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94.7 The Block

Of course the crappy signal in Manhattan impinges ratings success. If that were a non factor, I suspect more stations would broadcast from towers in New Jersey, where real estate (or rent) is cheaper.

Nassau - Suffolk is imbedded within the NYC market; the interior New Jersey tower location does no favors in terms of grabbing ratings there.

Some of the signal issues can and should be fixed.
 
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MarkW said:
Of course the crappy signal in Manhattan impinges ratings success. If that were a non factor, I suspect more stations would broadcast from towers in New Jersey, where real estate (or rent) is cheaper.
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Height is the issue with NJ. Most of the AMs broadcast from NJ towers. If you ever travel on the NJ Turnpike near the Meadowlands, you'll see a bunch of radio towers. But the land is swampy (great for AM, but not much height for FM). Which is why top of the ESB is better. The ESB is more than twice as high as the current tower for The Block. You have to go too far west to find a mountain high enough. BTW the CP for the new tower is slightly lower than the current tower in West Orange.

MarkW said:
Nassau - Suffolk is imbedded within the NYC market; the interior New Jersey tower location does no favors in terms of grabbing ratings there.
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WNSH did better there than the local WJVC in the country format. So there is some reach in that area, But the best way to know is buy the book and see where the actual PPMs are that detect The Block. We really can't see that kind of information in the 12+ free ratings.
 
WJVC is in Central Suffolk and has to protect 96.3 from NYC. Its signal is also too Far East for listeners in Eastern Nassau and Western Suffolk.
 
djl said:
WJVC is in Central Suffolk and has to protect 96.3 from NYC. Its signal is also too Far East for listeners in Eastern Nassau and Western Suffolk.
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My point is the 94.7 signal is sufficient in Nassau-Suffolk to be detected by PPM.
 
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ScottBurns said:
Both good additions, but it looks like Ed Lover will be voicetracked.
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Very likely that all hosts of nightly music radio programs are VT. Unless they take live phone calls or broadcast news, there's no reason for the host of a radio program to sit through the playing of music sweeps and other elements that don't require their involvement. They don't jockey discs or select the music.
 
TheBigA said:
Very likely that all hosts of nightly music radio programs are VT. Unless they take live phone calls or broadcast news, there's no reason for the host of a radio program to sit through the playing of music sweeps and other elements that don't require their involvement. They don't jockey discs or select the music.
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I know the reasoning. I just don’t like it, as we’ve discussed.
 
MarkW said:
Of course the crappy signal in Manhattan impinges ratings success. If that were a non factor, I suspect more stations would broadcast from towers in New Jersey, where real estate (or rent) is cheaper.
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For FMs, being at the geographic center of the market at the greatest height is essential. The ratings market extends all the way out to Egg Harbor to the East, so moving to NJ would reduce Suffolk County coverage even more while wasting signal in counties that are not part of the ratings metro.
MarkW said:
Nassau - Suffolk is imbedded within the NYC market; the interior New Jersey tower location does no favors in terms of grabbing ratings there.
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Nassau and Suffolk counties are part of the NYC Nielsen MSA. An "embedded market" is one which is extracted from a larger market for limited coverage stations to be able to use for local sales.

Nassau and Suffolk are just as much part of the NYC radio metro as Brooklyn or Queens or Staten Island.
MarkW said:
Some of the signal issues can and should be fixed.
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Every NYC AM and FM is pretty much locked into its current facility. All FMs have co-channel and adjacent channel protections that severely limit any more at all.

AMs today are too expensive to move, and most owners won't put up the money as the band is in decline.
 
By "imbedded," I indeed meant Nassau and Suffolk are part of the NYC market and also are analyzed autonomously.

Absolutely agree about the advantages of broadcasting at great height from the geographic center of the NYC market.

I was referring specifically to 94.7's signal issues earlier; there are indeed options that can be explored to hopefully lessen those issues. Maxxcasting technology should definitely be considered.
 
I just read that Shelly Wade will be on air on The Block. I always enjoyed listening to her in midday's on Z100. She will bring a good vibe to her shift. Also read that Ed Lover will be on air. Not sure if his style is relevant any longer in New York. Both by the way will do zero to WBLS' ratings. The Block is just not community enough.
 
TheBigA said:
My point is the 94.7 signal is sufficient in Nassau-Suffolk to be detected by PPM.
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PPM does not require a minimum signal level; the PPM code is pure audio embedded in the regular program content. If a station is being listened to at sufficient level to be heard, the meter will detect the embedded audio frequency code.
 
MarkW said:
I was referring specifically to 94.7's signal issues earlier; there are indeed options that can be explored to hopefully lessen those issues. Maxxcasting technology should definitely be considered.
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That system is not yet approved and must be considered experimental. There does not seem to be a groundswell of interest in implementing the system as it requires multiple transmitter sites which involve rent and maintenance costs.
 
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If you ever travel on the NJ Turnpike near the Meadowlands, you'll see a bunch of radio towers. But the land is swampy (great for AM, but not much height for FM).
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It's fortunate for most NYC AM's that their towers are in that Meadowlands swamp. It's one of the few places left where the land is still pretty worthless to developers. Much of it is also protected as wildlife wetlands.

I was amused to hear one of the NYC AM's (WLIB maybe?) considered moving their towers to Edgewater, NJ at one time in history so they could put a stronger signal into Harlem. I can assure you the station would no longer exist had they done that. That former industrial town is now home to multi-million dollar luxury condos and retail, part of New Jersey's so-called "Gold Coast" because the properties there are so valuable now.
 
I thought they would have put Ed lover on in morning drive it would have been interesting to see how he would have done against Steve Harvey on WBLS and Ebro on hot 97
 
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TheBigA said:
Height is the issue with NJ. Most of the AMs broadcast from NJ towers. If you ever travel on the NJ Turnpike near the Meadowlands, you'll see a bunch of radio towers. But the land is swampy (great for AM, but not much height for FM). Which is why top of the ESB is better. The ESB is more than twice as high as the current tower for The Block. You have to go too far west to find a mountain high enough. BTW the CP for the new tower is slightly lower than the current tower in West Orange.



WNSH did better there than the local WJVC in the country format. So there is some reach in that area, But the best way to know is buy the book and see where the actual PPMs are that detect The Block. We really can't see that kind of information in the 12+ free ratings.
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WJVC doesn't reach western Suffolk or Eastern Nassau and WJVC doesn't subscribe so you must have insider info. Always wondered how it does. 94.7s signal would also travel further west if WLIX didn't tear it up around Brentwood
 
Jeffrey said:
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WJVC doesn't reach western Suffolk or Eastern Nassau and WJVC doesn't subscribe so you must have insider info. Always wondered how it does. 94.7s signal would also travel further west if WLIX didn't tear it up around Brentwood
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They transmit from Manorville so where i live (Massapequa Park) you cannot get it until you drive into Suffolk (draw a line from Bay Shore and North).
 
weilr668 said:
I just read that Shelly Wade will be on air on The Block. I always enjoyed listening to her in midday's on Z100. She will bring a good vibe to her shift. Also read that Ed Lover will be on air. Not sure if his style is relevant any longer in New York. Both by the way will do zero to WBLS' ratings. The Block is just not community enough.
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BOOM! Totally called Shelley Wade. Genius move - she played these songs as currents. Look at blind squirrel Audacy finding a nut.
 
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