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Goodbye AM & FM & HD

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...using the enhanced capacity for delivering data that’s part of the ATSC 3.0 standard for delivery of perhaps 50 to 100 or more audio services, without affecting the capability for simultaneously providing very high-quality television.

You can do stereo music services starting at 12 kbps.


The next question - how much audio distortion will the average listener put up with before tuning out?


Kirk Bayne
 
kfbkfb said:
The next question - how much audio distortion will the average listener put up with before tuning out?
Kirk Bayne
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This question may be a non-starter. There are already many other platforms and delivery methods where the audio quality, programming and content would be superior and appealing to many.
 
kfbkfb said:
The next question - how much audio distortion will the average listener put up with before tuning out?
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A more important question: supposing Sinclair launched this service tomorrow, how many people could receive it?

I'll speculate there are zero receivers that aren't also televisions. And the penetration of ATSC3 tuners in televisions is still very low.
 
Hello! I have an ATSC 3.0 receiver and receive a Sinclair station that "broadcasts" this audio.

The stations are broadcasting links, not audio. The links that they are broadcasting are for the internet streams. The audio is not broadcast over-the-air.

They are broadcasting an HTML page. That's it.
 
Be a long time before radio is replaced. When there's a disaster or something, a battery operated radio is the way to go since power might be out affecting TV viewing and even some cell towers.
 
For those interested in listening to music through their TV, Music Choice is already available through many cable and dish services (Comcast, Cox, Spectrum, DirecTV, etc.). Music Choice in my area offers 50 channels of everything imaginable, and nearly any format. They even have a "Sounds of the Seasons" channel that changes up their offerings depending on the upcoming holiday. For those who just want to listen to the music aside from their TV, as with many other media companies and broadcast stations - There's an app for that.
 
kfbkfb said:
^^^
...using the enhanced capacity for delivering data that’s part of the ATSC 3.0 standard for delivery of perhaps 50 to 100 or more audio services, without affecting the capability for simultaneously providing very high-quality television.

You can do stereo music services starting at 12 kbps.


The next question - how much audio distortion will the average listener put up with before tuning out?


Kirk Bayne
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I think the public has already settled this and they like streaming. I mean, why put up with somebody else's 100 selected/rented channels of whatever when you can have thousands to choose from?
 
Bongwater said:
I think the public has already settled this and they like streaming. I mean, why put up with somebody else's 100 selected/rented channels of whatever when you can have thousands to choose from?
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Because sometimes it's easier when someone else does it. That's how restaurants stay in business.

People like streaming sometimes, and they like the radio sometimes. It's not a one or the other thing.

Regarding the OP, Sinclair doesn't want to be in the audio business.
 
kfbkfb said:
The next question - how much audio distortion will the average listener put up with before tuning out?
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That depends. If you're talking about a 65+ year old white male, they're willing to put up with quite a bit of noise and distortion when listening to talk radio on AM.
 
Running out of bits to code the music results in unique distortion (my 20 year old PC has mp3 encoding software, I played with setting the audio data rate very low and got the "underwater" sound on the resulting mp3), who knows what sorts of low data rate distortion will sound OK for a little while to the casual listener, but ultimately cause them to turn off the program.


Kirk Bayne
 
Kelly A said:
That depends. If you're talking about a 65+ year old white male, they're willing to put up with quite a bit of noise and distortion when listening to talk radio on AM.
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The noise and distortion is built into talk radio itself. What does that have to do with signal quality? :ROFLMAO:

Seriously, many of us (including me) grew up with only one or two local Ancient Modulation stations, one or both being daytimers or lowering their power at night. We got used to weaker signals, or having to listen to the big-city blowtorches which faded in and out. I still can live with noisy signals, both on AM and FM, when I'm not near my HD radios.
 
Just a reminder that the ATSC 3.0 stations we're talking about are not streaming audio. They're broadcasting a text HTML page that links to the internet delivered audio streams.
 
Red Plume said:
Just a reminder that the ATSC 3.0 stations we're talking about are not streaming audio. They're broadcasting a text HTML page that links to the internet delivered audio streams.
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Which makes the title of this thread, "goodbye AM & FM & HD" even more disingenuous than it would be if we were simply talking about delivering radio via TV transmissions.
 
Miss Tuned said:
Which makes the title of this thread, "goodbye AM & FM & HD" even more disingenuous than it would be if we were simply talking about delivering radio via TV transmissions.
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But, as with any of these DAB or useless ATSC 3.0-audio discussions; nobody buys new radios anymore, so making such a change would mean whomever was programming a DAB or ATSC 3.0 stream, would be on an island broadcasting to no one for twenty years, or more.
 
Kelly A said:
That depends. If you're talking about a 65+ year old white male, they're willing to put up with quite a bit of noise and distortion when listening to talk radio on AM.
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That's not only an ageist and racist remark but also a complete generalization without basis.

Many AM stations now carry ethnic programming. Are those listeners any more or less discriminating than white males when it comes to audio quality?

The case could be made that people 65+ grew up at a time when audio quality was considered very important. My guess is that most of the complaining on these boards about audio processing, whether or not a station uses reverb, etc, is from that demo. But I have no proof.

Younger generations who have become accustomed to hearing 16kHz, 32kbps mp3 files and Zoom audio might actually be more forgiving. Yes, they buy $250 earbuds but that's no different from buying a very expensive analog wristwatch. If they believe it's better, it's better.

But again, I believe that putting up with noise and distortion is an individual thing and has little to do with age or ethnicity. The suggestion that it does has little to do with the subject of this thread.
 
wadio said:
That's not only an ageist and racist remark but also a complete generalization without basis.
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Actually, there is factual basis for the statement. According to MRI-Simmons, the audience for News Talk format is:

60% male, 86% white, and the average age is 59, with 60% of the audience at 55+ and 38% at 65+

What we see is that this audience seeks out this format even when it's on AM and there are similar stations on FM.

There is nothing racist or ageist about the truth, and the courts say that radio stations can sell formats based on audience demographics.
 
Kelly A said:
But, as with any of these DAB or useless ATSC 3.0-audio discussions ... would be on an island broadcasting to no one for twenty years, or more.
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Which is also how a company can get away with saying they're broadcasting audio streams when they are not. Very few can verify.

Not only are they gated by "ATSC 3.0", the links to the streams are difficult to find. You need to access your network-connected receiver by a browser, and go to an address like "192.168.0.147/atsc3/v151.1/" and dig around until you find the HTML page.
 
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