Last night was Dodgers vs. Angels, so we had the Angels broadcast on 830, but the game was also on both 570 AND 710 (and I eventually settled on 93.1 HD-3 for some sports talk). If I'm not mistaken, 570 is the Dodgers home station- so what was the broadcast on 710? An ESPN national broadcast? An Angels feed for broader coverage? I meant to check before I fell asleep last night but dozed off.
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Dodgers Baseball on 570 & 710?
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I love how ESPN programming is on 3 signals now (710, 1110, and 830). While CBS Sports radio can’t get one station in L.A.
It's a bummer to see 1090 adding in more and more ESPN programming as well. I preferred them carrying more from SportsGrid as it was at least an alternative the three other ESPN outlets (and they're the only other sports talk outlet I believe I can receive from west LA). Perhaps if CBS/Entercom held on to an AM property CBS SR might have full clearance, but you can't blame them too much for cashing out 💸💸💸.
I wish 980 The Beast was still a thing
710 was the original Angel's Flagship for decades. KLAA 830, the Angel's owned station in Orange County has significant nighttime reception issues in the northern part of the Angel's market area (the SFV and beyond) including selective fading distortion and some co-channel interference. Presumably this is one reason why many games are still simulcast on 710. 710's current xmitter is in the SFV, but that is going to change when they begin di-plexing off of 1110's facility in the San Gabriel Valley. 710's new night pattern will put essentially no signal in the SFV and beyond at night.
Is there an answer as to what Good Karma plans to do with two AM stations?
Does anybody remember 1540 the Ticket?
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
IIRC, they are not buying both KSPN and KRDC. The latter is remaining under Disney ownership and 1110 is only simulcasting 710 to keep it on the air now that Radio Disney is kaput.
As an outsider looking in from the East Coast, what is KLAA's overall standing in the market?
From a programing standpoint they don't offer much outside of the games. One local program during the week, the usual plethora of brokered shows on weekends, and all other holes filled by ESPN Radio.
Add in those aforementioned signal deficiencies and it doesn't appear that the station is a huge money maker for Arte Moreno and the Angels. Not that he cares much about that I would assume, as he is a very wealthy person. Like John Catsimatidis here in NYC with WABC, I'm sure radio is nothing but a plaything for Mr. Moreno (and thank goodness Arte isn't on the air like Catsimatidis is).
From a programing standpoint they don't offer much outside of the games. One local program during the week, the usual plethora of brokered shows on weekends, and all other holes filled by ESPN Radio.
Add in those aforementioned signal deficiencies and it doesn't appear that the station is a huge money maker for Arte Moreno and the Angels. Not that he cares much about that I would assume, as he is a very wealthy person. Like John Catsimatidis here in NYC with WABC, I'm sure radio is nothing but a plaything for Mr. Moreno (and thank goodness Arte isn't on the air like Catsimatidis is).
I've never understood the business case for Moreno owning KLAA. I am sure the station runs at ablsoute minimum cost (like mentioned, only one local show during the week) so maybe it makes money, but he is essentially paying himself for the Angel radio rights. Why go through all of the trouble of owning the station and paying yourself for the rights when the ratings for baseball on radio have to be next to nothing and you have to sell the spots and take the risks? UNLESS... I have long suspected that he knew the market for the Angels radio rights was very soft when he bought the team and he then bought the station just to make sure the Angels were on the radio at all.
It was trendy at the time Moreno bought the Angels.
The Cardinals and Twins did similar experiments buying radio stations. Possibly other teams too. The Cardinals and Twins have since ended those experiments.
When they first launched they had a really good all local line up on 830
I think they did too...at one time KLAA's morning guy (whose name at the moment escapes me) used to simulcast parts of his show on KTLA 5's morning show... it was quite entertaining.
I think one thing that affected the 830 station was the elimination of the separate OC Arbitron book. As KSRT, the station dates back to before 1990 in fact. And like 1190 and 1480, those stations depended on the "separate market" concept for the county.
As stations changed owners, with many becoming Spanish language, religious or Asian language operations, there was no need for the break-out book.
Even with its 50 kw, 830 does not have a competitive signal north of the 10 Freeway and at night it is even less competitive. And much of the LA County area it covers is highly ethnic, and not likely to listen to the programming currently on the station.
Several technical experts I know believe that the signal is not "like a real 50 kw" station because the transmitter site is at the other side of fault lines, using a belief that radio conductivity over faults is poor. Little research has been done in this area, but the concept is interesting; the belief is that a fault is, in essence, a dielectric.
As stations changed owners, with many becoming Spanish language, religious or Asian language operations, there was no need for the break-out book.
Even with its 50 kw, 830 does not have a competitive signal north of the 10 Freeway and at night it is even less competitive. And much of the LA County area it covers is highly ethnic, and not likely to listen to the programming currently on the station.
Several technical experts I know believe that the signal is not "like a real 50 kw" station because the transmitter site is at the other side of fault lines, using a belief that radio conductivity over faults is poor. Little research has been done in this area, but the concept is interesting; the belief is that a fault is, in essence, a dielectric.
It's interesting how Los Angeles is the second largest U.S. market and maybe first in terms of ad dollars, at least according to some surveys I've seen. But when the federal government was handing out good AM frequencies, LA was not the metropolis it is today. All it got was a I-A, KFI 640, and a I-B, KNX 1070. (Technically, Los Angeles is so far from Moncton, New Brunswick, that KNX and CBA are/were both 50,000 watts non-directional. That gives KNX a signal that's similar to KFI.)
Meanwhile New York and Chicago hit the jackpot for high-powered AM stations. NYC got three I-A's (660, 770, 880) and three I-B's (710, 1130 and 1560). Chicago got four I-As (670, 720, 780 and 890) and a I-B (1000)
Meanwhile New York and Chicago hit the jackpot for high-powered AM stations. NYC got three I-A's (660, 770, 880) and three I-B's (710, 1130 and 1560). Chicago got four I-As (670, 720, 780 and 890) and a I-B (1000)
That's fascinating, I haven't yet heard of that.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
Based on what physics I know (got an A in that subject in high school, and likely would have pursued it as a career if I wasn't already in radio by then), that makes sense to me because air is a dialectic and faults essentially add pockets of air into the earth along their lines, making them in effect huge capacitors.
I just looked it up and the dielectric strength of air is approximately 3 kV/mm. That's the same as putting the equivalent of a 4700pF capacitor every millimeter along a fault line. That's one hell of a signal disruptor, all right.
Does using a station's app count in the PPM world?
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
From the Arbitron publication "A Guide To Understanding and Using PPM Data":
Station
The introduction of digital technology and Internet
has broadened the definition of a radio station.
In the PPM ratings service, station refers to FCC-
licensed AM and FM radio broadcasts in analog
and digital formats, Internet streams of a licensed
radio station, and HD Radio ® primary or multicast
broadcasts. It could also refer potentially to satellite
radio broadcasts should the broadcasts be encoded.
I take that to mean that an Internet stream, encoded by the station with its identifier, would register on the PPM if accessed via the station app.
But Arbitron does not specifically track app usage in general.
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