Where is Tim Conway, Jr. now?

[hotpatrick2004]

I am glad Michael medved got let go. Dr gorka is much better than michael medved but it's weird whats goin on with timmy

 

[ChannelFlipper]

You're twisting what I said to fit your narrative. It's in plain view. We can all see it.



No one ever said that. I asked you if they ever have. You haven't answered me because you're too busy creating an argument.

Ok, here is your short answer: KFI management is very much interested in keeping their jobs and putting on a liberal host, when liberal hosts have already failed so miserably on their sister station, is what is known as career suicide, so, no they have not.

Hopefully that clears it up for you.

 

[TheBigA]

Hopefully that clears it up for you.

Thanks. It was a rhetorical question.

 

[gr8oldies]

The thread morphed into a conversation of both entities. I am paying close attention. Your points are still not holding up.

Here is the deal. CC set up a whole slew of liberals on another station to compete with KFI, and as I mentioned to David, NOT on the worst signal in town. The local and national press gave them all the free publicity money could buy, CC gave them time to find an audience, and they even came up with some new hosts when some of the originals faltered (well, they were ALL faltering, but in comparison...). CC gave liberal hosts everything they possibly could ask for AND THEY STILL FAILED.

When iheart/CC later put Rush on the same frequency with other conservative hosts without a fraction of the promotion AA received, the station succeeded quite nicely and they still have the format on the station to this day, even though Rush (the real star power) is no longer there and there are still two to three other competitors in town in the same format.

And now with that awful record of failure of AA and every single one of their hosts that they have already put on one of their other stations, you want them now to put one on KFI? Sorry pal, this is a money-making business. If you want to promote the cause, your going to have to do so elsewhere where money, jobs, and livelihoods are not on the line.

So every one on KFI must bow down and worship Our Lord and Savior, God's Chosen President and World's Most Perfect Man, Donald Trump? No deviation allowed? I didn't think KFI was a strictly ideological station. There are a lot of reason liberal-talk-as-a-mirror-image of conservative talk didn't work. Talent from TV who didn't know radio. It also had a lot to do with the fact that liberals wanting spoken word programming already had NPR (which I wouldn't call liberal talk but I get Trump supporters think of it as one step away from Radio Moscow). There was already The Daily Show and other TV options. If you think all the rest of the media is liberal anyway, and Rush Limbaugh is the only conservative oasis, then it's no surprise liberals weren't listening to combative talk radio. There are plenty of podcasts and YouTube channels for both sides

Really, it's never going to be time to do anything different? Talk radio will be "Donald Trump is Jesus Christ, hundreds of thousands of election workers conspired to steal an election from the universally worshipped DJT and the current national government is illegitimate, COVID is a hoax but the fault of scary brown people and you don't need to vaccinate excepgt when you do....really?

 

[Davos]

Ok, here is your short answer: KFI management is very much interested in keeping their jobs and putting on a liberal host, when liberal hosts have already failed so miserably on their sister station, is what is known as career suicide, so, no they have not.

Hopefully that clears it up for you.

Explain anti-trump ranting, Medicare for all promoting, rabidly anti-gun Bill Handel then.

 

[gr8oldies]

Was "Timmy" forced to change his tune on vaccinations due to corporate pressure? It would not be the first time the Iheart/Clear Channel forced its hosts to bend to the politically correct stance taken by management. Because of that history, you really can't know if Timmy said it because he really believes it or because his job was riding on it.

Trust, once lost, is hard to earn back. I don't trust any KFI host any more.

The Republicans suddenly reversed its hard anti-vax position (except in Tennessee). Donors had a fit, or polling was suggesting that suburban moms in swing states would blame the GQP if schools couldn't open.

Remember KFI is still a government licensee and "don't get the vax and let's spread COVID like wildfire to own the libs"isn't that public minded.

Trump cult anti-vaxxers have me at my last nerve.

 

[gr8oldies]

It is not just phrasing. J&K never mentioned Whitney as anything less than a model for the community after that. Not allowed to say bad things about beloved (dead) black woman. You can bet they will never have anything bad to say about Tina Turner, either.

Why should they say bad things about Tina Turner?

 

[gr8oldies]

And no, iHeart did not fund Air America. It was an independent company who tried to model what the THOUGHT happened on the conservative side (they thought wealthy Republican donors sat in a smoke filled room, plucked some guy out of Sacramento and made him a star then made a conservative network). Not even close to the truth

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Why should they say bad things about Tina Turner?

Nothing against Tina, the point was that they cannot just go making untoward comments about anybody in any protected class, but black females would be at the top of the list. Maybe further up the list if they are transgendered.

Notice how today it is already considered to be in very poor taste to say that Simone Bilas "quit on her team". In fact the only acceptable view is that she was brave and heroic for "doing right" by her mental health and her actions have called much necessary attention to the plight of the mentally ill in this country and around the world, and her actions are to be applauded.

Don't get me wrong, I am not specifically interested in charged comments to those in a protected class or any other and that is not why I listen. I listen to hear what the host really thinks, regardless of whether or not it is politically correct. Once I know you are censored, then I can't trust any content you say - maybe you're being honest, maybe not. As has been posted above, nearly all of the KFI hosts have got into trouble for voicing opinions that are not politically correct. Thus I know they are all effectively muzzled and that makes for BORING radio. I would rather listen to classical music on one of Saul's stations.

 

[gr8oldies]

But the real answer was not the one you were implying. You implied that CC was biased against liberal host

Nothing against Tina, the point was that they cannot just go making untoward comments about anybody in any protected class, but black females would be at the top of the list. Maybe further up the list if they are transgendered.

Notice how today it is already considered to be in very poor taste to say that Simone Bilas "quit on her team". In fact the only acceptable view is that she was brave and heroic for "doing right" by her mental health and her actions have called much necessary attention to the plight of the mentally ill in this country and around the world, and her actions are to be applauded.

Don't get me wrong, I am not specifically interested in charged comments to those in a protected class or any other and that is not why I listen. I listen to hear what the host really thinks, regardless of whether or not it is politically correct. Once I know you are censored, then I can't trust any content you say - maybe you're being honest, maybe not. As has been posted above, nearly all of the KFI hosts have got into trouble for voicing opinions that are not politically correct. Thus I know they are all effectively muzzled and that makes for BORING radio. I would rather listen to classical music on one of Saul's stations.

OK, I get all the Trumpers are badmouthing Simone Bilas because mental health is totally unimportant and hell no, we won't think of even funding it. They're also badmouthing the police officers because {"real men don't show emotion and they're crisis actors and how dare anyone think that this was more than a tourist visit OR it was ANTIFA or the FBI or whatever). I bet none of the talk show hosts could beat Simone Bilas in any sport. The "why can't I trash a black person on the air" thing is ridiculous --is that what people mean by "cancelling cancel culture?" I can drop the "n" word at work and not get fired? Trump worshippers are exhausting

 

[ChannelFlipper]

And no, iHeart did not fund Air America. It was an independent company who tried to model what the THOUGHT happened on the conservative side (they thought wealthy Republican donors sat in a smoke filled room, plucked some guy out of Sacramento and made him a star then made a conservative network). Not even close to the truth

Why don't you get a station, turn it over to a completely different company who is going to provide very bad and costly talent which doesn't make enough in ratings to pay the bills, keep that station on for three years, no matter how much they embarrass you, and then decide if you haven't invested in the company.

The lack of understanding around here of how money and investment actually works in the real world is quite amazing.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

OK, I get all the Trumpers are badmouthing Simone Bilas because mental health is totally unimportant and hell no, we won't think of even funding it. They're also badmouthing the police officers because {"real men don't show emotion and they're crisis actors and how dare anyone think that this was more than a tourist visit OR it was ANTIFA or the FBI or whatever). I bet none of the talk show hosts could beat Simone Bilas in any sport. The "why can't I trash a black person on the air" thing is ridiculous --is that what people mean by "cancelling cancel culture?" I can drop the "n" word at work and not get fired? Trump worshippers are exhausting

This is just incoherent political posturing that isn't even close to being on point.

 

[gr8oldies]

This is just incoherent political posturing that isn't even close to being on point.

Your point is KFI should only have right-wing hosts from what I gather?

 

[TheBigA]

Notice how today it is already considered to be in very poor taste to say that Simone Bilas "quit on her team".

And yet that's exactly what iHeart's Clay Travis & Buck Sexton said yesterday:

Clay Travis: Simone Biles Should Apologize, She Wasn't There When Her Teammates Needed Her The Most

Clay Travis of Outkick reacts to Simone Biles pulling out of the women's gymnastics team due to "mental stress." Travis called on Biles to apologize because she was not there when her teammates needed her the most. "The vast majority of sports fans agree with me right now, the vast majority of...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Clay Travis on Simone Biles: 'Quitters Should Not Be Praised' | FOX Sports Radio

Clay Travis of Outkick the Coverage called out the media’s coverage of the Simone Biles Olympics withdrawal saga, as Clay ripped everyone on Twitter calling Biles ‘brave’ and 'courageous’ when all she did was quit on her team on the world’s biggest stage.

foxsportsradio.iheart.com

And yet you tell me iHeart muzzles their hosts and forces them to say the company line.

Earlier this year, Cumulus put out a very hard memo to all its staff, including talk show hosts, about unacceptable topics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/cumulus-radio-conservative-election-fraud/2021/01/11/e12ec46e-537c-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

And not one of their hosts followed the directive. To this day, they continue to discuss the topic as though the memo didn't exist.

No one cares about what's in poor taste. It's all about the money.

 

[davideduardo]

Way to cherry pick two of the most liberal cities in America to make your point! How about the over 100 other stations?

It had more moderate success in other cities, but much of that had as much to do with the lousy signals that Air America got put on.

Remember, in the top 100 markets, there are only around 175 AMs that cover 80% of the market area both day and night. So when you got to markets in places like Phoenix or Dallas or St Louis or Louisville where an AM could not shoot big power over the market and out to sea, there just were not enough good AMs to add a liberal talker on top of a conservative one and a sports AM as well.

So Air America failed in part because the talkers were mostly to intense and not much fun to listen to, but mostly because nearly all the affiliate stations were donkeys in a horse race.

And how did they do here in LA on a pretty decent 1150 signal, keeping in mind that LA is a very liberal town too and the conservative competition was divided between at least three competing signals?

1150 is not a decent signal; it is not even adequate. It's main lobe shoots right over central and south-central LA out to sea. It protects to the north, to the Mexican border and everywhere to the NE, East, SE. It's pretty deficient in all of the OC, in fact. And the area where it has a good noise free signal are nearly all ethnic zones... Asian, Hispanic and Black with only a coastal West Side zone of the target liberal whites.

 

[davideduardo]

Here is the deal. CC set up a whole slew of liberals on another station to compete with KFI, and as I mentioned to David, NOT on the worst signal in town.

First, 1150 is a pretty inadequate signal. It misses most of the San Fernando Valley, nearly all of the non-ethinc OC and the eastern part of the San Gabriel Valley. The area it covers, as I mentioned, is nearly all ethnic.

And Clear Channel did not set up the Air America network; it was done by a bunch of non-radio people who did not understand that liberal or progressive talk... just like conservative content... has to be entertaining first. Randi Rhodes was the exception, as she had even managed to succeed in the mostly-conservative Broward County market in South Florida and was fun to listen to. The rest of them... Al Franken, Rachel Maddow, Cenk Uygur, Marc Maron, Chuck D, Lizz Winstead, Sam Seder... were just too intense.

The local and national press gave them all the free publicity money could buy, CC gave them time to find an audience, and they even came up with some new hosts when some of the originals faltered (well, they were ALL faltering, but in comparison...). CC gave liberal hosts everything they possibly could ask for AND THEY STILL FAILED.

They worked moderately well where the stations had a good signal. Places where they did not, like San Diego, LA, Miami (50 kw but only covering overwhelmingly Hispanic and Black Dade) and the like could not have succeeded in any format due to signal deficiencies.

When iheart/CC later put Rush on the same frequency with other conservative hosts without a fraction of the promotion AA received, the station succeeded quite nicely and they still have the format on the station to this day, even though Rush (the real star power) is no longer there and there are still two to three other competitors in town in the same format.

1150 is as dead as they come. KFWB, with ranchera oldies for 50+ has more audience.

In 25-54, looking at August to November 2020 (the election period before Rush passed) KEIB average a 0.2 share. KFWB did a 0.4. KRLA even managed a 0.2 average (but was much bouncier)!

And now with that awful record of failure of AA and every single one of their hosts that they have already put on one of their other stations, you want them now to put one on KFI? Sorry pal, this is a money-making business. If you want to promote the cause, your going to have to do so elsewhere where money, jobs, and livelihoods are not on the line.

As mentioned before, the owners of Air America were on a crusade, not a campaign to do entertaining liberal-flavored talk. Except for Randi Rhodes, the hosts were overboard in intensity and totally devoid of entertaining qualities. They were crusaders, not entertainers.

 

[gr8oldies]

And yet that's exactly what iHeart's Clay Travis & Buck Sexton said yesterday:

Clay Travis: Simone Biles Should Apologize, She Wasn't There When Her Teammates Needed Her The Most

Clay Travis of Outkick reacts to Simone Biles pulling out of the women's gymnastics team due to "mental stress." Travis called on Biles to apologize because she was not there when her teammates needed her the most. "The vast majority of sports fans agree with me right now, the vast majority of...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Clay Travis on Simone Biles: 'Quitters Should Not Be Praised' | FOX Sports Radio

Clay Travis of Outkick the Coverage called out the media’s coverage of the Simone Biles Olympics withdrawal saga, as Clay ripped everyone on Twitter calling Biles ‘brave’ and 'courageous’ when all she did was quit on her team on the world’s biggest stage.

foxsportsradio.iheart.com

And yet you tell me iHeart muzzles their hosts and forces them to say the company line.

Earlier this year, Cumulus put out a very hard memo to all its staff, including talk show hosts, about unacceptable topics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/cumulus-radio-conservative-election-fraud/2021/01/11/e12ec46e-537c-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

And not one of their hosts followed the directive. To this day, they continue to discuss the topic as though the memo didn't exist.

No one cares about what's in poor taste. It's all about the money.

I think Bogino is going to have the "real evidence" that God's Chosen President won the election and that the current national government is illegitimate. On the airwaves that are licensed by said government no less, and likely to lead to January 6 Part II

 

[gr8oldies]

First, 1150 is a pretty inadequate signal. It misses most of the San Fernando Valley, nearly all of the non-ethinc OC and the eastern part of the San Gabriel Valley. The area it covers, as I mentioned, is nearly all ethnic.

And Clear Channel did not set up the Air America network; it was done by a bunch of non-radio people who did not understand that liberal or progressive talk... just like conservative content... has to be entertaining first. Randi Rhodes was the exception, as she had even managed to succeed in the mostly-conservative Broward County market in South Florida and was fun to listen to. The rest of them... Al Franken, Rachel Maddow, Cenk Uygur, Marc Maron, Chuck D, Lizz Winstead, Sam Seder... were just too intense.

They worked moderately well where the stations had a good signal. Places where they did not, like San Diego, LA, Miami (50 kw but only covering overwhelmingly Hispanic and Black Dade) and the like could not have succeeded in any format due to signal deficiencies.

1150 is as dead as they come. KFWB, with ranchera oldies for 50+ has more audience.

In 25-54, looking at August to November 2010 (the election period) KEIB average a 0.2 share. KFWB did a 0.4. KRLA even managed a 0.2 average (but was much bouncier)!

As mentioned before, the owners of Air America were on a crusade, not a campaign to do entertaining liberal-flavored talk. Except for Randi Rhodes, the hosts were overboard in intensity and totally devoid of entertaining qualities. They were crusaders, not entertainers.

Al Franken was as entertaining as paint drying. There have been some more moderate to liberal hosts; the late Alan Colmes, Tom Leykis when he did politics in the 90s, and I don't know what Jim Bohannon's politics are, he mostly does interviews. John Landecker at WLS is somewhat liberal on Facebook but does light and entertaining talk. It would seem our friend thinks KFI should nothing but screaming far right politics 24/7.

 

[davideduardo]

I think Bogino is going to have the "real evidence" that God's Chosen President won the election and that the current national government is illegitimate. On the airwaves that are licensed by said government no less, and likely to lead to January 6 Part II

I'm really tempted to make an observation about an airborne porcine device. When you see one, it will be pulling a banner saying "He Won!!

 

[henry]

Holy crap, I apologize for starting a fight. Woof.