…and I missed my own point in replying to yours. So, would the old 1950s/60s simulcast ID of “KNX AM and FM, Los Angeles” be illegal?
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KNX onto … 97.1??
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I think you're referring to the tone that is part of the CBS network newscast. You won't hear the tone each time KNX starts an hour with a local news story.
As far as I know, the only US radio station that still has its own top-of-the-hour tone is New York all-news station 1010 WINS. It also has a bottom-of-the-hour tone.
a waste of space....... i could squeeze "knx and knx fm, knx fm hd1 los angeles and krth hd2 los angeles" into 4 seconds just by speed reading...... what youve proposed there would take up enough time to do the id and a weather forecast
I tuned in last night, and the anchors only mentioned 97 FM or 97.1 FM. Hope they revise that to include 1070 AM (like KCBS/KFRC San Francisco always includes 740), because the 1070 signal coverage is significantly larger than 97.1. For instance, in most parts of San Diego you cannot pick up 97.1, but 1070 comes in like a local.
I don't think WINS has a real time tone anymore, since it always happens exactly in the middle of their pre-recorded ID. Either the news anchors are really good with their timing, or the tone is baked into the ID and isn't firing off exactly at :00 and :30 like it used to.
Just like CBS Network News's top-of-hour "bong" -- it's pre-recorded into their news sounder.
But it amazes me how many radio and TV news themes still have a staccato rhythm meant to imitate the sound of Morse code!
Well, KNX and KRTH are both licensed to Los Angeles and thus why I said it that way.
Plus, WINS does speed reading by saying "WINS/WINS-HD/WNEW-FM-HD3 New York"
And stations do like to include imaging in their IDs.
KCBS’s was “What’s happening and why. KCBS-AM, KFRC-FM and HD-1, San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose.” Eight seconds with great music (it’s a bed that gives anchors 45 seconds or so to promote stories coming up).
When their voice guy, the great Nick Michaels passed, they switched to a female voice (sounds like Randy Thomas to me) and changed the opening line to “When you need to know.”
I still miss hearing Nick Michaels on the radio. He was great on KCBS and The Drive in Chicago (was also on KFI and The Sound in LA, although not at the same time). He was absolutely one of a kind!
One time, maybe 15 years ago, I talked to him on the phone. I can't recall exactly how the call came about. Anyway, he was incredibly generous with his time for someone he didn't know. I probably spoke to him for at least an hour and during that time he explained in detail to me his philosophy about imaging, story telling, and voice work along with stories about his work history (he was the longtime voice for Excedrin, among others) and life in general.
In this case, KNX aren't just the call letters but they are also the station's brand, so of course they matter.
I highly doubt Audacy wants to have a different set of call letters at the top of every hour muddling their brand presentation, so I do think they'll change them to KNX-FM very soon.
I've already noticed that the bottom-of-the-hour tone is the first note a four-note tune. As for the top-of-the-hour tone, it marks the beginning of the news sounder in which the announcer says, "All News. All The Time. This is 1010 WINS New York."
Did you read my entire sentence? The context of my comment was that callsigns don't matter broadly for most stations and all the talk specifically about the call sign for 97.1 is for the most part meaningless as 1070 is KNX and will be KNX going forward and is not going anywhere anytime soon.
The point wasn't that KNX the call sign in general or KNX as a brand don't matter. Come on.
I just checked my recording of the ID. It's actually,
Notice that the FM suffix is not used.
Ah okay.
I thought it was "KCBS-AM and HD, KFRC-FM and HD1, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose."
KZHP-LPFM On 93.3 which is on Richard's Blvd. Right near downtown.and KYWS-LPFM On 92.9 which is still playing the exact same play list the entire time its been on the air. What a waste. Somebody wake these people running KYWS-LPFM Up!!!! These low power fm stations need to properly funded in order to build useful broadcast operations. KZHP-LPFM On the other hand is a very well operated station.
It was until they shut off the AM HD four or five years ago.
The rules state that you can only have the frequency between the call letters and location. This prevents you from saying for instance, "KYW, The Sound of Philadelphia" or my favorite from childhood, "This is KISN, serving the great Oregon Territory from Vancouver(WA).". You can also list the company but I've never heard it used. Over 50 years ago, it was decided that you couldn't use "AM" in the calls, as in "AM & FM", probably because "AM" is never part of AM calls.
There's been so many stations that would bury the real Legal ID several minutes before or after the top-of-the-hour, and then still use such imagery you mention. It's a neat way to promote your own branding, but it's absolutely sickening that they can get away with hiding the ID in a stop-set. Sometimes, at :48 past the hour I will hear a really rushed, quiet ID and then they'll pretend that they didn't do such a sinful thing as a simple ID. C'mon, stations! You should do what WAVF Charleston does: Have the announcer make a playful joke about the Legal ID, and then ride into that ID with pride. "Just like the cable guy, we are required by law to show you our ID, and since you can't see our ID, we'll speak it instead" - A real quip from the announcer back in 2014.
KCBS either does not know or does not care. “AM” has been part of their legal ID for 13 years.
I have, during the 1980s. It was "1050 WHN, Mutual Radio, New York."
LOL.. sickening? Hardly. Listeners dont care about station id's, only radio geeks.
I once heard "wkxwtrentonwixmmillville" Crammed into 1.5 seconds in the middle of a commercial break
I've also heard "wwbbprovidence" in 1 second between commercials.
When i worked in Florida, I would frequently hide the ID ".....and that's your brevard county traffic and weather together.. it;s 85 degrees in titusville, 83 in vero beach and your current WTIR Cocoa Beach temperature is 81."
And here in Alaska, I rush through 9 stations in 15 seconds. Audio:
No one gives a crap about the content of what i just described except radio geeks. No one.
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