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KFI MEGA OOPS.....Undumped F-bombs....

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ercjncpr said:
So it’s just easier to take the F bomb live, I guess
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A station has a choice of appearing to be censuring the playback of the recording or playing the occasion live for accuracy. That is a hard decision, since any editing brings up the issue of "what else did they edit?"

This is a case of weighing potential FCC action against being perceived as censuring or editing news events.
 
DavidEduardo said:
A station has a choice of appearing to be censuring the playback of the recording or playing the occasion live for accuracy. That is a hard decision, since any editing brings up the issue of "what else did they edit?"

This is a case of weighing potential FCC action against being perceived as censuring or editing news events.
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And given the tensions in the community over this, risking the FCC fine might be the smart move.
 
michael hagerty said:
...but if there's a perception that Hispanics in power regard and talk about citizens of other ethnicities this way, it'll be way worse.
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Agreed. This does nothing to improve things for Hispanics.

When I was programming KTNQ, the only times we got deep into politics involved critiquing several council members who we believed were promoting themselves more than helping the Hispanic community. We even got into a major battle with one council person, Gloria Molina, who was the subject of a series of humorous parodies our afternoon show did and which constantly got empty threats of lawsuits.

The LA City Council has, for decades, been worthy of criticism.
 
michael hagerty said:
Sure there is. TV stations run on delay, too. The trouble is, as I mentioned in a comment above, the “dump” button brings you back to real time. It then lengthens silences in speech so that in a minute or so, you’re back to a seven-second delay (longer delays take more time).

So you can avoid airing the first one. But you’re risking another if you continue the live broadcast before you’ve rebuilt your delay.
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Actually that is not the case. Current delay systems can be set with multiple increments, say 4 seconds which would give you and opportunity to bleep a couple of f-bombs. I think the delay buffer is adjustable as well, it doesn't have to be 7 or 8 seconds. With short increments, the delay can build back up quickly between incidents. Also, proper procedure should be to pot down on the source once you hit the dump button and not rejoin until you determine it was safe to come back. Of course, easier said than done some times.
 
There shouldn't be any problem with using f-bombs. Occasionally. As an emphasis of point. For example on talk radio; "What the f--k is Nury Martinez's trip? I mean, why is she still allowed to be city council president?..."

Because that's how average people in 2022 use f-bombs.

A constant string of them? Yeah, that's annoying. Even if perfectly understood why, as in Bonin's righteous, albeit unprofessional response to what she said about his son....
 
michael hagerty said:
Nine words: None of them are on the ballot this year.
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Not relevant. Somebody(ies) knew of and had this information for a long time. It was released in a time and manner that they felt would advance their political (and possibly personal) fortunes.

The fact that the individuals caught on tape making the remarks are not up for election only emphasizes the fact that there are probably multiple layers of nuance and political objectives at work here, probably involving multiple individuals and organizations. A political hit like this requires a high level of coordination and direction.

It requires a deeper level of thinking to untangle the issues and identify the various operatives and motives. Most likely, this will not take place nor be reported to the public, even in due course.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
Not relevant. Somebody(ies) knew of and had this information for a long time. It was released in a time and manner that they felt would advance their political (and possibly personal) fortunes.

The fact that the individuals caught on tape making the remarks are not up for election only emphasizes the fact that there are probably multiple layers of nuance and political objectives at work here. It requires a deeper level of thinking to untangle the issues and identify the various operatives and motives. Most likely, this will not take place nor be reported to the public, even in due course.
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And my answer to that is who cares? Whether this got posted to Reddit five minutes after it happened or a year later, these elected officials said what they said and no one is disputing that. This isn’t someone mooned the camera in their college yearbook 30 years ago. This is elected officials who need to be held accountable.

And as I said earlier today, until we know who leaked it, we won't know why.
 
michael hagerty said:
And my answer to that is who cares?
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Because timing is everything. The tape was released when it was felt it would do the most damage to its target(s). Keep in mind the actual "real" targets may not be limited to the speakers themselves; they could just be collateral damage in an ongoing battle.

If anybody were to untangle this story, the first questions have to be: Who benefits from this, who is hurt (beyond just the obvious speakers) , and what goal(s) are achieved by the delayed release? If you don't consider the effects of the delayed release, you will never get to the real story. As of right now, it is the biggest clue.

Again, the interests involved here are most likely very powerful, "ends justify the means"-type people. Any enterprising reporter who takes this case on is going to be in extreme danger for sure. That is why it most likely will not happen - along with fact that we really don't have any "enterprising reporters" any more.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
Because timing is everything. The tape was released when it was felt it would do the most damage to its target(s). Keep in mind the actual "real" targets may not be limited to the speakers themselves, they could just be collateral damage in an ongoing battle.

If anybody were to untangle this story, the first questions have to be: Who benefits from this, who is hurt (beyond just the obvious speakers) , and what goal(s) are achieved by the delayed release? If you don't consider the effects of the delayed release, you will never get to the real story. As of right now, it is the biggest clue.

Again, the interests involved here are most likely very powerful, "ends justify the means"-type people. Any enterprising reporter who takes this case on is going to be in extreme danger for sure. That is why it most likely will not happen.
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Flip, there is NO time this audio would not have been a career-ender for those people. Hispanic politicians making racist remarks about Blacks and Asian-Americans in LOS ANGELES? C'mon.

Secondly, this isn't something that is nobody's business but will create a juicy scandal. The public has a right to know. I absolutely agree this should have been released immediately, but we won't know why that didn't happen until we learn who did it.

And while this could have been coordinated by very powerful people, the fact that it was just uploaded on Reddit instead of given to Politico, the L.A. Times, KNX, KFI and all the TV stations simultaneously tells me this is probably less coordinated than you think. This was a stick of dynamite that just needed one person and a match.
 
I don't think I've ever agreed with ChannelFlipper before, but I find his argument more convincing. Springing surprises that could dent a party's reputation just before any election is a tactic both sides have used.
 
CTListener said:
I don't think I've ever agreed with ChannelFlipper before, but I find his argument more convincing. Springing surprises that could dent a party's reputation just before any election is a tactic both sides have used.
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The issue is that LA (city of) is about 80% Democrat and the three Hispanics most closely involved are all career Democrats. This is not a party issue, it is an ethnic / racial issue if there is any hidden intent.

To me, it looks like someone is sick of LA personal interest politics and wants to upset the system. But with such a huge Democrat majority, this is just going to change a few people, not a party and not a platform.
 
CTListener said:
I don't think I've ever agreed with ChannelFlipper before, but I find his argument more convincing. Springing surprises that could dent a party's reputation just before any election is a tactic both sides have used.
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Except---Los Angeles City Council races are nonpartisan. And if you go back to the voter registrations of the councilmembers prior to running, 14 of the 15 are Democrats. John Lee in District 12 is an independent. The GOP has nothing to gain here.
 
michael hagerty said:
Except---Los Angeles City Council races are nonpartisan. And if you go back to the voter registrations of the councilmembers prior to running, 14 of the 15 are Democrats. John Lee in District 12 is an independent. The GOP has nothing to gain here.
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Think big picture. The visuals of Democrats using racial/ethnic slurs are not good. Republicans will cackle over the perceived hypocrisy of the oh-so-woke Democratic Party, inserting the LA councilors into the broader political/cultural war. In the continuing effort to ridicule and discredit the opposition party, the facts you've stated about the LA City Council are irrelevant. It's Democrats, and Hispanic Democrats at that, so quick to jump on non-Hispanic white Republicans over racist language, using that language among themselves. This is a weapon -- maybe not a devastating one, but one that has a place in the overall GOP effort.
 
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