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Yes. I still feel that moment alone doomed streaming. Ad inserts still sound so bad and boring on most stations, compared to the local programming.

That might not have been helpful, but I don't think it hurt streaming as badly as you think it did. Streaming was still relatively in its infancy at the time, and few people listened to it back then. Granted, this is a small and not necessarily representative sample of the population, but I remember streaming music in 2000-01, and my friends were always confused as to why I would be listening to music on my computer instead of on the radio or the CD player when they'd come over. Not all of them commented on it, but all of them noticed it. Most snickered at me for listening to the radio like that, and none inquired about how to do it themselves or what might've been available that was so interesting to me.

I agree with you that ad inserts don't work well, but I don't think most people listen to the radio for a smooth transition between the stopsets. The bigger problem the AFTRA issue created is that the internet audience has to be sold separately, and internet spots don't sell for much. What we don't know, however, is how streaming would've evolved had the AFTRA problem not arisen. Advertisers don't want to pay to reach out of market listeners who can't buy their products, and broadcasters would still need to monetize that audience to continue streaming to it. I suspect the result eventually would've been either more geofencing of streams or that out of market listeners would hear exactly what streaming listeners hear today, which is those internet only spots that don't transition well. Most of the big operators can make money off of streaming spots, but it's a very low margin business.

Now it's a bit better, with more stations available. Not sure if mobile streaming in the car works as well as some claim, having never used it.

I will also say that mobile streaming works very well. I occasionally will go through an area that lacks or otherwise has inferior cellular coverage, and it also depends on your wireless carrier. It does, however, work well so long as you have service. About 10 years ago, I got together with a friend in Iowa and drove from near St. Louis to Iowa City. My cellular network dropped off at a truck stop in far Northeast Missouri and didn't reliably come back until shortly after I crossed into the Iowa City city limits. It did, however, seem to do fine along the interstates in Iowa.
 
Advertisers don't want to pay to reach out of market listeners who can't buy their products, and broadcasters would still need to monetize that audience to continue streaming to it.

Which is why iHeart, Audacy, and others localize their commercials to the user's ISP, rather than to the originating station.

So if you're in Idaho, but you're streaming a radio station based in Wisconsin, you get Idaho commercials.
 
As for recording radio in the 70's and 80's I did a ton of it. I rarely listen to them today. Actually tried to sell such about a decade ago but nodody was interested. I still have about 100 cassette tapes of this era, but have determined its value is virtually zero. Sad.
 
Which is why iHeart, Audacy, and others localize their commercials to the user's ISP, rather than to the originating station.

So if you're in Idaho, but you're streaming a radio station based in Wisconsin, you get Idaho commercials.
Who doesn’t do this now? I haven’t heard an out of market spot on a stream in years except for when there was an accident and the station didn’t cut away from the local break at the right time.
 
As for recording radio in the 70's and 80's I did a ton of it. I rarely listen to them today. Actually tried to sell such about a decade ago but nodody was interested. I still have about 100 cassette tapes of this era, but have determined its value is virtually zero. Sad.
You have any KISW, KXRX or KZOK and I'd be interested.
 
As for recording radio in the 70's and 80's I did a ton of it. I rarely listen to them today. Actually tried to sell such about a decade ago but nodody was interested. I still have about 100 cassette tapes of this era, but have determined its value is virtually zero. Sad.
But the question is: Do you still have a viable cassette player to play those tapes?
 
Who doesn’t do this now? I haven’t heard an out of market spot on a stream in years except for when there was an accident and the station didn’t cut away from the local break at the right time.

That's the point. It was most likely going to happen for out of market listeners regardless of whether or not the AFTRA issue had happened.

I still occasionally hear local ads on out of market streams, but they're almost always locally produced ads that don't get covered probably because replacement ads don't get sold. I agree with my friends in sales who say, "NEVER give anything away." One of my beer drinking buddies is the GM of my local NPR station, and he said, "If I air a spot on my stream, I'm getting something for it, even if it's $1.00 per thousand impressions." If you give a spot away and start charging for it a few years later, clients get upset, even if you just start charging a nickel. If you charge a penny and raise the cost to a dime a few years later, the clients will usually accept it.

Probably because I do almost all my listening on aggregator apps like TuneIn, iHeart, and Audacy, I hear far fewer local ads on out of market stations. I won't say I know everything about dealing with those companies, but I understand most agreements allow them to sell spots on your behalf for which they take a rather large commission. Plus, at least for iHeart and Audacy, I understand you have to cede a portion of your digital inventory to them for listeners on their websites and apps. So, there are plenty more opportunities to cover up those unsold digital avails.
 
I have a UK classic hits station, a national operation, I listen to frequently and all the ads show up on the stream: a retirement home in Surrey, businesses in Kent, you name it. I gather there's no union-backed cost that would necessitate the removal of these "adverts" from the internet feed.
 
That's the point. It was most likely going to happen for out of market listeners regardless of whether or not the AFTRA issue had happened.

I still occasionally hear local ads on out of market streams, but they're almost always locally produced ads that don't get covered probably because replacement ads don't get sold. I agree with my friends in sales who say, "NEVER give anything away." One of my beer drinking buddies is the GM of my local NPR station, and he said, "If I air a spot on my stream, I'm getting something for it, even if it's $1.00 per thousand impressions." If you give a spot away and start charging for it a few years later, clients get upset, even if you just start charging a nickel. If you charge a penny and raise the cost to a dime a few years later, the clients will usually accept it.

Probably because I do almost all my listening on aggregator apps like TuneIn, iHeart, and Audacy, I hear far fewer local ads on out of market stations. I won't say I know everything about dealing with those companies, but I understand most agreements allow them to sell spots on your behalf for which they take a rather large commission. Plus, at least for iHeart and Audacy, I understand you have to cede a portion of your digital inventory to them for listeners on their websites and apps. So, there are plenty more opportunities to cover up those unsold digital avails.
Now I have listened to some Cumulus stations and heard stop sets that were live and not replaced online. At other times I’ll hear some online local ads mixed in with national ones in their TuneGenie streams via their websites.
 
As for the streaming issue, it seems the bigger companies split adds while it can be hit and miss with the smaller ones. I don't quite get Canadian stations, as it seems they never split. Many smaller operators (Resonnate, Fort Meyers Broadcasting, Stevens, everyone in Bend, Bicoastal) do not split their adds. Cumulus can be hit and miss depending on the market. I personally enjoy hearing the local adds, as I can get an idea of the market.
 
As for the streaming issue, it seems the bigger companies split adds while it can be hit and miss with the smaller ones. I don't quite get Canadian stations, as it seems they never split. Many smaller operators (Resonnate, Fort Meyers Broadcasting, Stevens, everyone in Bend, Bicoastal) do not split their adds. Cumulus can be hit and miss depending on the market. I personally enjoy hearing the local adds, as I can get an idea of the market.
Just to be clear, are you talking about songs or something else being added locally or "ads", as in local advertisements?
 
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