The KROQ schedule per their website lists Kevan Kenney until 10 p.m. followed by the morning show at six. Are they running jockless for eight hours? Last time I checked, Kenney was on until midnight and then one of the NYC jocks did a syndicated overnight show. Is this no longer happening?
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IHR isn't Audacy. Entercom changed it's name to Audacy.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
At first I thought you were comparing the change of Clear Channel to iHeart to that of Entercom to Audacy and was thinking that the several posts correcting you had misinterpreted your post ...
But then ...
So I'm guessing you had a brain freeze there and am presenting you with a coupon for a free Slurpee at 7-Eleven.
And all the more interesting because the parent company made porcelain and stoneware... not at all related to radio.
Sort of like Plough in the 50's and 60's. St. Joseph's, Maybelline, Coppertone and stations like WJJD, Chicago, WCAO , Baltimore, WMPS, Memphis, and WPLO, Atlanta, WCOP, Boston.
That's why I always laugh when people talk about companies like iHeart and Audacy as "big corporate radio," when they pale in the size of heritage radio owners such as General Tire, Nationwide Insurance, and General Electric.
Or the Mormon Church (which is not called that any more...)
Or the local monopolies that big newspapers had with a daily, radio and then TV. Cox, the Tribune and many others.
Well I think there is a significant difference between a major or large corporation such as the ones cited having a toe in broadcasting, and today's broadcast conglomerates who broadcast IS the primary business, with perhaps a toe in other unrelated, or loosely related industry.
But the main difference is that radio only companies today can own hundreds of stations. Back in the days of the mentioned companies the limit was 7/7/7.
Correct, which serves to reinforce my point
The way big companies got around ownership limits back then was either owning radio networks or syndication companies. That way they could get their spots cleared on stations they didn't in fact own. Had the 1996 TCA not allowed companies to own more stations, we would have instead seen more companies in the network & syndication business.
Two parts here -
1. In the 7/7/7 era there were MANY large corporations with radio holdings and how many networks? Maybe a half dozen? So yes, some companies were involved in that, certainly not on a large scale.
2. There is simply no way to know if there would be more networks today had TCA of 1996 not passed. Pure speculation/conjecture.
The big MSOs were either involved in networks or TV (or both). Bonneville owned radio stations and did format syndication. What started to happen in the 70s was the larger radio-only MSOs appointed group PDs in order to better merchandise their reach, So a company like Sonderling or Metromedia might not own a network, but they could sell their major market reach, rather than strictly selling local markets. That was when radio as a local sales tool started to change.
The breakdown of the 7/7/7 model was caused, in my opinion, by Docket 80-90 in 1983, when the FCC started adding more stations to markets, driving down market share. That was what caused a number of heritage radio owners to sell their stations in the late 80s & early 90s. Concern over who would then own radio stations led to the FCC loosening ownership rules several times during that time, before ultimately changing the rules entirely in 1996. But anyone who was working for one of the bigger companies in the early 90s could see that changes in technology were going to make national syndication easier and cheaper.
Thanks for the correction
But Bonneville did, essentially, one format: Beautiful Music. They did not run it as a network, and did not do sales representation for the subscribers.
Even back in the Storz and McLendon era of the 50's and 60's, the group owners had national PDs or the equivalent.
In 1970 when I managed one of the Mooney stations... a group in just 4 markets at the time... Joe Sullivan was National PD, and when Joe left we got Scott Shannon. Of course, they both left my market alone.
But Docket 80-90 did not have major impact until the end of that decade. 80-90 was the product of the Bonita Springs case where a Class A tried to become a Class C, provoking counter filings. They FCC decided that "major applications" could not open a filing window and that expanded to allowing other major moves like creeping into bigger markets and an amendment of the table of allocations.
The biggest impact was in 1989-1990 when all that came to fruition.
The main reason certain owners were selling was the inability to own more stations. 7/7 was just too small for a company to even have a radio division.
In the 80's we had plenty of national syndication as satellite became viable. The thousands of stations that had used taped services like RPM, Peters, Drake-Chenault, RPM, Kala, SRP, Bonneville, Kala and others began taking programming from SMN and others. Satellite was a lot more flexible and allowed unmanned station operation with no tapes to change, so there were huge economies.
Correct...that's when the heritage radio owners started to sell out.
Correct. But in the early 90s it became apparent that radio companies could bypass the satellite and do internal syndication between the new PCs. In 1993, the engineers at CapStar came up with this technology that allowed them to do their own in-house syndication. They started to contact other area radio companies about expanding it. This happened several years before they were ultimately combined with Jacor and CC.
Correct. Bryce Segall left some time ago now.
That is when most of the new technical rules, ranging from the subsets of Class B and C FMs to changes in City of License and even changes from an A to a B or C went into effect. Docket 80-90 was not even published until 1990.
Until we had a robust Internet, satellite was the dominant system for distribution. We were still using dial-up modems well into the 90's.
Still, it was limited to large stations in profitable markets due to the connection costs which were still very expensive. Some of the larger groups found ways to employ leased lines, but we were a long way from high speed systems when even DSL was not available in most locations.
In 1993 a 200 megabyte hard drive was around $300. That meant that even digital storage was expensive when compared to playing music off CDs and commercials off carts. And the SCSI drives that we used in early Audio Vault and other digital storage systems were even more expensive per megabyte.
Adopted May 26, 1983, Released June 14, 1983. Final rule making order adopted to permit the operation of an increased number of FM broadcast stations. Docket 80-90.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
With all due respect, A, challenging David on his statement of when 80-90 was published is somewhat inconsequential when you didn't address any of his statements about computer hardware, the Net, etc.
In 1993, I had just upgraded to a 286 from my original IBM-PC. That first machine came with a 10MB (yes, MB) hard drive and the 286 had a whopping 40MB drive. It still ran DOS (in fact, I went through a 486 to a Pentium in the next few years and it was only that last machine that had Windows). The idea of a 300MB hard drive was a financial non-starter.
I was on dial-up until 1999, when as a result of taking a position at Pacific Bell (for the extra $$$) I was able to have one of the company's early DSL connections installed free of charge. That line was only finally removed from service last July. But even with DSL the idea of trying to use the Internet for real-time programming seemed impossible.
Yes, technology has made considerable leaps forward in the intervening two decades, but to make the kind of statements you originally did and then ignore the rebuttal is in my view rather disingenuous.
I didn't rebut it because I don't disagree with it. I didn't mean to say that the internet replaced the satellite in 1993. I know that didn't happen. Internet distribution of longform programming is a more recent thing. But the invention of voicetracking (as we know it now), no matter how crude, began in 1993 at Capstar in San Antonio. The goal was to do internally what companies were doing over the satellite. It took a while for that to become commonplace. But it began in 1993.
I also know that stations were pre-taping their airshifts going back to Bing Crosby in the 30s. But the technology that came about in 1993 was easier and more adaptable than what had existed before. It changed a lot, and as stations became aware of it, they realized how useful it was in terms of programming.
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