KMOZART

[TomásEstefan]

It depends on how much it matters. As I said, they had previously used KLAA. So it's important to someone.

Especially if the station owners' Alma Mater is Berkeley

 

[SarahB98]

Sarah, I'm sorry---you lost me there. What does Disney being greedy for 1110 AM (I assume you mean in holding out for a higher sale price) have to do with Saul putting oldies back on 1260?

I’m referencing to KRLA 1110 AM in Los Angeles despite a K-surf having currently exist on 630 AM in Monterey bay

 

[davideduardo]

It should be noted that somewhere between one half and two thirds of the fans at Dodger games appear to be Hispanic.

But they are later generation, not the larger portion of the LA market that is first generation Hispanic.

Dodgers games on Spanish language radio for more than a decade have gotten 0.0 share.

 

[michael hagerty]

Especially if the station owners' Alma Mater is Berkeley

Is it?

 

[michael hagerty]

I’m referencing to KRLA 1110 AM in Los Angeles despite a K-surf having currently exist on 630 AM in Monterey bay

I had understood that Saul donated 630 AM in Monterey to a non-profit a couple of years ago.

Either way, what does that have to do with the old KRLA ( its current calls are KRDC—-the KRLA calls have been on 870 AM for the past 21 years) at 1110 in L.A.?

 

[CTListener]

But they are later generation, not the larger portion of the LA market that is first generation Hispanic.

Dodgers games on Spanish language radio for more than a decade have gotten 0.0 share.

Do Yankees or Mets games do better in New York, where there are greater percentage of Dominicans, or Marlins games in Miami, where there are more Dominicans and Cubans? You've mentioned many times the Mexican drift away from baseball. Is the same thing happening among Dominicans and Cubans, or is the pathetic state of futbol in those countries an indication that beisbol is still numero uno? And does baseball continue strong beyond the first generation once they're here in the US?

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Visalia and Fresno kind of straddle the line between Northern and Southern California. I could see teams from either region having affiliates there. Vegas doesn't surprise me since Angelenos kind of regard it (and Palm Springs) as virtual suburbs.

Stanford is a major California university with a big-time football program. It doesn't have an L.A. affiliate. Nor do the 49ers, the Giants (though they have TWO Hawaii affiliates) or the Golden State Warriors (though they have one in Hawaii and one in San Diego).

That makes Cal the only Bay Area sports team airing in L.A. And ZERO L.A. teams have Bay Area affiliates, CT, so is it really surprising that I'm surprised?

Most major leagues have home-market rights that prohibit other teams from airing their games in the home-team's market(s) - and most teams have both primary and secondary markets. Therefore the Dodgers cannot air games in SF and the Giants cannot air games in LA. Golden State airing games in SD is a bit surprising, as most LA teams that do not have competition in SD consider SD to be a "secondary market".

A good example of this is the story I mentioned a few weeks ago about Gene Autry going to the MLB winter meetings to get baseball rights for KMPC when they lost the Dodgers. He was not seeking to air another team's games as that would have been against the rules, he was seeking a type of league-wide package that would not focus on any one team.

 

[davideduardo]

Do Yankees or Mets games do better in New York, where there are greater percentage of Dominicans, or Marlins games in Miami, where there are more Dominicans and Cubans? You've mentioned many times the Mexican drift away from baseball.

Mexico never drifted away from Baseball. It is (and was) only played in limited areas in northern Mexico, and has never been a factor when compared with soccer.

Is the same thing happening among Dominicans and Cubans, or is the pathetic state of futbol in those countries an indication that beisbol is still numero uno? And does baseball continue strong beyond the first generation once they're here in the US?

Baseball is still strong in the Dominican Republic because many young Dominicans see the sport as a ticket out of poverty. In Puerto Rico it is much less important than it once was, because basketball has become the #2 sport there (after "politics" which is laughingly called by everyone there the "national sport").

For some reason, soccer never became a factor in the Greater Antilles. And baseball is just too slow for most of Latin America to really like. Yet, oddly, baseball had a strong period in Venezuela and it is the favorite sport in Nicaragua, too.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

That was better than the 0.1 he's getting now.

Very true. And, for a 0.4 station, it had (don't laugh) a bit of a buzz. Of course it was with 50+ year olds arguing about what oldies should or should not be on the station, but they had to be listening to make the arguments, and that is much better than NOBODY listening to your station, putting aside the costs of out-of-market streaming. I have no idea how much those costs are, but I gotta believe having the 0.4 with the costs beats a 0.1 without them.

I suppose he could geo-fence the stream, but that is the ultimate in not cool and goes against everything for which the internet was intended.

 

[CTListener]

Mexico never drifted away from Baseball. It is (and was) only played in limited areas in northern Mexico, and has never been a factor when compared with soccer.

Baseball is still strong in the Dominican Republic because many young Dominicans see the sport as a ticket out of poverty. In Puerto Rico it is much less important than it once was, because basketball has become the #2 sport there (after "politics" which is laughingly called by everyone there the "national sport").

For some reason, soccer never became a factor in the Greater Antilles. And baseball is just too slow for most of Latin America to really like. Yet, oddly, baseball had a strong period in Venezuela and it is the favorite sport in Nicaragua, too.

I remember watching Nicaraguan baseball on YouTube during the first month or so of the COVID pandemic. It was literally the only baseball league in the Western Hemisphere that tried to ignore the pandemic and continue playing its schedule, and with no restrictions on attendance. The stands were packed most nights, but after a coach died of the disease, even that league had to shut down.

 

[sdwulfdawg]

At one point, XSURF 540 Tijuana was airing Levine's XBACH under those call letters.

 

[Loverofradio]

Cal-Berkeley is a major California university with a big-time football program. I'm not sure why you remain so puzzled that its games air in Los Angeles.

what’s your definition of “big time”? I used to be a Learfield rep. In my market we paid a station to air our games. I can imagine Cal is paying 1260 is a little change to carry? And, I can’t imagine it being a huge amount. But, I could be wrong. There’s absolutely zero value, zero, again zero value for Cal to air on 1260 for anyone other that the owner of the station is bored and wanted to hear what it would sound like. i would be surprised if theyre even selling spots. But, it’s highly unlikely nowadays business owners or alumni groups would pony up money to hear Cal on L.A. radio.

edit: i think there must have been an overflow issue with 710 on a particular night and they had to shift espn radio coverage of a game to 1260. I’ve heard it done several times when there’s conflicts on 570 or 710. But i don’t know the logistics behind that. Does anyone else know?

 

[mofocat]

Yikes! How old is that UCLA radio network info? They refer to KLAC as being owned by Clear Channel 😲

And, KSLK 96.1, Visalia has been dark for 15 years! lol

 

[SarahB98]

What if WMOZART existed to replace WRKO back in 1981?????

 

[TomásEstefan]

But they are later generation, not the larger portion of the LA market that is first generation Hispanic.

Dodgers games on Spanish language radio for more than a decade have gotten 0.0 share.

I'm sure your right...the majority of the fans that go to the games when listening to the radio no doubt listened to Vin Scully rather than Jaime Jarrin.

 

[TomásEstefan]

Is it?

I believe that UC Berkeley is one of the schools attended by Mr. Levine.

 

[TomásEstefan]

My classical listening has been limited over the years, but I will say that CapRadio classical here in Sacramento goes way beyond the “announcer” type. Mike Nelson, Jennifer Reason and Victor Forman exhibit more personality than I hear on most commercial pop music stations.

Something I forgot to mention a few posts back when we were discussing Classical format announcer/personalities: many years ago one afternoon I was driving home and literally almost drove off the Ventura Fwy when KUSC's Rich Caparella said "Stay with us because coming up next we have a new recording of Mozart's Eine Kleine Nacht Musik...and if you listen very carefully at the end you'll here "Paul is dead!"

 

[b-turner]

I suppose he could geo-fence the stream, but that is the ultimate in not cool and goes against everything for which the internet was intended.

Sound Exchange destroyed that. When you stream you pay a certain rate per song per listener. A popular radio station might be able to monetize it's audience at about 10% of what Sound Exchange charges you. Then you still pay ASCAP, BMI and the rest like you do in over the air radio. And you pay for the bandwidth for every listener. And you pay for the website and updating it. So, some listener in Idaho is not going to buy that lunch special at that San Antonio restaurant, so why pay for them listening?

 

[sdwulfdawg]

Sound Exchange destroyed that. When you stream you pay a certain rate per song per listener. A popular radio station might be able to monetize it's audience at about 10% of what Sound Exchange charges you. Then you still pay ASCAP, BMI and the rest like you do in over the air radio. And you pay for the bandwidth for every listener. And you pay for the website and updating it. So, some listener in Idaho is not going to buy that lunch special at that San Antonio restaurant, so why pay for them listening?

Even with classical music?

 

[b-turner]

I would think so. The music might be beyond copyright but the musicians aren't. I would like to know for sure myself.