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How does one get the chance to help with ratings through nielsen?
Nielsen just measures audience. It does not “help” stations. There are known techniques for programmers to increase listening, but those are programming tactics and not provided by Nielsen .

A cop’s speed radar does not help you drive, either. It just measures it.
 
A cop’s speed radar does not help you drive, either. It just measures it.

Well if you want to use that analogy, while a cop's radar merely measures speed, it dramatically alters the way people drive when they know it's in use.

There's the argument that people may similarly alter the way they consume media (like radio) when they know it's being measured. A very smart PD I know once said, people don't report their listening, they vote for their favorite station.
 
That situation already exists. But because conservative talk mainly appeals to over 55, there aren't many agency ads involved. They already have DNB notations against airing in controversial talk programming. Those talk stations mainly live on 1-800, drug company ads, and infomercials.
No, they don’t. Talk networks rely on those categories and the ubiquitous My Pillow. But local revenue is quite diverse, from car dealers to insurance agents. Many local accounts don’t look at ratings as a primary indicator… they look át what their customers or potential customers use. So 55 and over is not a negative ther and they can do very well despite agency dictates.
 
Well if you want to use that analogy, while a cop's radar merely measures speed, it dramatically alters the way people drive when they know it's in use.
No, it only alters it for scofflaws. The rest of us do nothing different
There's the argument that people may similarly alter the way they consume media (like radio) when they know it's being measured. A very smart PD I know once said, people don't report their listening, they vote for their favorite station.
And, despite 40 years of reviewing diaries at Arbitron, I never saw evidence of that. With the PPM you don’t vote anyway as the device hears what you hear.

What did happen in the diary is that incidental listening to secondary stations was under-reported. For example, a person who got in the car each morning and went to the news station for traffic for five to ten minutes often did not write that down. In the PPM the meter picks it up.
 
No, it only alters it for scofflaws. The rest of us do nothing different.
Fun thing one can do on a road trip is go to that arch in Kearney, Nebraska, and get to the part where there is still an active speed-gun out there. I can confirm that most people don't change their driving habits, however there is the chance they don't even realize it is right above them.
 
All that works fine until your local talk show hosts says something that makes national news, and makes his show toxic.
But how often does that happen to a WSB or KFI? Where there is a good PD there is discipline and team spirit, not loose cannons.
 
That's what Sports Hub is doing in Boston, and WFAN is evolving into that in NYC. Most of it is airing at night.
I have to be honest that I haven't listened to either station at night, unless they are covering a game. Obviously I'm in the Sports Hub's market. I am able to pick up WFAN-AM at night.
 
But how often does that happen to a WSB or KFI? Where there is a good PD there is discipline and team spirit, not loose cannons.
Although long ago, I would put the Dennis and Calahan incident on WEEI in that category, when there was a gorilla that escaped from a Boston zoo.

Also with WEEI, the dropped Kirk Miniham (spelling?) For that same loose cannon attitude.
 
Nielsen just measures audience. It does not “help” stations. There are known techniques for programmers to increase listening, but those are programming tactics and not provided by Nielsen .

A cop’s speed radar does not help you drive, either. It just measures it.
I wanted to know how I can get my radio station listening measured by Neilson.
 
I wanted to know how I can get my radio station listening measured by Neilson.
You can't. Nielsen does a random sample of persons in each radio market and invite them to participate. You can not offer to participate or join a group that does that.

In diary markets, the chances of being enlisted / invited are about once in every 50 years or more and then only if you have never moved or changed your name.
 
You can't. Nielsen does a random sample of persons in each radio market and invite them to participate. You can not offer to participate or join a group that does that.

In diary markets, the chances of being enlisted / invited are about once in every 50 years or more and then only if you have never moved or changed your name.
That's insane! Lol.
 
Who would pay for it? What radio companies are doing now is what gets them the most listeners. You may find it boring, but they do it because it works.

Outside the box thinking works in non-commercial radio. The catch is the listeners have to be willing to subscribe.
Respectfully, how do you know that "What radio companies are doing now is what gets them the most listeners?" Have radio companies tried every possible method to gain more listeners? Might there be strategies that haven't even been imagined?

And why double down on a losing strategy? Revenue is down. Einstein said that doing the same thing repeatedly, in hopes of a different outcome, is insanity. Why not find ways to better the product and increase revenue?
 
That's insane! Lol.
I got my once-in-a-lifetime chance when Hartford was still a diary market. I was delighted to have a chance, then incredibly depressed when I saw the ratings period I was to record. All but two days of it would be spent on vacation -- in another radio market. Knowing even then that my listening to Boston stations wouldn't count in the Boston ratings or the Hartford ratings, I sent the book back with notations only of the XM satellite channels I listened to, figuring that where I was when I listened to those couldn't be known to Arbitron (as it was known then).
 
Respectfully, how do you know that "What radio companies are doing now is what gets them the most listeners?" Have radio companies tried every possible method to gain more listeners? Might there be strategies that haven't even been imagined?

There are hundreds of radio companies. They're doing different things. We can see the results. We can also see what non-commercial stations do. Pretty much every option is being tried in some way and in some place. That's what competition is all about. If there was a strategy that worked better, everyone would jump on it. Right now, the main strategy the bigger companies are doing is diversifying revenue streams.

Just gaining more listeners doesn't matter if a gain in listeners doesn't result in more revenue. Weigel is having great success with its METV-FM oldies stations, but they're not doing it to attract advertisers, but attract viewers to their TV service. So that strategy won't help radio-only companies.

And why double down on a losing strategy? Revenue is down. Einstein said that doing the same thing repeatedly, in hopes of a different outcome, is insanity. Why not find ways to better the product and increase revenue?

When revenue is down, you focus on fixing the revenue problem. That's what they're doing. Revenue to conventional broadcasting (that includes TV) is declining, so broadcasting is diversifying. So media companies are investing in streaming, podcasting, and other non-broadcast options. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. Right now the most growth is coming from digital options, not broadcasting. If advertising is not growing, then offer subscription options. That's why you're seeing growth in OTT video such as Peacock and Hulu. Radio options are also being considered, but it would take millions of subscribers for it to work. Sirius already has inroads in that area. So every option is being considered.
 
Respectfully, how do you know that "What radio companies are doing now is what gets them the most listeners?" Have radio companies tried every possible method to gain more listeners? Might there be strategies that haven't even been imagined?
While deep research has been more limited during the pandemic, stations and owner groups do rather deep research when there is a need for a new format unless there is a very obvious format hole in the market.

Of course, in most cases we are talking about music formats. That means a focus on one kind of music or a blend of compatible or related genres.

The kind of perceptual research done in these cases involves testing multiple genres of music to find both appeal and the ability to mix some of the genres together. The options are weighed against listener opinions on whether they would try a new station of a particular blend as well as how well existing stations are covering that kind of music.

So the answer is "Yes" and stations and owners do try to find new variants. But remember, in the two-thirds of a century that radio has been a predominantly music based medium, there have been only a small number of formats created going back to the original MOR, Top 40 and R&B formats of the later 50's in the U.S.
 
That's insane! Lol.
It's not insane, it is "practical". Stations only pay for as big a sample of listeners as needed to satisfy the mostly agency accounts that buy radio advertising based on ratings. The process is very, very expensive so the samples (the number of persons participating in each survey period) is limited by pure economics.

You may have noticed that the political samples for last year's Presidential election were generally in the 800 to 1200 size for the whole country. It is relatively easy to get quite dependable results with small samples if they are well designed and recruited.
 
There are hundreds of radio companies. They're doing different things. We can see the results. We can also see what non-commercial stations do. Pretty much every option is being tried in some way and in some place. That's what competition is all about. If there was a strategy that worked better, everyone would jump on it. Right now, the main strategy the bigger companies are doing is diversifying revenue streams.

Just gaining more listeners doesn't matter if a gain in listeners doesn't result in more revenue. Weigel is having great success with its METV-FM oldies stations, but they're not doing it to attract advertisers, but attract viewers to their TV service. So that strategy won't help radio-only companies.



When revenue is down, you focus on fixing the revenue problem. That's what they're doing. Revenue to conventional broadcasting (that includes TV) is declining, so broadcasting is diversifying. So media companies are investing in streaming, podcasting, and other non-broadcast options. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. Right now the most growth is coming from digital options, not broadcasting. If advertising is not growing, then offer subscription options. That's why you're seeing growth in OTT video such as Peacock and Hulu. Radio options are also being considered, but it would take millions of subscribers for it to work. Sirius already has inroads in that area. So every option is being considered.
We have argued this ad nauseum in the past, but I would like to respond. Most markets have 1-3 radio companies, and most of the top 100 markets are dominated by iHeart and/or Audacy. Can you provide evidence that these "hundreds of radio companies" are "doing different things?" I see no evidence. This is what I see:
1. Other than Jack formats, playlists have universally tightened.
2. Stations nearly uniformly sound like juke boxes.
3. Nationwide voicetracking is happening seemingly everywhere, and some dayparts within some companies have become nationalized.
4. There's less local control of musical content.

And I am not the only one who doesn't like this. Revenue is down. Listenership is down. Many people agree.

What new ideas have been tried in the last three years? I can't think of any new ideas other than doubling down on what does not work. What content has been created in order to provide a compelling reason to choose radio over other forms of media?

When revenue is down, creativity is needed to fix the revenue problem. Doubling down could cause radio to disappear; eventually, revenue could decline even more. I am not talking about diversifying; that is a must. I am talking about radio itself.

And one more thing: Gaining more listeners, by definition, should increase advertiser interest. That should bring more revenue. But it is not happening.
 
Perhaps, just spitballing, “traditional radio” listenership reflects the expanded options for content? Perhaps that’s why major companies have diversified into multiple types of content delivery?

The idea that there’s some magical formula the big bad companies have ignored to return AM/FM to whatever reference point in the past one chooses is pure fiction.
 
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