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WFAN Alters Jingles; A Precursor to Permanent Simulcast Split?

Beginning on either Thu. or Fri. 10/15-10/16/2020, the jingles that play coming out of the top-of-hour Sports Flashes
and the two commercial breaks per hour that would mention both "Sports Radio Sixty-Six and One-O-One-Nine FM"
(and the reverse, mentioning 101-9 first) have been altered
(not re-cut or re-sung) to say "Sports Radio One-O-One-Nine FM" only.

There's been speculation since November 2012 when the FM simulcast began as to how long it would last.
The possibility exists that the national Sports Radio format could move to 660, yet still
they'd use the frequency for the many conflicting game broadcasts between the Yankees, Giants and Nets.
(The NJ Devils have been shuffled off to primarily online-only status with the rare broadcast on 660/101.9 of
their contests vs. either the NY Rangers or NY Islanders as long as they don't conflict with their main "tenants".)

A permanent splitting of the simulcast would have the added benefit of putting most Nets games that are in
conflict on 660 instead of 880, allowing the Newsradio 880 format to have fewer interruptions and more consistency.
(In Fall 2019 and Summer 2020, WFAN has taken advantage of the "95% simulcast rule" to split the signals for
game conflicts between the Yankees, Giants and Nets. Thus, the combined stations continue to get single-line
reporting for a 4 week ratings survey period as long as the simulcast isn't split for more than 33.6 hours per period.)
Maybe Entercom is now confident that even without single line reporting, enough of the
audience has shifted from 660 to 101.9. Thus, the 101.9 signal could hold its own ratings-wise.

Or: does Entercom have any other plans for the 660 signal? Would they sell it? If so, to whom?
I'm assuming it's still handy to have as a "spillover channel", but when do costs outweigh any benefits?
What station would they use as a spillover channel if they ever gave up 660?
880 (likely)? 1010 (highly unlikely)? Any of their FM signals (highly unlikely)?
I don't think a sale would happen (unless they get an offer they could not refuse)
as the signal is likely more valuable to Entercom (currently) than any other operator.
Plus, why go under the market limit of 8 signals (5 FM, 3 AM) if not really necessary?
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Side note: there's the end of the "CBS Sports Radio" branding which (I believe) is scheduled to take
effect by January 2021. Likely they'll go with "Radio.com Sports" as WFAN used that branding with
the NY Yankees radio broadcasts for the just completed 2020 season. The "Sports Radio"
one-minute commentary was also rebranded as a "Radio.com Sports Minute" several months ago.
 
This exact conversation has been going on at the Atlanta board about WSB. They've done a complete rebrand that ignores the legendary AM signal:

https://www.wsbradio.com/

This has caused some Atlantans to wonder what's going to happen to the AM. Split it off for the CBS Sports Network? They could, and that's what Cumulus did with their WMAL simulcast in DC. They turned it into ESPN radio and even put on a live & local morning show. The station barely shows up in the ratings.

My view is they'll treat the way I treated my old car. You just drive it into the ground. Whatever they do, it won't matter.

The CBS Sports Radio question is a separate issue. It's a partnership with CBS Sports and Cumulus. How long does that partnership continue? Maybe buy out Cumulus and syndicate via SkyView? There's no point of Cumulus promoting Radio.com. Their online deal is with iHeart.
 
This has caused some Atlantans to wonder what's going to happen to the AM. Split it off for the CBS Sports Network? They could, and that's what Cumulus did with their WMAL simulcast in DC. They turned it into ESPN radio and even put on a live & local morning show. The station barely shows up in the ratings.

Remember, though, that there was a different circumstance in DC: the traditional transmitter site that got fair but not ideal coverage of the now-huge metro was sold. They moved to a new site, shared with another AM. The coverage was to be considerably poorer. So it made sense to go "all FM" to avoid losing listeners. The result was a finding that the AM really had very few listeners left, so they switched it to something else.

IF 750 AM is not giving WSB listeners, it makes sense to try something else.

Another factor: 660 in New York covers more than the FM due to better conductivity. In Atlanta, the AM of WSB does not do well even in the fringe areas of the metro due to dreadful ground conductivity. That may impede a total separation.
 
I thought I remembered somewhere a quote from either Yankees or Giants management that the reach of the 660 beyond that of 101.9 was important to them. That makes me think that the simulcast would continue for play by play.
 
IF 750 AM is not giving WSB listeners, it makes sense to try something else.

My point of mentioning it is it's another example where the station branding is now strictly built around the FM. That's NOT the case for other Entercom simulcasts, such as WBBM or KCBS. Those two stations STILL include the AM in their branding.

I also believe there is some linkage to the future of CBS Sports Network. It's still owned by CBS Sports, operated by Entercom, and distributed by Cumulus. I see no value in CBS Sports owning anything that doesn't promote its brand. So while the sale agreement requires Entercom to change the name in 2021, I believe they will work out some kind of sub-deal that either transfers full ownership of the network to Entercom, or retains the name for an additional period. We have seen that Entercom is seeking to nationalize more of its programming, as they have done with WNSH and WNYL. I'm sure they'd like to do this with sports and news at some point.
 
Beginning on either Thu. or Fri. 10/15-10/16/2020, the jingles that play coming out of the top-of-hour Sports Flashes
and the two commercial breaks per hour that would mention both "Sports Radio Sixty-Six and One-O-One-Nine FM"
(and the reverse, mentioning 101-9 first) have been altered
(not re-cut or re-sung) to say "Sports Radio One-O-One-Nine FM" only.

There's been speculation since November 2012 when the FM simulcast began as to how long it would last.
The possibility exists that the national Sports Radio format could move to 660, yet still
they'd use the frequency for the many conflicting game broadcasts between the Yankees, Giants and Nets.
(The NJ Devils have been shuffled off to primarily online-only status with the rare broadcast on 660/101.9 of
their contests vs. either the NY Rangers or NY Islanders as long as they don't conflict with their main "tenants".)

A permanent splitting of the simulcast would have the added benefit of putting most Nets games that are in
conflict on 660 instead of 880, allowing the Newsradio 880 format to have fewer interruptions and more consistency.
(In Fall 2019 and Summer 2020, WFAN has taken advantage of the "95% simulcast rule" to split the signals for
game conflicts between the Yankees, Giants and Nets. Thus, the combined stations continue to get single-line
reporting for a 4 week ratings survey period as long as the simulcast isn't split for more than 33.6 hours per period.)
Maybe Entercom is now confident that even without single line reporting, enough of the
audience has shifted from 660 to 101.9. Thus, the 101.9 signal could hold its own ratings-wise.

Or: does Entercom have any other plans for the 660 signal? Would they sell it? If so, to whom?
I'm assuming it's still handy to have as a "spillover channel", but when do costs outweigh any benefits?
What station would they use as a spillover channel if they ever gave up 660?
880 (likely)? 1010 (highly unlikely)? Any of their FM signals (highly unlikely)?
I don't think a sale would happen (unless they get an offer they could not refuse)
as the signal is likely more valuable to Entercom (currently) than any other operator.
Plus, why go under the market limit of 8 signals (5 FM, 3 AM) if not really necessary?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Side note: there's the end of the "CBS Sports Radio" branding which (I believe) is scheduled to take
effect by January 2021. Likely they'll go with "Radio.com Sports" as WFAN used that branding with
the NY Yankees radio broadcasts for the just completed 2020 season. The "Sports Radio"
one-minute commentary was also rebranded as a "Radio.com Sports Minute" several months ago.


As a boss of mine used to tell me, "you took a trip around the world to get to your a%^h&le with that explanation".... hed tell me when when i got way too longwinded with a question or something I was telling him
 
WFAN

Breaking up the 660/101.9 simulcast would be an incredibly foolish idea, IMO.

Listeners 50+ miles from Midtown rely on that 660 signal!

In major metropolitan areas, (even powerful) AM signals that run the national lineup of CBS Sports Radio or Fox Sports Radio or ESPN Radio consistently earn terrible ratings. Yeah, clearing Radio.com sports programming might on 660 full-time or nearly full-time might generate a couple million dollars of extra revenue for that product. Wouldn't surprise me if removing WFAN programming from 660 would cost *that* product just as much if not more in annual revenue. Depriving eastern Long Island, for example, of WFAN programming via an OTA signal does not seem like a very good idea to me.
 
Breaking up the 660/101.9 simulcast would be an incredibly foolish idea, IMO.

Listeners 50+ miles from Midtown rely on that 660 signal!

In major metropolitan areas, (even powerful) AM signals that run the national lineup of CBS Sports Radio or Fox Sports Radio or ESPN Radio consistently earn terrible ratings. Yeah, clearing Radio.com sports programming might on 660 full-time or nearly full-time might generate a couple million dollars of extra revenue for that product. Wouldn't surprise me if removing WFAN programming from 660 would cost *that* product just as much if not more in annual revenue. Depriving eastern Long Island, for example, of WFAN programming via an OTA signal does not seem like a very good idea to me.

The real issue is whether there is more income from a split.

Suffolk has just about 16% of the MSA population, and the highest percentage is to the western area of the county. The 660 signal, in my experience, catches the bulk of the population but certainly not all of it. The FM signal falls a bit "shorter" than the AM, but in both cases the loss is going to be a small portion of the potential audience.

Likely they have done a study by areas to see if, in fact, either signal gets much listening on the East End (the same issue that made WABC add an FM "network" out there). A decision would have to be based on more than a map and some technical calculations. I'd start with an analysis at the GeoZone level going back at least a couple of years and looking at any seasonal effects on the AM, too.
 
The jingles being altered don't really need to have a subliminal message. It most likely happened because FM is much more popular than AM, and they want to emphasize the FM availability of the station.

I don't see WFAN-AM running straight CBS Sports Radio or whatever. Not only would that cripple any listenership of something like Yankee games in areas where the AM is the only available frequency, I just don't see anything else being viable on that frequency.
 
https://news.****************/artic...ong-term-Extension-for-Boomer-&-Gio-Simulcast

Here is a deal extension for Boomer and Gio that CBS Sports and Entercom has for their radio show on WFAN-FM.
 
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