY.

106.3 is first-adjacent short spaced to KOVE, so no go. Same with 107.3, first-adjacent short spaced to KGLK. In both cases KYBY misses by just a few miles, so if separation requirements were slightly relaxed, these would work.
 
cotton belt said:
That is no "radio geek"; those are the words of a Radio Hater.
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Really? Using the term "radio hater" on a radio discussions website? There are a few of us radio geeks who don't want to be out for a drive, make a left turn, lose one tiny signal, and receive another, then hear them battle each other down the road. The FM spectrum is now over-stuffed with mostly useless signals, some of which operate well beyond their licensed power which blot out the compliant signals. The FCC has created a monster that clutters our radios, while it refuses to enforce its own rules.
 
ThatVoice22 said:
Really? Using the term "radio hater" on a radio discussions website?
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Whenever the term fits, then yes, really.

ThatVoice22 said:
There are a few of us radio geeks who don't want to be out for a drive, make a left turn, lose one tiny signal, and receive another, then hear them battle each other down the road.
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Then you really should try listening to a station with a little more power than 1 watt. You have thoroughly and completely missed the entire point of the LPFM service, as it was originally intended. Sadly, there are several LPFM operators who row that particular boat besides you.

ThatVoice22 said:
The FM spectrum is now over-stuffed with mostly useless signals, some of which operate well beyond their licensed power which blot out the compliant signals.
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Says who, you? They are useless to you, so they are just useless period, eh? "Blot" out compliant signals? Sounds to me like the start of a Tide commercial. Who is telling you these signals are operating "well beyond their licensed power"? Are you using a signal meter to test this, or are you just guessing they are over the licensed limit?

ThatVoice22 said:
The FCC has created a monster that clutters our radios, while it refuses to enforce its own rules.
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1-888-225-5322
It's even a toll free number. Complain directly to the Commission, instead of ranting here on a "radio discussions website".
 
As I recall KBPA would take over KCYB pretty quickly at times but most days it was not an issue. With the CP to move KBPA, I think that will become a thing of the past.
 
b-turner said:
As I recall KBPA would take over KCYB pretty quickly at times but most days it was not an issue. With the CP to move KBPA, I think that will become a thing of the past.
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That is correct. In this respect, KBPA has been a problem for years. It was the sole reason why Ben Amato moved his station up to 103.7, and that was all the way over in Huntsville. Backyard Radio knew what operating on 103.5 entailed, and I have little doubt the Cypress group performed their own due diligence and was fully aware of the issues dealing with KBPA on the same channel. As mentioned, this will all be problems of the past once Waterloo makes the adjustments to downgrade the facility.

Here's a thought. With the downgrade of both KBPA and KXAI in the works, wouldn't that open up Estrella Media to, perhaps, give another look at repositioning the tower coordinates of KJOJ-FM?
 
cotton belt said:
Here's a thought. With the downgrade of both KBPA and KXAI in the works, wouldn't that open up Estrella Media to, perhaps, give another look at repositioning the tower coordinates of KJOJ-FM?
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If you are thinking of better Houston coverage, you still have second adjacent KLTN keeping 103.3 as a rimshot. And the longstanding CP for KJOJ has never been built, so I doubt Estrella Media will spend the money on it now.
 
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