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November 2021 Trends

November 2021 "Trends" Persons 12+ Mon-Sun 6a - 12 mid

Movement afoot.
WBLK atop the heap.
WGRF stable and inching up.
WYRK eroding, down nearly 2 shares since August, but The Wolf is languishing unimpressive.

You're next...
 
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WYRK eroding, down nearly 2 shares since August, but The Wolf is languishing unimpressive.

Where did WYRK's 2 shares go? Remember that this is a diary book, not PPM. So The Wolf is depending on new listeners to remember who they're listening to. It's going to take time to build a brand. They haven't done that yet.

Also the loss of Shredd & Ragan is having an effect at WEDG.
 
Where did WYRK's 2 shares go? Remember that this is a diary book, not PPM. So The Wolf is depending on new listeners to remember who they're listening to. It's going to take time to build a brand. They haven't done that yet.

Also the loss of Shredd & Ragan is having an effect at WEDG.

True enough; I've heard bits and pieces of Cassiday's morning show and I don't think it'd be too off base to compare her(in a good way)to a somewhat earthier version of Bentley. That said, mornings are still a work in progress.
 
These two threads on the same topic were put up within seconds of each other. GMTA, eh. Maybe the admins can combine them, delete one or the other. I have no qualms if this one rolls into the other.

As to The Wolf, I'd have thought it would be nudging at least a 2 share Persons 12+ because Audacy is buying TV... as if that means anything special these days. They're also hammering "107-7 and 104-7." Then again, signal, reach, recall and ... signal.


WYRK's slide is of concern and the real story here. The new PD couldn't come in at a better time to right the ship. Townsquare corporate should actually let him program the station and handle the music locally.

WECK is essentially unchanged. Little more than a month into their "Big Weck" positioning and format adjustment, there was no expectation for it to reach a 4 or 5 this soon. Maybe six months from now.

WBUF's attempt to take on 97 Rock is foundering. It may be time to spin the ... Wheel! Of! Formats!

Is the Shredd and Ragan show the reason for 97 Rock's bump, or has the new PD broadened the music and gone deeper and wider?

WGR inching up as the Bills keep fans of the edge of their seats for various reasons.

WHTT making the most of playing listeners' favorite 287 Classic Hits, also inching up.

WBFO up a smidge.

WBEN seems to have benefited from stirring up the anti-mask/anti-vax rabble, as Western New York posts some of the highest daily and seven day positivity numbers (in the upper 9 and lower 10 range) in all of NY state, and at least three hospitals dangeorusly close to capacity thanks in large measure to the unvaxxed. "Freedom," and all that.

WBEN must be so proud of itself.

 
As to The Wolf, I'd have thought it would be nudging at least a 2 share Persons 12+ because Audacy is buying TV... as if that means anything special these days.

Once again, this is a trend covering three months (Aug 19-Nov10), and the TV ads just started running. It will take a while for that to factor in.
 
Where did WYRK's 2 shares go? Remember that this is a diary book, not PPM. So The Wolf is depending on new listeners to remember who they're listening to. It's going to take time to build a brand. They haven't done that yet.
WYRK is slipping. The incoming PD surely has been told to stop the bleeding. The Wolf is still no factor in WYRK's decline. It doesn't look like anyone substituted The Wolf for WYRK in the diary. If people can't remember what they are listening to, it means the brand has no identity.

WBUF is a Dumpster Fire. Everything about that format is abysmal...
 
If they were to flip, what could WBUF flip to? Back to Adult Hits? Kick WEDG while it's down and go Alt? TSQ has tried a competitor to Star/Kiss, so it's unlikely they'll go back down that road. There's not many format holes in Buffalo.
 
If they were to flip, what could WBUF flip to? Back to Adult Hits? Kick WEDG while it's down and go Alt? TSQ has tried a competitor to Star/Kiss, so it's unlikely they'll go back down that road. There's not many format holes in Buffalo.
True. Most of the holes are filled, or at least patched. Good question, though.
Adult Hits did a heck of a lot better than the present format.
 
True. Most of the holes are filled, or at least patched. Good question, though.
Adult Hits did a heck of a lot better than the present format.
I was pretty perplexed by the decision to drop Jack for rock. I could see them not wanting to pay for the naming rights, but they could've used some other brand. I'm sure clearing UCR and FB&HW had to do with it.
 
True. Most of the holes are filled, or at least patched. Good question, though.
Adult Hits did a heck of a lot better than the present format.
Townsquare wanted to get their Free Beer show on the air in Buffalo. They dumped JACK for that reason (and saved a few bucks on the fee to use the name). They probably knew this would fail. The current format on WBUF is exactly what the snarky sweepers on JACK used to mock...
 
If they were to flip, what could WBUF flip to? Back to Adult Hits? Kick WEDG while it's down and go Alt? TSQ has tried a competitor to Star/Kiss, so it's unlikely they'll go back down that road. There's not many format holes in Buffalo.

If WBUF switches to alternative(and that's not a given), at least it'll have someone with a bit of experience in doing that format in Nik Rivers(he of Alternative Buffalo fame).
 
If WBUF switches to alternative(and that's not a given), at least it'll have someone with a bit of experience in doing that format in Nik Rivers(he of Alternative Buffalo fame).
Talk about spinning the wheel of futility. 107.7 failed badly. The Edge has had only middling success in the Alternative realm. Rivers will be lucky if he is still employed in 6 months...
 
Maybe they should try something with some compelling content. The results don't lie. Rehashing Classic Rock isn't working. The people who enjoy 97 Rock are satisfied over there. The people who think 97 Rock sucks aren't looking for a clone down the dial...
The playlist and approach for Lake was much different than 97 Rock.

The problem now is everyone is too late to the party for a new format. Heritage formats will survive, the others won’t go anywhere. They are not making new terrestrial radio listeners anymore.

All these moves of formats should have been years ago, when people still cared.

There is not 1 station in Buffalo that has flipped format in the past few years that has been a major success.

The only type format that would be semi successful is a perfectly done live local talk format. Otherwise, all format changes will go nowhere, as I predicted for wolf, vibe, hld, buf, ebr, breeze, alt Buffalo, nothing. Unless a totally new concept in content for talk radio comes up, no one is going anywhere

The weak will get weaker, the top players will still be top players in radio, but to a way lesser degree.

Reading the diaries like I have only reinforced what I already knew.

There are A players like YRK, BEN, GRF, BLK. ……Now, there are a plethora of B stations , WECK, WMSX, , WKSE,WTSS, WGR, WBFO, WHTT,

Then the abyss WLKK, WBUF, WEDG, WXRL, WUFO, WLVL, WEBR, WHLD, WWKB

WECK is a top ten Buffalo station. 2 months ago it was #9. Does that not tell you something? WECK is 1K watts, beating 110,000 watt WTSS

I am not just talking about WECK because I own it, but it is a perfect example that WECK is going to keep doing well because the others are falling so quick. That is because corporate does not care. They are now digital companies.

Take a look at the 3 Wall Street companies website , and then look at WECK. It is clear these companies are just boiler plate and do not give a shit.

They will be sold off. One company more likely than the other 2 , sooner than later

It will be better for all of us when they do.
 
The playlist and approach for Lake was much different than 97 Rock.

The problem now is everyone is too late to the party for a new format. Heritage formats will survive, the others won’t go anywhere. They are not making new terrestrial radio listeners anymore.

All these moves of formats should have been years ago, when people still cared.

There is not 1 station in Buffalo that has flipped format in the past few years that has been a major success.

The only type format that would be semi successful is a perfectly done live local talk format. Otherwise, all format changes will go nowhere, as I predicted for wolf, vibe, hld, buf, ebr, breeze, alt Buffalo, nothing. Unless a totally new concept in content for talk radio comes up, no one is going anywhere

The weak will get weaker, the top players will still be top players in radio, but to a way lesser degree.

Reading the diaries like I have only reinforced what I already knew.

There are A players like YRK, BEN, GRF, BLK. ……Now, there are a plethora of B stations , WECK, WMSX, , WKSE,WTSS, WGR, WBFO, WHTT,

Then the abyss WLKK, WBUF, WEDG, WXRL, WUFO, WLVL, WEBR, WHLD, WWKB

WECK is a top ten Buffalo station. 2 months ago it was #9. Does that not tell you something? WECK is 1K watts, beating 110,000 watt WTSS

I am not just talking about WECK because I own it, but it is a perfect example that WECK is going to keep doing well because the others are falling so quick. That is because corporate does not care. They are now digital companies.

Take a look at the 3 Wall Street companies website , and then look at WECK. It is clear these companies are just boiler plate and do not give a crap.

They will be sold off. One company more likely than the other 2 , sooner than later

It will be better for all of us when they do.
Your assessment is accurate. Potential listeners are more savvy than Radio companies think. The Lake and 97 Rock had nothing in common except sharing some artists. Totally different vibes.

WBUF has the superior signal and the product is laughable. 1.9 share says it all. The Wolf is getting nowhere on the same signal The Lake used.

WECK is serving an audience that Corporate Radio ignores. That is commendable. Many other people have just abandoned Radio because these "new" formats like WBUF are ridiculous. Fewer people bother to check in with terrestrial Radio anymore because they know there is no reason to...
 
There are only so many seats at the table. The heritage players in Buffalo don't give up their seats. These days hold them and eye each other's servings on the table. If a low-power Independent like WECK can secure a seat at the table, it's a major accomplishment. And it has.

Thinking it could swipe some food off 97 Rock's plate, WBUF rolled the dice and shed the Jack-FM brand. 97 Rock stuck WBUF in the hand with a serving fork, and kicked WBUF's chair out from under it. WBUF is no longer sitting at the table, it's now eating at the kiddies' table in the kitchen with WXRL, WUFO and The Wolf. WBUF as "the new-era of Classic Rock" has failed to launch. Cheap Beer and Stale Wings isn't cutting it. The rest of the station is a "meh."

David Eduardo noted in previous threads that he believed Sparknet's licensing terms for Jack-FM are flexible outside the Top 50 markets. Jack-FM was a known brand and most likely remains so in this market. The Jack-FM brand and format was effectively executed years ago by a program director who's now programming 97 Rock. Townsquare should consider sending the present WBUF PD to Sparknet boot camp and re-launching the Jack-FM format.

"You go back, Jack, do it again,

wheel turnin' 'round and 'round...
You go back, Jack, do it again."
 
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Your assessment is accurate. Potential listeners are more savvy than Radio companies think. The Lake and 97 Rock had nothing in common except sharing some artists. Totally different vibes.

WBUF has the superior signal and the product is laughable. 1.9 share says it all. The Wolf is getting nowhere on the same signal The Lake used.

WECK is serving an audience that Corporate Radio ignores. That is commendable. Many other people have just abandoned Radio because these "new" formats like WBUF are ridiculous. Fewer people bother to check in with terrestrial Radio anymore because they know there is no reason to...
Spot on
 
There are only so many seats at the table. The heritage players in Buffalo don't give up their seats. These days hold them and eye each other's servings on the table. If a low-power Independent like WECK can secure a seat at the table, it's a major accomplishment. And it has.

Thinking it could swipe some food off 97 Rock's plate, WBUF rolled the dice and shed the Jack-FM brand. 97 Rock stuck WBUF in the hand with a serving fork, and kicked WBUF's chair out from under it. WBUF is no longer sitting at the table, it's now eating at the kiddies' table in the kitchen with WXRL, WUFO and The Wolf. WBUF as "the new-era of Classic Rock" has failed to launch. Cheap Beer and Stale Wings isn't cutting it. The rest of the station is a "meh."

David Eduardo noted in previous threads that he believed Sparknet's licensing terms for Jack-FM are flexible outside the Top 50 markets. Jack-FM was a known brand and most likely remains so in this market. The Jack-FM brand and format was effectively executed years ago by a program director who's now programming 97 Rock. Townsquare should consider sending the present WBUF PD to Sparknet boot camp and re-launching the Jack-FM format.

"You go back, Jack, do it again,

wheel turnin' 'round and 'round...
You go back, Jack, do it again."
Great assessment. I can tell you for a fact, from the top brass at these companies that they no longer care about ratings. At all.

They care about having as much as a syndicated jukebox on the air as they can. They spend very few dollars on these stations, and the outdoor marketing you may see , or tv spots is trade with the tv station or nfta

I can tell you that WECK does not do a lick of trade. I don’t allow it. Plus, trade is considered cash by the IRS, and is taxable to me. Every penny of advertising you see from WECK, I am writing a check for.

Shares overall are going to keep going down, because no one is just discovering radio. While shares from 50K stations go down, it helps WECK by default. I knew this would happen 5 years ago when I purchased it.

There is no turning back now. Corporate giants in radio have decided that radio is outdated for the most part. They need to tell their stockholders about a shiny new toy, before their stockholders bail. Right now, that’s digital, which again, radio jumped on the bandwagon too late. Instead of being proactive, radio is reactive.

I was told by senior management this month that if radio had to depend solely on spot sales to make numbers, they would be bankrupt.

They will never spend time and money to localize it, the way it should be. Like I mentioned in an earlier reply post, talk stations will do fine, if it’s local. WBEN and GR have very loyal audiences , and they are driving in their own lane, a lane they own.

I also have to hand it to YRK and GRF . They are live and local, mostly, but more importantly, they are still part of the community. When I think of both these stations, I have nothing but fond memories growing up as a kid. Super fest and Rally in the Alley with 97 Rock, weekend Jamborees with YRK. They have become part of the songbook of peoples lives. I don’t necessarily agree with the limited playlists, but that is coming from corporate.

97 Rock has some amazing jocks who grew up in our community, and sound great. Russo, JP, Tiberi, and now Shred and Regan. These are all very good jocks, music tellers, image creators and local people.

I remember the first day Clay started at YRK, part time. He and I both were on air at NUC . He has done a remarkable job catering to the country audience and becoming part of their lives.

BLK also deserves its place in the market. They have not veered from their lane in decades.

For me personally, it is actually sad to see what these other stations have become. WECK is not Z100 in NYC . I realize that. We do the best with what we have. However, I am in a place where purchasing some of these bigger wattage stations is a very true reality. However, companies won’t sell, because they may get more from investor groups when they have more stations. But you can bet, that if they do sell, in Buffalo, I will give my all to get them. Not because I am some radio tycoon, but I still believe. When people care, anything is possible.

But like always, radio is reactive, not proactive, so when these companies decide to sell, the nail in the coffin will already be hammered in





For me personally, I really try to be
 
Yikes! Where did WEBR go, they didn't even show up. They had at least a 0.4 before. Is the Soft AC/Standards approach not working? They at least had more listeners with the original Standards format
 
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