In the reverse, i have no AM transmitters within about 180 miles! KNSA 930 Unalakleet is about 180 miles to my NW with 5kw full time and KAGV 1110 Big Lake, AK with 10kw full time is about 180 miles to my SE. KYUK 640 i think is a bit farther and to my SW... then the next nearest is fairbanks, 250 or so miles NE
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In the reverse, i have no AM transmitters within about 180 miles! KNSA 930 Unalakleet is about 180 miles to my NW with 5kw full time and KAGV 1110 Big Lake, AK with 10kw full time is about 180 miles to my SE. KYUK 640 i think is a bit farther and to my SW... then the next nearest is fairbanks, 250 or so miles NE
Can you receive any of them from McGrath daytime? Me living in Cheyenne, and considering you used to live in Laramie, it must be a different feeling to not have the AM dial filled to the brim. On a related note, how much skywave coverage do you get at night?
Oof, I can't image how much blockage that would cause. Locally I do have a 10kw station (1630) within the city borders, an 8.5kw station (650) within 7 miles, and the nearest 50kw is about 50 miles away (1060). The 10kw and 8.5kw goes down at night to 1kw and 500w respectively, which allows me to hear adjacent, but I have yet to null them out on-channel.
Northern Michigan is like that. But if you have a good antenna and or preamp, you can get scores of stations in the Daytime. David can tell you from experience DXing. They have lost a lot of stations over the years, especially in the sandy gravelly rocky central Northern Lower Peninsula area. WSNQ 900, WBMB 1060, WCEN 1150, WHGR 1290, WDEE 1500, and WSHN 1550 are six. They just don't get out that well. Even a few of the "coastal" Class Cs have disappeared.
Impressive catch. Belated congratulattions! CFCO has become pretty much a regular here but not quite an automatic, When they were on their old 1kw night pattern, they were tough duty here, but listenable nightly in Detroit, Toledo, and Cleveland.
Sidebar point, IF all goes as planned I'll be in Canada next week, and my itinary should take me on the 401 between London and Detroit. Thus right past the CFCO towers next Friday. They're in the middle of some very flat farm country about a mile north of the freeway. Easily visible because those towers are very tall. This will be on my route home, and yes, I plan to track the day signal.. My trip isn't 100% definite, but probably 80-90% likely. As always, if and/or when anything of interest pops up alonmy journey, I'll post it.
When my family vacationed in Fremont, Mi in the late 60s, the transistor radio I brought with me was pretty deaf, and local WSHN-1550 was all I could get during the day. I had better radios the next couple of years and for my top 40 listening I had listenable, but far from local signal levels from WOKY and WGRD.
Western Ontario, north of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota is also like that. Lots of empty space on the AM dial by day, but a feast at night. Surprisingly (at least to me), there are usually a number FM signals present....including some from the U.S. Mostly weak, but listenable.
I used to be able to hear CFCO via groundwave in the North Chicago suburbs on a good radio until WMFN came on.
You can still hear them sometimes, quite weakly, on Lake Shore Drive during the daytime. Same for CKLW and WJR. Another one I heard recently there that surprised me was WTCM 580 in Traverse City... on some of the bends on Lake Shore Drive, WILL would fade out and to my surprise WTCM was present.
The same night I had KBRF-1250 Fergus Falls MN in the pileup with a TOH ID, never heard since. And a Spanish station mixed with them, which I'm 70% sure was KYYS Kansas City. It was in the wrong direction for then-Regional Mexican KLLK Willits CA. I also snagged KSJB-600 ND that night for the first time, only heard a handful of times since.
The buildings on Lake Shore Drive act like parasitic directors and reflectors for the various frequencies. Buildings near 1/4 wavelength plus or minus are the ones that usually act like parasitics.
WSGW 790 is another one that is heard on Lake Shore Drive in certain places.
I've heard WSGW in a few spots on Lake Shore Drive. Since WNDZ came on the air I don't hear WJR's groundwave.
That would make sense, and would explain why I'd hear WTCM on a few bends while the others are heard on the straightaways... WTCM is to the north and the others more easterly. The other phenomenon of this kind I've experienced is on the entryway to Lake Shore Drive from Wacker Drive, if you know the area... on the high end of the AM I've gotten amplification. One time around sunset I got "Newsradio 1620" there which could only be WNRP in Pensacola. That's the only time I've heard them.
I'll have to try that out the next time I go to Chicago, or maybe Denver.
Are the buildings near where you hear WTCM around 425 feet high?
I don't know the exact heights of the buildings around there but there are definitely buildings that high near Lake Shore Drive.
I knew that you guys who live closer to the lake could occasionally hear CFCO daytime on Lake Shore drive and similar roads near the waterfront. I've never heard it myself at my location, roughly 30 miles inland. If anything, I'd get KXOK....in and out on a good car radio. But I haven't heard the Saint Louis 630 during daytime with the subsequent occupants of the frequency.
I will be tracking CFCO next week on my planned road trip to Canada. The daytime signal doesn't go east very well. I believe they're still obliged to protect the defunct CJET, 630 from Smith's Falls, Ontario. The bigger issue is a 50kw highly directional 640 in Toronto (CFMJ). West is another story. CFCO is listenable along I-94 pretty much across the entire lower Michigan peninsula until splatter from WTMJ overtakes it.
WTCM is a bit of a surprise for me. I've never heard it here under WILL and I've only heard it a handful of times at night.
Finally, WSGW. I've heard them here daytime when WBBM has been off. (Which certainly is rare). WSGW comes right in. Interestingly enough, I had never heard WSGW here at night until just a couple of weeks ago. Someone posted that KXXX from Colby, Kansas was running 5kw day power at night. So I tried 790 the next morning an hour or two before sunrise with WBBM nulled. No trace of KXXX, Instead it was all WSGW. "Normally" 790 has been relatively empty at my location since CKSO from Sudbury, ON moved to FM and WBBM turned off its iboc noisemaker.
I used to get KXOK also if I turned the radio the other way. I haven't heard St Louis on 630 in awhile either.
According to Scott Fybush, he can hear CFCO 630 from near Rochester, NY, all the way to central Indiana, the only station that does so. CFOS 560 can be heard Days in Western New York and in Northern Michigan.
WTMJ 620 IBOC sidebands limit CFCO 630 in Western and Northern Michigan.
WTMJ 620 IBOC sidebands limit CFCO 630 in Western and Northern Michigan.