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Tim Conway Jr. Suspended Next Week. Anyone know Why?

Oh, so your ok with private overt racist remarks, just not ones that are uttered on the largest radio station in town? Got it.

A Polish joke isn't a racist remark, unless Polish people have become a different race.

It was interesting that Obama didn't call the tea party folks "crackers" or "white boys" or "rednecks," did he? Calling someone corrupt or lunatics is not a racist remark. They ARE corrupt. Saying someone is guilty of inbreeding isn't racist.
 

A Polish joke isn't a racist remark, unless Polish people have become a different race.

It was interesting that Obama didn't call the tea party folks "crackers" or "white boys" or "rednecks," did he? Calling someone corrupt or lunatics is not a racist remark. They ARE corrupt. Some rednecks are guilty of in-breeding, but that's not racist.
Evidence of this Corruption? Convictions at trial? Reports of misuse of funds? Kind of hard for out-of-power Americans to be corrupt. One of the elements of corruption is that you must wield power in order to engage in it. The irony being of course, that you don't even understand what the main issue was for the tea-partiers - less government spending as a whole, less waste in goverment spending that is spent. What you mean is, they are ideologically opposed to you, so you hate them, thus you feel you can level any charge you like without evidence. That is OK, since most of them are mean, nasty Republicans that live in flyover country and don't care what is said on NPR. That makes them fair game for any and all accusations.

And OMG "Some Rednecks are guilty of in-breeding, but that is not racist". I get it! Rednecks are white, see, and it is ok to make racist remarks about white people, because, well, that is not racism.

Why don't you substitute any of the following for the term "redneck" and let me know if it doesn't become a racist statement:

Blacks
Chinese
Muslims
Jews
Hispanics

Oh, I know, none of those groups are the same because they don't inbreed! See, only rednecks do that!
 
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I'm not even sure what this thread is about anymore.

As far as the bit on Conway's show goes... It was perhaps in poor taste and I didn't find it funny, but I am not convinced it fits a classical definition of racism. Stereotypes in and of themselves do not necessarily equal racism. In my opinion, that word is thrown around way too loosely these days. I've listened to Tim for years and I do not believe he is a racist at all.
Classical definition? Racial and ethnic stereotypes are repugnant bigotry. Trying to find some narrow definition that makes it acceptable is right up there.
 
Oh, I know, none of those groups are the same because they don't inbreed! See, only rednecks do that!

Did I say that? No. If you notice, I revised the last sentence of my post. That's something Conway should have done. Sort of hard to do on live radio.

You believe no tea party members have been convicted of corruption? I know of at least two who were forced to resign their House seats because they were convicted of corruption. I think they both received pardons.
 
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Did I say that? No. If you notice, I revised the last sentence of my post. That's something Conway should have done. Sort of hard to do on live radio.

You believe no tea party members have been convicted of corruption? I know of at least two who were forced to resign their House seats because they were convicted of corruption. I think they both received pardons.
Sure, after the inherent racist nature of your original wording was pointed out for all to see, you decided it was a good idea to replace the intentionally inflammatory and racist word "redneck" and substituted the generic word "people". But of course it was too late, your inherent, (and I am quite sure) unintentional bigotry had slipped out anyway.

But no worries, as has been pointed out above, even "good people" can have unintentional yet implicit biases and issues that should be worked through. I will not judge you, I am sure you are a fine person.
 
Sure after the inherent racist nature of your original wording was pointed out for all to see,

No I changed it before you posted your attack on me. So no I didn't change it because of your attack. I changed it because of my own conscience, and my own rethinking of what I said. Which is what Conway should have done. We all should be willing to rethink and change what we say. And this message board allows that. It's a good thing.

I'm still waiting for you to explain what in the "reported" quote from Obama was racist. Or what's racist about a Polish joke.
 
And why would anyone ever think a bigoted stereotype voice is a good thing? It shouldn’t have to be rethought. It should never be thought in the first place.

Is calling out this kind of inappropriate language really such a hard thing? Is owning up to the consequences of ones actions problematic?
 
A Polish joke isn't a racist remark, unless Polish people have become a different race.
I grew up in the 1990s in a "redneck" (mostly white) suburb of Salt Lake City called Magna.

Magna was always the butt of sooooooo many morning show bits, fake callers (who acted stupid), even a parody song called "Magna Woman" (parodying Roy Orbison). Magna legitimately had problems (meth houses, working-class poverty, etc.) My high school almost lost its accredidation while I was there — and had an 8% college graduation rate.

Always tried to laugh along at the jokes, but each bit stung. My community wasn't poor on purpose. A lot were trying hard to go to college (I later got an engineering master's degree). And while the bits weren't racist and were meant "in good fun," it always felt like better-off people on the east side who "had it good" were kicking us while we were down. At swim meets, kids from other high schools looked down on us ("those stupid Magna kids"). And these morning show bits reinforced their opinions.

No boycotts. No outrage. No scandal. But it still was kind of mean.

The best bits leave everyone laughing.
 
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I grew up in the 1990s in a "redneck" (mostly white) suburb of Salt Lake City called Magna.

Magna was always the butt of sooooooo many morning show bits, fake callers (who acted stupid), even a parody song called "Magna Woman" (parodying Roy Orbison). Magna legitimately had problems (meth houses, working-class poverty, etc.) My high school almost lost its accredidation while I was there — and had an 8% college graduation rate.

Always tried to laugh along at the jokes, but each bit stung. My community wasn't poor on purpose. A lot were trying hard to go to college (I later got an engineering master's degree). And while the bits weren't racist and were meant "in good fun," it always felt like better-off people on the east side who "had it good" were kicking us while we were down. At swim meets, kids from other high schools looked down on us ("those stupid Magna kids"). And these morning show bits reinforced their opinions.

No boycotts. No outrage. No scandal. But it still was kind of mean.

The best bits leave everyone laughing.
Maybe No boycotts over that, but they’re not new. What’s good is social media and our interconnected world has given marginalized communities more power to push back. To expose the racism, the bigotry, the misogyny and cruelty. Communities that kept quiet or went along out of fear of reprisals can band together to effect change.
 
What made it worse is the target isn't a public figure, but the wife of a sportscaster. Sure, make fun of the sportscaster, but why bring his wife into it? It's not only racist, it becomes sexist.
I wondered about that. Her name isn't familiar to me, but I am not in LA so I wasn't sure if she was widely known or not. I kind of figured there is likely more history between Conway and Jacobs that led up to the bit. The truth is Jacobs was probably the target of the bit more than Sakamoto, especially if she isn't a public figure. Otherwise, what is the point at goofing on some unknown person? I think jumping to claims of "sexism" or "misogyny" here doesn't really fit the facts of this story and is not particularly helpful. The bit was performed by a woman pretending to be another woman after all!
 
Magna was always the butt of sooooooo many morning show bits, fake callers (who acted stupid), even a parody song called "Magna Woman" (parodying Roy Orbison).
Ah - so you listened to Jon and Dan. Awesome!!!! You know what would be even more awesome? If we could get back to talking about radio here.
 
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Ah - so you listened to Jon and Dan. Awesome!!!! You know what would be even more awesome? If we could get back to talking about radio here.
Sorry. I felt it was an apt comparison to the Conway situation.

An example which isn't pre-loaded with racial tension. Wish I had an LA example, but I wasn't living here back then.
 
I grew up in the 1990s in a "redneck" (mostly white) suburb of Salt Lake City called Magna.

Magna was always the butt of sooooooo many morning show bits, fake callers (who acted stupid), even a parody song called "Magna Woman" (parodying Roy Orbison). Magna legitimately had problems (meth houses, working-class poverty, etc.) My high school almost lost its accredidation while I was there — and had an 8% college graduation rate.

Always tried to laugh along at the jokes, but each bit stung. My community wasn't poor on purpose. A lot were trying hard to go to college (I later got an engineering master's degree). And while the bits weren't racist and were meant "in good fun," it always felt like better-off people on the east side who "had it good" were kicking us while we were down. At swim meets, kids from other high schools looked down on us ("those stupid Magna kids"). And these morning show bits reinforced their opinions.

No boycotts. No outrage. No scandal. But it still was kind of mean.

The best bits leave everyone laughing.
Let's remember that Rush Limbaugh did the same thing toward what some would call "rednecks". Both locally when a KFBK host and nationally, he picked on Rio Linda---for the same reasons you outline for Magna, Henry.

No one called (or would call) Rush "racist against whites" for his Rio Linda bits.
 
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