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Blackouts & Radio

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The public would be advised to use car radios or battery-powered receivers to listen to emergency broadcasts on FM and long-wave frequencies...


Maybe the USA Gov needs to make some public service ads reminding people of the value of using battery powered radios during emergencies.


Kirk Bayne
 
Maybe the USA Gov needs to make some public service ads reminding people of the value of using battery powered radios during emergencies.
I agree!

Gen Z may have abandoned it, but radio is still there, and when there's a natural disaster (such as, for example, a massive wildland fire (such as the Camp fire that burned down the town of Paradise, CA on the morning of November 8, 2018) that severely damages or destroys most wireline infrastructure, including power, phone, and cable lines, cell towers, fiber optic lines, and so on), radio is pretty much the only thing left standing (on the bright side, if the power grid is down because of damage, the MW noise floor is lower, so weaker stations otherwise too noisy to receive can come in more clearly), and provided people still have access to a radio (not a given, because some may have to abandon everything – including their car and any handheld radio they may have – and run for their lives on foot), they can tune in for information regarding the situation.

With that in mind, maybe I should invest in a shortwave radio and get a license to transmit in case of emergencies...

c
 
I agree!

Gen Z may have abandoned it, but radio is still there, and when there's a natural disaster (such as, for example, a massive wildland fire (such as the Camp fire that burned down the town of Paradise, CA on the morning of November 8, 2018) that severely damages or destroys most wireline infrastructure, including power, phone, and cable lines, cell towers, fiber optic lines, and so on), radio is pretty much the only thing left standing (on the bright side, if the power grid is down because of damage, the MW noise floor is lower, so weaker stations otherwise too noisy to receive can come in more clearly), and provided people still have access to a radio (not a given, because some may have to abandon everything – including their car and any handheld radio they may have – and run for their lives on foot), they can tune in for information regarding the situation.

With that in mind, maybe I should invest in a shortwave radio and get a license to transmit in case of emergencies...

c
Transmit what, and to whom? What kind of license?
 
The public would be advised to use car radios or battery-powered receivers to listen to emergency broadcasts on FM and long-wave frequencies...
There are no Long Wave stations in North America.
Maybe the USA Gov needs to make some public service ads reminding people of the value of using battery powered radios during emergencies.
They would also need to give people a way of acquiring suitable radios.
 
Transmit what, and to whom? What kind of license?
Requesting or relaying emergency information and requesting assistance from other radio operators or first responders if needed, and probably with an amateur radio license of some sort.

There are no Long Wave stations in North America
Right. But we do have Medium Wave and Short Wave.

They would also need to give people a way of acquiring suitable radios.
It probably wouldn't be too costly or difficult to subsidize cheap but adequate windup AM/FM radios at a minimum. I think some municipal governments already do something like that in the form of emergency preparedness kits, but I haven't checked, so not sure.

SW would be trickier because it's less well known among the general public, but there are some relatively inexpensive AM/FM/SW radios available if one knows where to look, so maybe?

c
 
SW would be trickier because it's less well known among the general public, but there are some relatively inexpensive AM/FM/SW radios available if one knows where to look, so maybe?
The challenge of getting that third of the population that now has no radio at all to get one and keep it with batteries and available is huge. Many do not know what AM is, and nearly all have no idea what short wave is at all.

Just teaching a person who has never had a radio how to use one is a lot more complicated than you think. I knew some missionaries in the Ecuadorian Orient who gave indigenous peoples their first radios long ago. They said that it was a challenge to train them to use them. Those were not stupid people... just people who had never had a radio before.
 
Gen Z may have abandoned it, but radio is still there, and when there's a natural disaster (such as, for example, a massive wildland fire (such as the Camp fire that burned down the town of Paradise, CA on the morning of November 8, 2018) that severely damages or destroys most wireline infrastructure, including power, phone, and cable lines, cell towers, fiber optic lines, and so on), radio is pretty much the only thing left standing
If you're relying on radio broadcasters for emergency information, you're likely going to be disappointed. If all the utilities you list are down, there's no way for the broadcaster to retrieve up-to-date information to share on the air.

With that in mind, maybe I should invest in a shortwave radio and get a license to transmit in case of emergencies...
Shortwave licensees are prohibited by law from targeting an audience in the United States.
 
Shortwave licensees are prohibited by law from targeting an audience in the United States.
I'm guessing that cc333 would be thinking that this would be authorized and established purely for emergency purposes and administered by government entities.
 
If you're relying on radio broadcasters for emergency information, you're likely going to be disappointed. If all the utilities you list are down, there's no way for the broadcaster to retrieve up-to-date information to share on the air.


Shortwave licensees are prohibited by law from targeting an audience in the United States.
The poster wrote "probably with an amateur radio license of some sort." Hams can communicate with any other licensee, anywhere. But what they cannot do legally is broadcast.
 
Maybe the USA Gov needs to make some public service ads reminding people of the value of using battery powered radios during emergencies.

That sounds like EAS, which the government has never activated in an emergency.

It probably wouldn't be too costly or difficult to subsidize cheap but adequate windup AM/FM radios at a minimum.

It would require an act of congress to appropriate the money.
 
Transmit what, and to whom? What kind of license?
Here in AZ amateur radio ('hams') do it every fire season. Road closures, escape routes, fire progress, evacuation orders etc.

Radio telephone and yes, even Morse Code (which I can still read).
 
That sounds like EAS, which the government has never activated in an emergency.
Not on a national level, anyway. There was talk of activating it on 9/11, but ultimately they decided not to since there was wall-to-wall coverage on virtually every radio and TV network, and they felt that as a result any EAS alerts would've been redundant.

It would require an act of congress to appropriate the money.
Yeah, that'll never happen....

Here in AZ amateur radio ('hams') do it every fire season. Road closures, escape routes, fire progress, evacuation orders etc.
That's useful! I'm sure they do something similar here in CA, but I've never listened in to find out (I'd been too busy evacuating to bother for the most part, though I wish I had thought of it earlier, as it would've been much more useful than the lousy excuse of an emergency information source Facebook is).

Radio telephone and yes, even Morse Code (which I can still read).
I need to learn some Morse Code. It's not hard I'm sure, I just have to take the time to do it.

Plus, I think it's a requirement for obtaining an amateur radio license, yes?

c
 
One other thing to say on this subject: The way the power grid is done in this country, a nationwide blackout is almost impossible. We don't have a national power grid. Everything is decentralized and run by local power companies. I don't know about the UK. Certainly, the regions that those companies are huge, and we recently saw a winter blackout that covered the state of Texas. But I can't see how such a thing could cover the entire country the way the grid is set up.
 
One other thing to say on this subject: The way the power grid is done in this country, a nationwide blackout is almost impossible. We don't have a national power grid. Everything is decentralized and run by local power companies. I don't know about the UK. Certainly, the regions that those companies are huge, and we recently saw a winter blackout that covered the state of Texas. But I can't see how such a thing could cover the entire country the way the grid is set up.
Yeah, but saying that, wasn't there an issue a few years ago where the nationwide power grid which is networked to a certain extent and is supposed to "self-heal" get a spike or overvoltage somewhere and it caused a domino effect that caused real headaches with the power systems in several states?
 
Yeah, but saying that, wasn't there an issue a few years ago where the nationwide power grid which is networked to a certain extent and is supposed to "self-heal" get a spike or overvoltage somewhere and it caused a domino effect that caused real headaches with the power systems in several states?

Depends on the states. But not the entire country.
 
Depends on the states. But not the entire country.
I believe this is the blackout I was thinking of - it occurred in 2003 and for those who find the article below (or others like it) to be tl;dr, there was a software glitch that occurred after high-voltage power lines came into contact with some trees. Rather than a localized power outage, it spread to kill power to up to 55 million (depending on the source quoted, the article below says 50) in parts of 8 states and sections of Ontario, Canada. Though most had power restored within hours, some were affected for up to 4 days and it's blamed for as many as 100 deaths (the article below says only 11) and billions of $$ in damages. From everything I've quickly read, they obviously did several studies and implimented several "lessons learned" which were then shared with other power utilities.

 
Not on a national level, anyway. There was talk of activating it on 9/11, but ultimately they decided not to since there was wall-to-wall coverage on virtually every radio and TV network, and they felt that as a result any EAS alerts would've been redundant.


Yeah, that'll never happen....


That's useful! I'm sure they do something similar here in CA, but I've never listened in to find out (I'd been too busy evacuating to bother for the most part, though I wish I had thought of it earlier, as it would've been much more useful than the lousy excuse of an emergency information source Facebook is).


I need to learn some Morse Code. It's not hard I'm sure, I just have to take the time to do it.

Plus, I think it's a requirement for obtaining an amateur radio license, yes?

c
Not any more, at least entry level
 
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