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KULF AM

Well I gave it a try. As you probably know KULF AM is on the block. Price too steep for me. I submitted a bid, and waited. Un-returned phone calls and no replies to emails, plus seeing ad again in trades for sale. Guess not meant to be. Oh well. At least I gave it a shot.

Was looking forward to working with some of you again.
 
Well I gave it a try. As you probably know KULF AM is on the block. Price too steep for me. I submitted a bid, and waited. Un-returned phone calls and no replies to emails, plus seeing ad again in trades for sale. Guess not meant to be. Oh well. At least I gave it a shot.

Was looking forward to working with some of you again.

James Su paid too much... $2.3 million last year. Henderson sold for $500 k in 2009. It is hard to imagin that a daytime AM station increased in value in the last decade.
 
No AM station is worth over 2 million even with prime real estate. Maybe with a Transalator covering the city possibly.

Some of the fulltime, good signal stations are worth more than that.

KTRH, based on a really conservative AM valuation at 2 x billing is worth over $25 million without real estate.

Of course, who would pay that? The real price issue is that there are no buyers right now except for a few special interest groups.

Going by same multiple, KBME is worth about $8 million, KCOH about $3.5, KEYH about $2 million, KILT over $15 million and KPRC around $6 million. Even KXYZ is worth over $3 million.

Of course, were any for sale, a buyer would question whether a station that is part of a cluster and sold in a package could sustain the billing as a stand-alone or as part of a different cluster.

All AMs in Houston billed over $50 million last year. That amount of revenue is greater than the entire market revenue in New Orleans, for example.
 
5 x cash flow plus radio signal like KTRH with a good format yes. But I don't see small AM stations like KLVL,KULF,KYND going for nearly 3million.
 
Some of the fulltime, good signal stations are worth more than that.

KTRH, based on a really conservative AM valuation at 2 x billing is worth over $25 million without real estate.

Of course, who would pay that? The real price issue is that there are no buyers right now except for a few special interest groups.

Going by same multiple, KBME is worth about $8 million, KCOH about $3.5, KEYH about $2 million, KILT over $15 million and KPRC around $6 million. Even KXYZ is worth over $3 million.

Of course, were any for sale, a buyer would question whether a station that is part of a cluster and sold in a package could sustain the billing as a stand-alone or as part of a different cluster.

All AMs in Houston billed over $50 million last year. That amount of revenue is greater than the entire market revenue in New Orleans, for example.



What's KGOW worth?
 
Keep in mind many stations like KULF may have had an arrangement where the buyer leased for several years with a percentage of that lease applied to the purchase price of the station. On the other hand you might see a really low price on a station but the buyer is assuming a note or leasing the studio and/or tower site from the seller.
 
A monthly rent payment.

lol

well you know i had to ask.


I mean really, whats it worth if someone were to buy it? Could one maybe downgrade it less towers, less restrictive signal and maybe do something with it?

FYI: Im not one who is likely to say... save all ams, they all have potential, in fact the opposite after 17 years in radio.. i can see the business side of things but always like to ask these questions before i sign the death warrant, so to speak
 
I mean really, whats it worth if someone were to buy it? Could one maybe downgrade it less towers, less restrictive signal and maybe do something with it?

For the KGOW Vietnamese format, the current night array is actually the best option. Aims its major lobe right at the southwest part of the market, where the target demos are. I haven't heard the day array on the air for quite some time, at least when I've DF'ed the day signal with a portable radio.

I have noticed KULF back on the air recently, after almost eight months of silence. Appears to be Chinese language programming, but haven't listened enough to determine if it is the same origination as before. No longer able to hear its 102.5 translator due to KJFI.
 
For the KGOW Vietnamese format, the current night array is actually the best option. Aims its major lobe right at the southwest part of the market, where the target demos are. I haven't heard the day array on the air for quite some time, at least when I've DF'ed the day signal with a portable radio.

I have noticed KULF back on the air recently, after almost eight months of silence. Appears to be Chinese language programming, but haven't listened enough to determine if it is the same origination as before. No longer able to hear its 102.5 translator due to KJFI.

KULF Transmitter OFF THE AIR. Tech issues.
 
For the KGOW Vietnamese format, the current night array is actually the best option. Aims its major lobe right at the southwest part of the market, where the target demos are. I haven't heard the day array on the air for quite some time, at least when I've DF'ed the day signal with a portable radio.

I would agree with your assessment, Mediafrog, but the original 800 watt signal coming from the south loop would have been plenty sufficient for this format. Add a 250 watt FM translator for it on the same stick that KILE was operating, and that would have made tremendous business sense for the station.

As it stands in the current configuration, with 1560 at significantly higher wattage, requiring several towers, which are spread over two different and distant sites, and having no FM translator whatsoever, targeting SW Houston and Bellaire with a Vietnamese language format that can be now be heard nearly 'round the clock in the eastern half of our State, and clear to Laramie freaking Wyoming at night, your vision for KGOW is simply no longer enough.
 
As it stands in the current configuration, with 1560 at significantly higher wattage, requiring several towers, which are spread over two different and distant sites, and having no FM translator whatsoever, targeting SW Houston and Bellaire with a Vietnamese language format that can be now be heard nearly 'round the clock in the eastern half of our State, and clear to Laramie freaking Wyoming at night, your vision for KGOW is simply no longer enough.

Not quite.

First, you can't compare DX reception with normal audience coverage. Under that standard, then 250-watt KIKI 830 in Honolulu was received by me in Ohio... so I guess 250 watts in Honolulu was too much?

The day usable (10 mv/m) coverage of KGOW on that dreadful high frequency is less than 3.5 million people in a market of almost 7 million. And I am being generous with the usable coverage area. At night, it serves less than 25% of the market. Remember, 50 kw on 1600 covers less than 1 kw on 550 (with identical locations and conductivity).

1560 is not a good general market facility for Houston, but for an ethnic group that is concentrated in a certain area within their usable coverage, it could be quite viable for at least a generation.
 
Not quite.

First, you can't compare DX reception with normal audience coverage. Under that standard, then 250-watt KIKI 830 in Honolulu was received by me in Ohio... so I guess 250 watts in Honolulu was too much?

The day usable (10 mv/m) coverage of KGOW on that dreadful high frequency is less than 3.5 million people in a market of almost 7 million. And I am being generous with the usable coverage area. At night, it serves less than 25% of the market. Remember, 50 kw on 1600 covers less than 1 kw on 550 (with identical locations and conductivity).

1560 is not a good general market facility for Houston, but for an ethnic group that is concentrated in a certain area within their usable coverage, it could be quite viable for at least a generation.

Again, if the end result was to target the Vietnamese community in southwest Houston with brokered programming, it could have been done with the original 800 watt set up that RAFTT used. Remember, KILE was South Asian block programming, prior to the Gow purchase. It covered SW Houston, and the aforementioned Vietnamese community within, quite nicely at 800w, although it was mostly programming to the Hindu community at the time. It doesn't need the current 46,000 watts to accomplish what Mediafrog envisions. It doesn't "need" to cover anything other than what it once did as KILE, considering its current audience. It certainly doesn't need a signal that reaches here in ETX like a local, nor make nightly visits to Wyoming and beyond. You may have misread the point I made. No one cares about someone being able to DX a signal from afar, other than a DXer. However, given what "the flagship of Gow Media" is currently airing, the entire process and expense that Gow went through from the initial purchase in 2007 up to current was for naught. 1560 is back to brokering time, just as it was when he found it on the market. Only, there's a hell of a lot more invested into it now; much more so than there ever was in the initial move to Houston.
 
KULF is ON the air at an 11:35am check today. Chinese language programming.

KULF Was heard by a DXer in eastern Arkansas well after dark early this past week
 
KULF Was heard by a DXer in eastern Arkansas well after dark early this past week

A fantastic example of how the once powerful and mighty signal of "K Double A Y" has shrunk. I mean, I know it's directional, but the DXer heard KULF in eastern Arkansas? Didn't Cumulus fairly recently restore the 3 tower night array, bringing it back to 50,000 around the clock? It remains the only thing audible on 1090 at night, here in ETX, but the signal strength has noticeably diminished, even after the return to normal operations.

No sign of KULF at an 11pm check just now, btw.
 
Again, if the end result was to target the Vietnamese community in southwest Houston with brokered programming, it could have been done with the original 800 watt set up that RAFTT used.

The previous 800 watt signal was lousy in most of the market. And, it had a directional pattern originating south of Loop 610 aimed right at Belllaire, so the signal in SW Houston would not have been good.

The big day and night signal upgrades were to facilitate the SportsTalk format that Gow launched, with great fanfare, in 2007. According to the hype, "1560 The Game" was to be the new future of sports radio, with different programming and sales philosophies. IIRC, the first two 50kw transmitters at the day site were manufacturer lemons, which delayed KGOW from getting up to full power. This was well before the flooding issues plagued the day site. Then there was the original KGOW night signal, only 100 watts from the Galleria area which covered very little of the metro. The eventual night site in west Harris County helped, but due to other stations on the frequency, has to settle for very tightly restricted coverage.

I never cared for "The Game" as it was mostly moronic "guy talk." Unfortunately too much of that still infects the current SportsTalk on 97.5, although nowhere near the same extent 1560 had.

It doesn't need the current 46,000 watts to accomplish what Mediafrog envisions. It doesn't "need" to cover anything other than what it once did as KILE, considering its current audience.

But the current facilities are what they've got. I would guess the previous 800 watt site is long gone. And I don't think the day site is in use right now; every time I check during the day the station is transmitting from its night site (easy for me to DF at my Cy-Fair location as the two sites are 90 degrees apart.) And the 15kw directional signal from the night site is aimed directly at the parts of town where Vietnamese demographics are concentrated. If it were me, and VietRadio was in it for the long haul, I'd forget about the current day site and permanently go full time from the night site.

It certainly doesn't need a signal that reaches here in ETX like a local, nor make nightly visits to Wyoming and beyond.

The fact that it is being heard in Wyoming would seem to indicate that the night array is badly out of whack. I have to wonder how much of KGOW's transmitter woes are due to inadequate engineering expertise--we are constantly hearing that competent broadcast transmitter engineers are getting harder to find, as younger people with technical talent are going into more lucrative high tech industries.

I wonder if co-channel KTXZ in Austin, whose own transmitter is only 110 miles west of the KGOW night site, is experiencing more interference.

However, given what "the flagship of Gow Media" is currently airing, the entire process and expense that Gow went through from the initial purchase in 2007 up to current was for naught. 1560 is back to brokering time, just as it was when he found it on the market. Only, there's a hell of a lot more invested into it now; much more so than there ever was in the initial move to Houston.

Gow has probably been pulverized by the current pandemic; its web properties are focused on entertainment, cultural, and dining activities which are currently nonexistent or are in deep financial trouble. And there have been no sports to talk about on 97.5. They've gotta be hurting. The end game is probably a sale to a bigger conglomerate, with the radio stations being spun off, though I doubt that is happening any time soon.
 
A fantastic example of how the once powerful and mighty signal of "K Double A Y" has shrunk. I mean, I know it's directional, but the DXer heard KULF in eastern Arkansas? Didn't Cumulus fairly recently restore the 3 tower night array, bringing it back to 50,000 around the clock? It remains the only thing audible on 1090 at night, here in ETX, but the signal strength has noticeably diminished, even after the return to normal operations.

No sign of KULF at an 11pm check just now, btw.


Someone in NW Indiana heard KULF at 1230am eastern time tonight (Sunday into monday)

KAAY is operating with 12.5kw non directional at night after one of the towers collapsed when a guy wire broke
 
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