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The Kuhner Report - Saturday Edition

It seems that those of us who have an affinity for the programming of WBZ and WRKO are often treated with disdain by other posters because we expect better,

No disdain at all. You're unfortunately hung up on the color of the tablecloth instead of the quality of the food. Constantly nitpicking about things that have nothing to do with the reason why you listen. Plus you're making up reasons why certain things happen. Its very possible they ran the same show several times because that was the show the producer left for the engineer to run. The engineer hears it, and recognizes it's a repeat, but that's what the guy responsible gave him to run.

There are lots of reasons why things happen. But instead, you make up theories and then say those made-up theories are why the entire industry will fall apart. You're basing all of that on a false premise. But as I said, that's the kind of thing these talk show hosts do every day. So we have trained you to think like that.
 
Sometimes it's frustrating to post a comment here only to have it slammed by others because we're not "insiders" and/or can't be fully "in the know".

Totally agree. It's a shame because only a couple of posters here behave that way. These kinds of replies are actually ad hominem attacks because they tell us what we should do (turn off the radio) or what we should feel (you're not being sensitive.) Statements like, "You're unfortunately hung up ...," and "you make up theories ...,) have no place in these forums, IMO. I don't understand the hostility toward anyone who points out that attention to detail might help improve the listening experience. It won't necessarily improve the bottom line but what's the harm in trying to do better?

I also don't understand the need to conflate a single mistake such as a typo ("That may be the only way for pot-pandemic radio stations to ...,") with systemic indifference. Mistakes happen, we know that and we all make them. It's when mistakes occur over and over and over and for long periods of time that it doesn't hurt to point them out.

I believe these forums would be more popular without the constant lecturing from those who consider themselves the ultimate experts.
 
These kinds of replies are actually ad hominem attacks because they tell us what we should do (turn off the radio) or what we should feel (you're not being sensitive.)

We just want you to be happy since it's obvious little things like a technical snafu bother you. Nobody is attacking you, just providing helpful advice.

"If it hurts when you do that, don't do that." Very simple.
 
I believe these forums would be more popular without the constant lecturing from those who consider themselves the ultimate experts.

You are confusing reality checks with lecturing.

Radio revenue is off about 60% in inflation-adjusted dollars in just 15 years. To remain profitable, costs have to be cut. That requires automation, consolidation and shared resources. It also requires staff to be multi-faceted and to be able to manage several stations at once.

All of this is new in both the technical and human aspects. It takes time to adapt to new systems, but there is really no choice. If a programmer is responsible for 5 to 10 stations, some in different markets, they can't follow each one minute by minute. So little mistakes will happen and it's sort of like the issue of rats in an apartment house basement... you can control them but they will always try to come back!
 
If a programmer is responsible for 5 to 10 stations, some in different markets, they can't follow each one minute by minute.

Again, we're not talking about minute-by-minute, we're talking week-by-week and month-by-month. What I don't understand is why you guys so rabidly defend the status quo. The way things have been done for the past 15 years obviously hadn't worked and you've presented the evidence to prove it.
 
What I don't understand is why you guys so rabidly defend the status quo.

It's NOT the status quo. There are literally thousands of radio stations in this country that run flawlessly every day, every week, every month, and every year. This is an occasional occurrence that you've blown up into something far bigger than it is.
 
Again, we're not talking about minute-by-minute, we're talking week-by-week and month-by-month. What I don't understand is why you guys so rabidly defend the status quo. The way things have been done for the past 15 years obviously hadn't worked and you've presented the evidence to prove it.

I am not defending things others have done. I am telling you why such things are happening, both now during the pandemic and earlier during a period of stagnant revenue.

If you want to blame someone, blame the FCC!

In the early 90's, the FCC decided to allow consolidation because, for decades, half of US radio stations did not make money. And it was getting worse. The final straw on that particular camel's back was Docket 80-90 which allowed many more stations, permitted change of class for FMs and permitted stations to move around the geography to get nearer to big markets.

In small markets, nicely sustaining a few stations, the count doubled and even tripled in some cases. All of them turned unprofitable in many small markets, ranging from Lake City, FL to Grand Junction, CO. Revenue did not increase, but where 4 or 5 stations served a little market, now there were 8 to 10.

And the FMs that moved into bigger markets or the new allocations available by creating sub-classes (C, C1, C2, C3, etc.) ruined many larger markets. Add in the fact that long ago the FCC created classes of both AM and FM that did not and do not serve sprawling urban areas. So many flea powered AMs with 250 to 5,000 watts. And many low power stations from 10 kw to 50 kw... nearly none cover their own market. And FMs in places like NYC limited to 50 kw at 500 feet for a metro that needs at least 100 kw at 2000 feet! The FCC just failed to adapt, and they still are doing that same dance.

The revenue was not growing, but the number of stations was. So more and more stations were marginal or losing money. Then came the recession of 2008, accompanied by the introduction of smartphones and the start of PPM measurement. Each had an effect on revenue or listening. For example, in the top 50 markets which have PPM, listening was seen to be about 30% less than in the diary. So ad agencies paid the same CPM but for lower AQH persons and thus lower spot rates.

So radio has had to adjust. When you lose so much revenue, you can't do the same things. People have to do multiple tasks to stay employed. And then there is the pandemic.

Radio is adjusting to a new reality. Still, nearly 90% of Americans listen weekly... but for less time. We have to find economical ways of meeting the future and creating a different model for survival. What you are hearing are growing pains as we adapt.

My prediction: local radio will cease to exist, and stations will be a linked broadcast of a central format serving perhaps hundreds of markets. That is the model in much of the rest of the world, too. It works. And many if not most AMs will go off the air if the FCC has sense to let translators for existing AMs stand alone if the AM is cancelled.

This is, mostly, 80 years of bad government actions piled high and deep.
 
Radio is adjusting to a new reality. Still, nearly 90% of Americans listen weekly... but for less time. We have to find economical ways of meeting the future and creating a different model for survival. What you are hearing are growing pains as we adapt.

The other thing to point out is radio has only one revenue source: on air advertising. And the same people who complain about mistakes and ownership are the same people who complain about infomercials or too many commercials. So either way, we're screwed. How can we hire staff or make improvements if we're not allowed to make money?
 
My prediction: local radio will cease to exist, and stations will be a linked broadcast of a central format serving perhaps hundreds of markets. That is the model in much of the rest of the world, too. It works. And many if not most AMs will go off the air if the FCC has sense to let translators for existing AMs stand alone if the AM is cancelled.

David, I'd say you are correct. And that could be a good thing. I'd go a step further and predict that FM will also disappear sooner than we think. The infrastructure is complicated and costly, Real Estate for transmitting towers is expensive, "radios" are becoming dinosaurs and terrestrial radio is very long in the tooth. I haven't listened to an OTA radio station, AM or FM, for several years and I don't miss it at all. The content is all that matters and it's available online and on Satellite Radio. Paradigm shifts can happen with surprising speed.

I have no interest in continuing this discussion much longer - the thread is already much too long - but I would like to make one thing clear to David and TheBigA:

My posts here are not "complaints," they are observations. I am not angry nor do I feel that these stations owe me anything. This forum is an aptly named "Discussions" and as such should be an appropriate platform to make observations and to point out areas of broadcasting that could benefit from improvement without being scolded for it.

Another example: the AM Drive show I was listening to this morning (I won't call them out by name) kept quoting the Friday stock market close as the Monday "futures" which was totally incorrect. I heard it shortly after 5 am and it continued right up until 9 am. Once or twice, OK. But several times an hour for four hours, really? It sends a message that terrestrial radio is unreliable.

I stand by my statement at the beginning of this thread:
The takeaway is that nobody from the station is listening, or cares.

David, you make a good point that staff is spread very thin while revenues continue to drop. How about ditching all the social media and other ancillary stuff that requires staff attention and focus on what really matters - the on-air product?
 
David, you make a good point that staff is spread very thin while revenues continue to drop. How about ditching all the social media and other ancillary stuff that requires staff attention and focus on what really matters - the on-air product?

Townsquare, the one company having a smaller than the radio norm for revenue decline, is focused on online with over 300 staffers and no cuts in its digital packages that are sold by the local radio staffs in radio markets.

They learned that having a strong digital offering to combine with radio or even to sell along using local relationship sellers works.

If the FCC would learn that there is no saving technology for AM, and allow those with translators to turn off the AM permanently we would gain significantly. Giving those abandoning AM a special tax credit would help since they would have write-offs to deal with. Translators should be made permanent, with a new class of license... An A2 or something like that.

Instead of encouraging AM with idiotic things like all-digital, the band should be thinned so the few remaining stations could have extensive coverage.

Ratings companies need to figure out how to give broader "audio" ratings and not "radio" ratings as we move into more and more non-AM and FM distribution.

And someone needs to develop a strategy so that online "radio" stations can be profitable without it all going to the music industry, famous for their "peculiar" practices that don't benefit the public.
 
I haven't listened to an OTA radio station, AM or FM, for several years and I don't miss it at all. The content is all that matters and it's available online and on Satellite Radio. Paradigm shifts can happen with surprising speed.


Another example: the AM Drive show I was listening to this morning (I won't call them out by name) kept quoting the Friday stock market close as the Monday "futures" which was totally incorrect. I heard it shortly after 5 am and it continued right up until 9 am. Once or twice, OK. But several times an hour for four hours, really? It sends a message that terrestrial radio is unreliable.

This was the first time you'd listened to an OTA radio station in several years?
 
I listen OTA and talk1200 is constantly screwing up.....they run two newscasts at the same time..fox news and local wbz news, one on top of the other, and, they constantly run ads/promos on top of a program...their timing is off, it's more prevalent on the weekends...the same newscast runs over and over and over, updates every 6 hours or so.....they also run the same ads from RKO done by that dolt kuhner....I listen to talk1200 because I don't want to listen to kuhner but there he is, all over 1200 doing dentist, vision, house painting ads and SMH from 12:05pm to 3:05pm every half hour, yes, every freakin' half hour during the week, there's a promo for kuhner, SMH, I wonder if RKO does promos for Outkick the Coverage which runs on 1200 from 6a-9a??? I turn to RKO at 3 to listen to howie and sometimes I have to shut him off because he stammers and stutters and is phoning it in, that on top of the female twit he has on with him, SMH, but I digress.....on RKO overnite you'll hear the same newscast that ran at 7am the previous morning....I understand everything is done by computer but whoever is programming the news breaks etc is constantly screwing up on 1200.....I have sent emails and I've phoned the station and lvm, but it appears no one from the station actually LISTENS to the station...I've also sent pms through FB and Twitter to talk1200 to no avail, no return call, no return email, no response to pms....one Saturday morning months ago 1200 was airing a local talkshow out of Cleveland...along will all the promos, ads and newscasts from Cleveland.........SMH........and....then there's the dead air....
 
RKO ratings trending upward and they and 1200
should make money with election, coronavirus talk etc. That being said, iHR is indeed being cheap and shoddy and they want to maximize income. They get Kuhner and VB etc to talk about dentists and pillows etc...and run the spots constantly no doubt thrilled to be getting some ad money in these times.

That and the contests Kuhner mentions urging people to text a number, "standard text and message rates apply in this nationwide contest".
(Get ready for spam texts or email...?)
Having a live body there? Someone to properly load files so you don't get yesterday's forecast?
Not on iHeart's life!

I have also heard the "two things at once" and also for awhile due to an automation glitch during Howie you would hear the top or bottom of the hour pre recorded newscast--about 10 minutes late--firing up and pre empting Howie.

Howie may be phoning it in but he rakes in the cash.
And RKO wouldn't have picked him back up in
March of '15 if they didn't need him.
 
I have also heard the "two things at once" and also for awhile due to an automation glitch during Howie you would hear the top or bottom of the hour pre recorded newscast--about 10 minutes late--firing up and pre empting Howie.

To quote the president: "It is what it is."
 
iHeart's Morgan White Jr at WBZ (AM) is still on hold, he said on his Twitter.

@MorganWBZ: "Still no word from WBZ management about my return. Has been over 5 months. All we can do is hope. Perhaps we will hear more in September."
 
RKO ratings trending upward and they and 1200
should make money with election, coronavirus talk etc. That being said, iHR is indeed being cheap and shoddy and they want to maximize income. They get Kuhner and VB etc to talk about dentists and pillows etc...and run the spots constantly no doubt thrilled to be getting some ad money in these times.

That and the contests Kuhner mentions urging people to text a number, "standard text and message rates apply in this nationwide contest".
(Get ready for spam texts or email...?)
Having a live body there? Someone to properly load files so you don't get yesterday's forecast?
Not on iHeart's life!

I have also heard the "two things at once" and also for awhile due to an automation glitch during Howie you would hear the top or bottom of the hour pre recorded newscast--about 10 minutes late--firing up and pre empting Howie.

Howie may be phoning it in but he rakes in the cash.
And RKO wouldn't have picked him back up in
March of '15 if they didn't need him.

I don't listen to kuhner, haven't for about 8 years now, but, someone recently told me that he gives out the text number all wrong....he says seven zero four seven zero, then says that's seventy-four seventy.....um, no, seventy-four seventy looks like this >>7470<<....SMH.
 
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