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[ChannelFlipper]

No. The "July month" is actually partly in June, and in any case, KBLA got a 0.0 in that period.

KFI is always down in July and August... rather typical for an adult format during summer time... even in a pandemic.

As far as KBLA's impact on KFI, does a camel notice the gnat on his hump?

But there are far more interesting dynamics going on here. There is a recall of the governor election coming up next month and the leading opponent is a black man who was raised in South Central LA. Will KBLA be supporting the only legitimate chance California has ever seen to put a black man in the governor's office? My guess is not. People should be asking, "why not"? Most likely, liberal ideology will take precedence over skin color. Kind of odd for a station where skin color is the foundational principle of the entire station's existence (they would never admit to that of course, but check out the identity of all of their hosts).

KFI still subtly positions itself as a right of center talk station, although of course actual conservatives who take real conservative stances are not found on their air any more; they have been shooed away like a drunken crazy uncle from the family Sunday dinner. But of all of the outside candidates with a reasonable chance to win, Larry Elder most closely matches the views of John and Ken (at least when they were allowed to have their own views), but I am pretty sure they will not do anything that will assist a former direct competitor in their timeslot and who is now still an uncouth conservative/libertarian competitor on a different station that does actually represent a small, but nevertheless real, competitive threat to the station.

So most likely corporate interests and professional competition will guide their positioning. In fact, they probably feel that having Newsome in office gives them better show fodder and ratings since they have very liberal polticis embodied by a very unlikeable person to rail against. Having Elder in office, someone who would shift California policies substantially to the right, would force them into the position of being an uneasy/unwilling cheerleader, a much more challenging environment for them. They will want no part of it.

 

[TheBigA]

Will KBLA be supporting the only legitimate chance California has ever seen to put a black man in the governor's office? My guess is not.

I know this doesn't fit the narrative you're spinning, but Tavis Smiley had Larry on his show last week.

Elder Joins Smiley - Radio Ink

KBLA Talk 1580 host Tavis Smiley will interview conservative talker and gubernatorial recall front runner, Larry Elder this morning at 9AM California time on KBLA-AM. Elder will join Smiley for the full hour.

radioink.com

 

[ChannelFlipper]

I know this doesn't fit the narrative you're spinning, but Tavis Smiley had Larry on his show last week.

Elder Joins Smiley - Radio Ink

KBLA Talk 1580 host Tavis Smiley will interview conservative talker and gubernatorial recall front runner, Larry Elder this morning at 9AM California time on KBLA-AM. Elder will join Smiley for the full hour.

radioink.com

Nice try at a diversionary tactic, but please try to stay on point. I didn't say that KBLA would give Larry no airtime, it would be idiotic even for a black "progressive" station such as KBLA to not address the issue of his candidacy. And I did not hear the interview, but my understanding is that it was fairly even-handed, giving Larry a chance to make his points. The question asked, and prediction advanced, was that the station itself would not support his candidacy because regardless of their black ideology positioning, they are first and foremost a proudly progressive station (by their own admission) and that their liberal ideology will prevail over any attempts by a black man, in this case, Larry Elder, who does not share their extreme progressive ideology, to gain powerful public office.

I am surprised you are taking issue with my post, I don't think the positions and predictions that I put forth are even all that controversial. Birds fly, pigs oink, progressives put ideology above all else.

If by some crazy circumstance KBLA were to come out and support Larry's candidacy, I will gladly come back and post how incorrect my predictions were. I have done so in the past, and will gladly do so again in the future.

 

[TheBigA]

Birds fly, pigs oink, progressives put ideology above all else.

Would Larry have a black progressive candidate on his show?

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Would Larry have a black progressive candidate on his show?

If you have ever listened to his show, you would know that Larry has had lots of liberals on. Because he destroyed them so thoroughly, they avoided his show. Smart move on their part - Larry is an excellent debater and shreds just about anybody who doesn't have their facts straight.

In fact If I am not mistaken (it is getting to be a long time and my memory is not what it was), but I believe it was Larry who brought Leo Terrell to KABC management and helped him get his weekend show. Leo, at the time, was a black liberal who spouted the leftist line almost verbatim, but he was a voice also from the black inner-city, and Larry believed his voice should be heard as well, regardless of political differences. This was a case of Larry "paying it forward", because it was Dennis Prager who first heard Larry and brought him to the attention of KABC management. It was Larry's many years in afternoon drive on KABC that launched his career.

That was many years ago and I had not thought of Leo Terrell until last year when I became aware that he has since changed his political stance completely and is now an unabashed Trump supporter and has been a frequent contributor as such on Fox News. Looks like after all of these years, Larry finally got to him! I am pretty sure Leo supports Elder's candidacy, and it all started with Larry being gracious enough to recommend a colleague with different viewpoints.

 

[davideduardo]

Would Larry have a black progressive candidate on his show?

As ChannelFlipper says, he does have liberals on his show. However, he asks hard and aggressive questions and that tends to discourage people who are not able to stand up to that.

Of course, Larry has audience. KBLA, in its roughly five survey weeks that are released so far, has none. Zero, not even the minimal 0.0 even though they qualify for the public releases as they are minority operated.

 

[TheBigA]

If you have ever listened to his show, you would know that Larry has had lots of liberals on.

Were they candidates for office?

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Were they candidates for office?

What difference does it make? As I said, many guests of all stripes routinely avoid his show because they know the tough questions they will get. Most liberal candidates prefer the to be interviewed by NPR where nothing they say, regardless of how outrageous, will be questioned by comforting hosts such as Terry Gross.

As they say in court, you are making assumptions about facts not in evidence ("Since he won't have liberal candidates on his show..."). Moreover, you seem to be limply hanging on to this irrelevant tangent instead of addressing the points I made in my posts. That is fine, it is your thread too!

 

[TheBigA]

What difference does it make?

Because that's what we're talking about. He was a guest on KBLA. Would he return the favor to a black liberal candidate?

I don't care if Larry has liberals on his show. Would he ever support one for political office? That's what you want KBLA to do.

Did Tavis berate Larry and attack him, or treat him with respect? Knowing Tavis, I'd bet he treated him with respect.

 

[TomásEstefan]

Although Larry Elder may now be a registered Republican, he did that only so he could "reach" more people. Elder has always considered himself to be a capital "L" type Libertarian.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Because that's what we're talking about. He was a guest on KBLA. Would he return the favor to a black liberal candidate?

I don't care if Larry has liberals on his show. Would he ever support one for political office? That's what you want KBLA to do.

Did Tavis berate Larry and attack him, or treat him with respect? Knowing Tavis, I'd bet he treated him with respect.

I don't "want" KBLA to do anything. Please read the posts carefully - I advocated nothing. I just speculated what the two stations discussed in this thread will do in light of the unusual Elder candidacy.

for KBLA, I predicted that they will not support a black candidate for governor, even though that candidate is a part of their core demographic (race-wise) and from their hometown, because they support far-left progressive ideology over the rising political ambitions of a black man whose views they do not support. As I discussed above, the fact that they interviewed him is irrelevant; granting an interview to a candidate is not advocating for their election. Did Tavis endorse Larry after the interview and I am not aware?

 

[TheBigA]

for KBLA, I predicted that they will not support a black candidate for governor

the fact that they interviewed him is irrelevant;

So having that candidate as a guest on the owner's show is not supportive? They could have just ignored him or attacked him.

Has KBLA actively endorsed ANYONE for governor?

 

[ChannelFlipper]

So having that candidate as a guest on the owner's show is not supportive? They could have just ignored him or attacked him.

No it is not. An interview is not an endorsement of any kind unless the host has informed his audience that it is so. It is an act of providing information to the audience about current events that will have a significant impact on them, regardless of who wins the recall, and I applaud Tavis and KBLA for their role in fair dissemination of the useful information by granting the intervew. But Tavis has gone no further than that, nor do I expect that he will. That goes for any other hosts on the station as well. I am quite sure they will have plenty guests on that will disparage the Elder candidacy.

I don't know what you mean by "fairness"? Any concept of "fairness" is not relevant or even applicable to a prediction. Either my prediction comes true or it doesn't.

 

[TheBigA]

I don't know what you mean by "fairness"? Any concept of "fairness" is not relevant or even applicable to a prediction. Either my prediction comes true or it doesn't.

Your "prediction" seems to be completely against Larry's point of view. From what I've read, Larry isn't running as a black candidate, and he doesn't want blacks to vote for him because he's black. Them supporting him would be antithetical to what he stands for. If they endorsed him, he might turn it down. KBLA endorsing Larry is something that he wouldn't approve.

Groucho Marx - I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.

I am quite sure they will have plenty guests on that will disparage the Elder candidacy.

Guests don't represent the views or opinions of the station or its management. I was taught to say that.

Larry himself was a guest. If being a guest represents the views of the station, then consider it an endorsement.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Your "prediction" seems to be completely against Larry's point of view. From what I've read, Larry isn't running as a black candidate, and he doesn't want blacks to vote for him because he's black. Them supporting him would be antithetical to what he stands for. If they endorsed him, he might turn it down. KBLA endorsing Larry is something that he wouldn't approve.

Now you are displaying both political naivete and a complete lack of understanding of what Larry is all about. I really suggest you listen to his show.

Larry would gladly take any radio station's endorsement, but particularly KBLA's as it would be evidence that his message is resonating with the black community at large and he was able to flip the views of a long-time progressive, just as he did with Leo Terrell.

As for the prediction, you are really making (a lot) more out of it than there is. I shouldn't encourage you, but I will add a bit of nuance, to my last post about interviews and endorsement. What I said in the prior post about an interview is not an endorsement still stands, but it stands on its own, all else equal.

In the real world all else is not equal. If KBLA does nothing for the next four weeks but give more interviews to Larry and his supporters without a significant presentation of the other points of view, it can be said that the station came out in favor of Larry, even if he is not formally endorsed. The same goes the other way. If the only thing the station does is give Larry an hour of airtime, but spends the next four weeks bashing him across all hosts and interviewing anti-Larry commentators or candidates, then they have effectively endorsed the other side, again, endorsement spoken or not.

I am not a KBLA listener and do not plan to monitor the station for the next four weeks, so I will have to be relying on second-hand reporting for my information, but my guess is that what will happen is the latter scenario and that is what will be reported. Again, it is just a prediction, not advocacy in any direction, so we will just see.

 

[TheBigA]

Larry would gladly take any radio station's endorsement, but particularly KBLA's as it would be evidence that his message is resonating with the black community at large and he was able to flip the views of a long-time progressive, just as he did with Leo Terrell.

I read his entire plank. Nowhere does it say that he seeks to resonate with the black community. Nor does he seek to "flip" anyone's views. He doesn't see black people as victims, and he bristles at the idea that black people should do anything to give an advantage to someone because they're black. So as I said, your prediction is antithetical to what he stands for.

If the only thing the station does is give Larry an hour of airtime, but spends the next four weeks bashing him across all hosts and interviewing anti-Larry commentators or candidates, then they have effectively endorsed the other side, again, endorsement spoken or not.

Suppose they do neither. Which is likely. The election isn't about Larry. It's about Newsom.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

I read his entire plank. Nowhere does it say that he seeks to resonate with the black community. Nor does he seek to "flip" anyone's views. He doesn't see black people as victims, and he bristles at the idea that black people should do anything to give an advantage to someone because they're black. So as I said, your prediction is antithetical to what he stands for.



Suppose they do neither. Which is likely. The election isn't about Larry. It's about Newsom.

I think reading his platform must be your first introduction to him. I am glad you are taking the first step to understanding him and what small "l" libertarianism is all about; I think it will help you greatly going forward. If you think Larry isn't trying to "flip" people's views, you REALLY do not understand the man. Take it from someone who has listened to Larry for decades, I am pretty sure I can speak authoritatively on this subject.

If you would like to delve deeper into the concept as it applies to modern politics, there are many good books I can recommend to you. Don't start with Rand or Hayek, that is to long a slug for even most conservatives, but rather, Larry has plenty of them himself including:

• The 10 Things You Cannot Say in America
• Double Standards: The Selective Outrage of the Left
• Showdown: Confronting Bias, Lies, and the Special Interests that Divide America
• Bad News for Race Hustlers

There are more where that came from, just check out Amazon.com.

As for KBLA, the more it looks like Newsom might lose, the more you will hear from them. That is a prediction you can take to the bank!

 

[TheBigA]

If you think Larry isn't trying to "flip" people's views, you REALLY do not understand the man.

That would be anti-conservative. Libertarians believe in free will. Flipping someone takes away their free will.

Endorsing Elder because he is black would be the progressive thing to do, which is why he'd object.

As I said, he wants no advantages because he's black.

 

[ragazzo-pazzo]

I don't care if Larry has liberals on his show. Would he ever support one for political office? That's what you want KBLA to do.

I guess I missed the part where CF said he "wants" KBLA to support Elder. Devil in the details.

 

[TheBigA]

I guess I missed the part where CF said he "wants" KBLA to support Elder.

I guess you also missed where he said that himself