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Regulation of Online Media

In that case I think social media companies do have an obligation to either restrict provably false content, or label it in such a way so users are aware it's not factual. Again, posting those times of items is not expressing an "opinion", it's creating a false narrative.

Who decides what's false or true? Fact-checkers use mainstream media, and conservatives feel mainstream media is biased.

Here's what Rep Steve Scalise says:

 
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Who decides what's false or true? Fact-checkers use mainstream media, and conservatives feel mainstream media is biased.
...Thus my comment about "provably false content", Facts are facts, regardless of how bad one political party or the other wishes that not to be the case, depending on the circumstance.
 
But we're dealing with people who have.. "alternative facts." They'll never recognize the legitimacy of anyone banning one of "their" people, because they don't accept the authority of the social media company or fact checker to begin with.
 
...Thus my comment about "provably false content", Facts are facts, regardless of how bad one political party or the other wishes that not to be the case, depending on the circumstance.
But the way each news report describes the "facts" and the varied importance and prioritization of details can change a story entirely, even if the facts are the same in each.

As I've mentioned before, when I owned a radio group in Ecuador and whenever there was a local event that made the international press, a number of us local print, radio and TV folks would get together and compare the different reports ranging from Time, Associated Press, Reuters, FrancePress, Prensa Latina, Pravda and others. Each wrote with what they considered important as the headline, ranging from economic impact to the struggle of the proletariat. When compared together, we could see and, after a beer or two, laugh at how many different colored lenses there were when reporting the facts.

No story was wrong, but there were significant errors of omission and the descriptive language flavoured each report according to the culture and politics of the news medium reporting the story.

Emphasizing one aspect and minimizing another made each report seem significantly different, sometimes giving the impression that there were separate events.
 
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No story was wrong, but there were significant errors of omission and the descriptive language flavoured each report according to the culture and politics of the news medium reporting the story.

Case in point: The story of the day at Fox News is that Biden used notes at his press conference last night. That is part of their ongoing narrative that the president is senile. They completely overlook the fact that the previous president did exactly the same thing:


Errors of omission. However, if we're fact-checking, the fact checker will note both examples.
 
But we're dealing with people who have.. "alternative facts." They'll never recognize the legitimacy of anyone banning one of "their" people, because they don't accept the authority of the social media company or fact checker to begin with.
It seems that conservatives complaining want Facebook, et al, to guarantee them an audience. In the real world, that doesn't happen. Again, the top 10 most shared posts are almost always conservative.
 
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It seems that conservatives complaining want Facebook, et al, to guarantee them an audience. In the real world, that doesn't happen.

Facebook is merely a private road that people drive on. You're free to use the road as long as you follow the rules. But Facebook owns the road, and they make the rules. Now the government wants to come in and have a say in the rules Facebook makes for their private road. Is that the proper role for government?
 
Just today: No Huff Po, no Jacobin, no New York Times. One Obama and one cuteness, otherwise only the Trump right.

Facebook's Top 10@FacebooksTop10
Satisfactory


The top-performing link posts by U.S. Facebook pages in the last 24 hours are from:

1. Ben Shapiro
2. Franklin Graham
3. Barack Obama
4. ForAmerica
5. Dinesh D'Souza
6. Ben Shapiro
7. Ben Shapiro
8. Cuteness overload
9. Fox News
10. Ben Shapiro
 
But we're dealing with people who have.. "alternative facts." They'll never recognize the legitimacy of anyone banning one of "their" people, because they don't accept the authority of the social media company or fact checker to begin with.
Agreed wholeheartedly, but that's not a problem for Facebook and other social media platforms to concern themselves with. If the sky is blue and MSNBC or Fox News or a dozen Facebook memes say the sky is purple, that doesn't change the fact that the sky is blue. If FB or other platforms pick up on several users spreading memes full of falsehoods or fake stories on their sites, especially those that are going viral to the point they could change public opinion (or and election) based on something that's blatantly and provably false, regardless of whether it may make their company unpopular with those on one end of the political spectrum or the other, or whether it may spark outrage from one political party or the other, it's their duty to ensure it's labeled in such a way that people reading and sharing that post know it's false, or to remove the content.

This is not restricting free speech or preventing people from sharing their opinions, it's keeping their platforms from being used to spread false information and further fake narratives.
 
Facebook is merely a private road that people drive on. You're free to use the road as long as you follow the rules. But Facebook owns the road, and they make the rules. Now the government wants to come in and have a say in the rules Facebook makes for their private road. Is that the proper role for government?
Was it proper that the government broke up Standard Oil or AT&T?
 
Keep in mind as well that, it's been proven at least during the 2016 election cycle that many hot button content items posted and spread on social media were originally put there by bots and those in other countries, in an attempt to stir the pot and potentially try and sway an election. Spreading those postings on social media unchecked furthers their cause and plays into their hands.
I keep reading here and there about these apparent Russian 'bots' spreading rumors that swayed elections, but never see any concrete evidence that any of them ever changed a vote. The rumors of election fraud during 2020 weren't from Russian bots. The night of the election, and shortly afterwards, I saw videos on social media taken by Americans of boxes of ballots, locked doors to election centers, etc.

The resulting false narrative that came out of those visuals (that the election was 'stolen'), of course, wasn't the result of Russian bots, but the results of politically motivated Americans who hadn't taken the time to fact check, or simply didn't want to.

Most people really don't fact check. Especially now when so many people's idea of 'objectivity' is confirmation bias.

I also find it curious that a few thousand Russian 'bots' could stir a pot and spread rumors but millions of highly opinionated, hot headed Americans with ready access to a keyboard couldn't, or didn't.

I think the latter is a bit more probable. It's just not as pretty to admit. And I think it's part of the problem when discussing social media. If people bothered to fact check their own postings on these vast social media platforms, maybe there would be less spreading of false rumors and the like.
 
I keep reading here and there about these apparent Russian 'bots' spreading rumors that swayed elections, but never see any concrete evidence that any of them ever changed a vote.

Here's what the US intelligence community found: That the Russian bots were spreading rumors, and those same rumors were also spread by conservative media and even members of Congress.

 
Did it matter? They broke up Standard Oil, and now we have ExxonMobil. They broke up AT&T and now we have AT&T.

I'm reminded of Chicken Little.
I don't know how they even realistically break up Facebook. It would make businesses have to "write checks" to both Facebook and Instagram for starters. It also doesn't solve "my conspiracy theories aren't getting an audience".
 
I keep reading here and there about these apparent Russian 'bots' spreading rumors that swayed elections, but never see any concrete evidence that any of them ever changed a vote. The rumors of election fraud during 2020 weren't from Russian bots. The night of the election, and shortly afterwards, I saw videos on social media taken by Americans of boxes of ballots, locked doors to election centers, etc.
The information and evidence I saw published was from back when the only point of the investigation was (and I'm paraphrasing here) "Was there interference from other countries or outside entities in the 2016 election?" I'm not sure they went so far as to ask how many were influenced or swayed by it, but they did publish a number of Facebook memes, items from Twitter and the like, showing posts that were meant to stir the pot, spread blatantly false information and create a strong emotional response. Those items did exactly that and spread, at least somewhat unchecked, like wildfire. It was proven that they did originate from Russia or other foreign countries and were intended to influence the 2016 election and sow division among the US population. If their end goal was to sow further division than was present prior to 2016 and further drive a wedge, judging from what we see nearly every day in this country anymore, their methods were certainly effective.
 
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Did it matter? They broke up Standard Oil, and now we have ExxonMobil.

10 Biggest Oil Companies
  • #1 China Petroleum & Chemical Corp. (SNP)
  • #2 PetroChina Co. Ltd. (PTR)
  • #3 Saudi Arabian Oil Co. (Saudi Aramco) (Tadawul: 2222)
  • #4 Royal Dutch Shell PLC (RDS. A)
  • #5 BP PLC (BP)
  • #6 Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM)
  • #7 Total SE (TOT)
  • #8 Chevron Corp. (CVX)
They broke up AT&T and now we have AT&T.
And Verizon and T-Mobile and dozens of resellers as well as Internet based VOIP services by the dozen.
I'm reminded of Chicken Little.
I'm reminded of Humpty Dumpty: so many pieces and alternatives.
 
And I think it's part of the problem when discussing social media. If people bothered to fact check their own postings on these vast social media platforms, maybe there would be less spreading of false rumors and the like.
You're correct, and that exact point is a huge part of the problem. End users either don't or won't do such fact checking on their own before posting or sharing FB memes or posts at will, so now it becomes the responsibility of FB and other social media platforms to step up and do it. Political stuff aside, I can't tell you the amount of drivel I see in my FB feed all the time, much of it false or long debunked, and some of these items have been recirculating even back before the days of FB when people were sending these things around via group e-mails. Stuff like, Mr. Rogers was a bad-ass marine before he had his TV show for kids (false), if you're being robbed at an ATM, enter your PIN backwards and the cops will come and save you (false), Richard Gere stuffed a gerbil up his hind end (false as far as we know), don't flash your headlights at oncoming cars as people will kill you as part of a gang initiation (false). And though annoying, those items I just mentioned aren't really hurting anyone or influencing public narrative or potentially election outcomes...It just illustrates how much people do spread this stuff often, though it's been debunked in some cases for several years. People have Google searches and sites like Snopes at their fingertips, but don't use them.
 
I'm reminded of Humpty Dumpty: so many pieces and alternatives.

We have many alternatives now to Facebook. It's not a monopoly. We have many options besides Google. I use Bing. This idea that there's only one tech company or that they all work together to block conservatives is a big lie.
 
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