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🍷 🍷 Holiday toast to Frank for all his work ! Thank you ! 🙂

Y David, Ud. no es tonto. Es muy inteligente, y tiene muchos éxitos. 🙂

Feliz Navidad y Felices Fiestas a todos.🙂
 
I have a question about being terminated from a radio job. So if an air talent is called in to speak to the management, & management says that one is fired, then it works just like any other business, correct? If one is fired, then one is expected to leave right away, with very quick good-byes.

But if an air talent voluntarily resigns, then one is free to give a couple weeks' notice, then one can create a good-bye show, correct?

For example -- on the internet, there's an air check of Dr. Don Rose, a famous Philadelphia DJ, doing a good-bye show when he leaves Philadelphia for KFRC San Francisco. He says on air that they made him an offer he couldn't refuse, so he is packing up and heading out west, then he thanks everybody in his circle of friends, associates, and so forth.

For example - When Wink left KRLA in April of 1962, he thanked everyone and said that he was going to work at Dot Records as their A & R director, and that he had really enjoyed his time in radio. I was quite young, but I remember hearing that show and thinking that I would really miss Wink.

In Sept. of 1962, Jim O'Neill voluntarily resigned in the same way, with a very gracious good-bye show, thanked everyone, etc., etc.
And I heard that show.

And......I think the same thing might have happened when Sam Riddle left KRLA - although I don't remember hearing his show.

So, if Wink voluntarily resigned from KFWB, then he would be allowed a good-bye show.......but if he were fired, or they came to a "meeting of the minds and wanted to move in a different creative direction" ( a euphemism for "you're fired"), then that person usually leaves immediately.

So, Wink must have wanted to leave of his own accord. ( which disproves my conjecture that he was fired. As you say, conjecture is not our friend).

But if an air talent is fired, then they pretty much are gone without any notice. By the way, this is difficult on listeners, who are just left hanging in the lurch and have no idea what happened to a beloved entertainer. Obviously, if the listener calls the station and asks, "Hey, where is so and so, who did a cool show", then the station simply replies, "We have no comment on personnel issues", so the listener has no idea.
As with everything, it varies a bit.

In the era we're speaking of, an air talent being fired would probably be allowed to gather up their belongings and say goodbye to a few people on the way out the door, but it depends on how they took the news and why they were fired. Criminal behavior, violations of policy or an antagonistic relationship with management is unlikely to buy the talent any favors at the end.

Today, the standard approach is to have a representative of HR in the office, explain what will happen next (severance, delivery of personal items by courier or station staffer to their home) and when the meeting is over, the talent is usually escorted directly out of the building (often by security), usually through the exit closest to the manager's office to avoid passing by co-workers and air studios. They're often escorted all the way to their car and the person doing the escorting waits to make sure the car leaves.

By the way, that last paragraph isn't just for firings---it's pretty much how modern broadcast management handles layoffs, too. Even if they hope to bring you back at some point, the final few minutes are pretty cold.

Recently (since COVID) I've heard of management conducting terminations off-site. It looks like lunch with the boss until you see the HR person in the booth too when you walk in the restaurant.

And in at least one instance I've heard of, termination isn't even in-person. In 2015, Charlie Tuna's doorbell rang and there was a messenger from KRTH with a letter informing him his services were no longer required and a check.

The rest of the staff finds out in a tersely worded memo..."Effective today, (name) is no longer an employee of (call letters). We wish (him/her/them) the best in their future endeavors." And often, that memo is held until the end of business, so productivity isn't impacted.

Now, the exceptions.

If we're dealing with a "soft firing"---a talent with very little time left on their contract, but they're unable to reach agreement on an extension---if the negotiations weren't acrimonious, management might trust the talent to work out the remainder of the contract on-air and say goodbye at the end (examples: Charlie Tuna at KHJ in 1972, though he jumped the gun, mentioned it at the end of the previous day's show and wasn't allowed back the next day; Geoff Edwards and Wink Martindale at KMPC in 1979).

The key word there is "might". It's just as likely that the talent will be taken off the air when the negotiations hit the impasse and the remainder of their contract paid off, either in a lump sum, or in continued paychecks even though they're no longer working.

Generally, the odds of a goodbye show increase with the importance of the talent to the radio station, how big their ratings are, and if it's a move out of town or a retirement.

Even then, though, management is playing Russian roulette allowing a full-blown "goodbye show". A great example, Robert W.Morgan at KHJ on his last show before going to WIND, Chicago. Three hours of rampant self-indulgence.

When Wolfman Jack and XEPRS came to a parting of the ways in 1972, management told Wolf to write what he wanted to say and submit it for their approval. It was shaped into a two-minute goodbye that was then pre-recorded and inserted into an otherwise normal show for playback, like a commercial break, every 30 minutes.

Even Dr. Don Rose, a pro and a lovely man who would never want to cause problems, was so maudlin on his final day before KFRC's format switch that it really was counter-productive. Don was so highly paid, with a contract that ran to December 31, 1986, that KFRC couldn't afford to pay him in a lump sum in August. So he was kept on in the new "Magic 61" standards format, both sides knowing that it was only for four months. But in November, RKO figured they had the money, and wanting to avoid another big, teary goodbye, just paid Don the remainder and told him to stay home.

One of the best examples, though, of why you don't let even big name talent do a goodbye show, comes from that same format change and Bobby Ocean, who has made something of an art of goodbye shows. This one, though....well, this one might be why very few jocks get to do it anymore: Mixcloud
 
Dave Hull, coincidentally, was fired from KRLA later on, for playing an advance copy of a Beatles' record that wasn't supposed to be released until the next day, I think. In both these cases, the station would not comment on what happened.
Many of us have long suspected that this was one of the best-orchestrated promotional stunts...that Dave and KRLA knew what the reaction would be and that they could stage a "firing" and a "re-hiring".
 
So it occurs to me that broadcasting is a very itinerant profession, where on-air talent is subject to the whims of management, or to reports published by ratings services like Nielsen. It's very much an "at will" profession, where talent just suddenly disappears, or re-appears, or new talent all of a sudden shows up out of nowhere.
David really covered this well. I'll just add that, if you're a freshly certified teacher in California, there might be some differences between school districts on pay and benefits, but generally, you're as qualified to teach in L.A. as you are in Bishop.

In broadcasting, where the dollars at stake grow with the size of the market, you need to build experience and confidence to play in the bigs. And the compensation is vastly different.

There's a blog that hasn't been updated in six years devoted to KFXM and KMEN, the Top 40 rivals in the Inland Empire back in the day. (http://kfxm-kmen-radio.blogspot.com/). Now, you might think 60 miles outside Los Angeles couldn't be that much different, but there's a post from Brad Edwards, who was hired away from KFXM, where he was making $800 a month, to KGBS in Los Angeles, where he was paid $24,000 a year.

That's January of 1969, so adjusted for inflation, he jumped from $77,954 in the Inland Empire to $194,885.

That's enough to send any enterprising young person scrambling up the ladder as fast as they can.

But, as you note, even at the top, you're at the mercy of ratings and management's whims. And as I've looked at the careers of a lot of big talent, I wouldn't trade places with them.

Perhaps the best case in point is Charlie Tuna. Gets hired at KHJ at age 23. Takes over mornings in less than three years. But that only lasts 14 months before Robert W. Morgan, who bombed in Chicago, wants his old job back. KHJ offers him 9-noon at his morning salary, but Charlie says no. RKO starts working out a deal for Tuna to do mornings at WGMS in Washington, D.C., which they're going to flip from Classical to Top 40, but that plan leaks, is protested and is dropped.

Tuna, meantime, has a six-month non-compete clause keeping him off the air in L.A. until July. So he takes mornings at KCBQ in San Diego and drives roundtrip from Encino six days a week for months until something pops, which turns out to be KROQ-AM, which paid well, but was a house of cards financially, and that lasts a year...

Cut to the chase---Tuna wound up working for seventeen different radio stations in Southern California, including a couple years doing Country in Anaheim. Not working his way up the ladder, but trying not to fall off it.
 
95% of the credit goes to Frank for rescuing this board when it was about to be abandoned... and then for updating the software, maintaining everything working and a lot more. There is a lot of work involved with keeping the bots and spammers out as well, so I think its Frank that deserves a holiday toast for the effort.

For me, I'm just honored here to be the Lone Ranger's "Tonto"! (Those who know Spanish or look it up may get a laugh at that name...)
I always thought "tonto" must of been chosen as some kind of inside joke..because most of the audience wouldn't have a clue!
 
Circling back to airchecks online, I mentioned Mixcloud. Rob Frankel just announced on Facebook that, effective tomorrow, Mixcloud is limiting people to ten posts unless they pay $185 a year. He won't, so it's anyone's guess as to whether the 1,358 airchecks he has posted there will remain or be knocked down to just ten.

Not knowing who Retro Radio Joe is, I don't know whether he'll pay and continue to post or not.
 
THIS IS SO INTERESTING !! MICHAEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN THIS INFORMATION. Thank you or the Mixcloud link.

That was so cold of KRTH to fire Charlie like that. I always thought of him as a nice guy who was very sincere. Back in about 1991, KRLA under Mike Wagner wanted to do a revival to oldies format, and Charlie was there for awhile. Their oldies format lasted until about 1997 or so, when it was clear that AM music radio was losing out to the FM band.

Agree w/ you about Robert W. Morgan. He was always very self-indulgent. Huge ego. Same as Bob Hudson. There have been some really obnoxious morning personalities in L.A. who are just full of themselves. I understand that major talent in a major market like Los Angeles needs to have a lot of command presence and self-confidence, but a few of those guys were over the top with their egos.

Michael, does air talent sign contracts, the same as schoolteachers do? Teachers are signed to a 180 contract. ( They are not paid for summer vacation, Christmas vacation, spring break, etc.). Were the DJ's of the 70's signed to one year contracts? Did they have talent agents who negotiated one year contracts for them? If so, is there a clause in employment contracts that says that DJ's can be fired at will for low ratings? Thank you, and if you are out of time to answer questions, I do understand. But your explanations are really fascinating.

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David really covered this well. I'll just add that, if you're a freshly certified teacher in California, there might be some differences between school districts on pay and benefits, but generally, you're as qualified to teach in L.A. as you are in Bishop.

In broadcasting, where the dollars at stake grow with the size of the market, you need to build experience and confidence to play in the bigs. And the compensation is vastly different.

There's a blog that hasn't been updated in six years devoted to KFXM and KMEN, the Top 40 rivals in the Inland Empire back in the day. (http://kfxm-kmen-radio.blogspot.com/). Now, you might think 60 miles outside Los Angeles couldn't be that much different, but there's a post from Brad Edwards, who was hired away from KFXM, where he was making $800 a month, to KGBS in Los Angeles, where he was paid $24,000 a year.

That's January of 1969, so adjusted for inflation, he jumped from $77,954 in the Inland Empire to $194,885.

That's enough to send any enterprising young person scrambling up the ladder as fast as they can.

But, as you note, even at the top, you're at the mercy of ratings and management's whims. And as I've looked at the careers of a lot of big talent, I wouldn't trade places with them.

Perhaps the best case in point is Charlie Tuna. Gets hired at KHJ at age 23. Takes over mornings in less than three years. But that only lasts 14 months before Robert W. Morgan, who bombed in Chicago, wants his old job back. KHJ offers him 9-noon at his morning salary, but Charlie says no. RKO starts working out a deal for Tuna to do mornings at WGMS in Washington, D.C., which they're going to flip from Classical to Top 40, but that plan leaks, is protested and is dropped.

Tuna, meantime, has a six-month non-compete clause keeping him off the air in L.A. until July. So he takes mornings at KCBQ in San Diego and drives roundtrip from Encino six days a week for months until something pops, which turns out to be KROQ-AM, which paid well, but was a house of cards financially, and that lasts a year...

Cut to the chase---Tuna wound up working for seventeen different radio stations in Southern California, including a couple years doing Country in Anaheim. Not working his way up the ladder, but trying not to fall off it.
I remember listening to Charlie one morning on KROQ 1500 about a month after KROQ's launch, and I think it was about 8:30 in the morning and after a song played I heard what I'm pretty sure was a McDonald's spot, and right after it Charlie said something to the effect: "Well there you have it the first commercial on the Charlie Tuna Show...how about that!"
 
THIS IS SO INTERESTING !! MICHAEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN THIS INFORMATION. Thank you or the Mixcloud link.

That was so cold of KRTH to fire Charlie like that. I always thought of him as a nice guy who was very sincere. Back in about 1991, KRLA under Mike Wagner wanted to do a revival to oldies format, and Charlie was there for awhile. Their oldies format lasted until about 1997 or so, when it was clear that AM music radio was losing out to the FM band.

Agree w/ you about Robert W. Morgan. He was always very self-indulgent. Huge ego. Same as Bob Hudson. There have been some really obnoxious morning personalities in L.A. who are just full of themselves. I understand that major talent in a major market like Los Angeles needs to have a lot of command presence and self-confidence, but a few of those guys were over the top with their egos.

Michael, does air talent sign contracts, the same as schoolteachers do? Teachers are signed to a 180 contract. ( They are not paid for summer vacation, Christmas vacation, spring break, etc.). Were the DJ's of the 70's signed to one year contracts? Did they have talent agents who negotiated one year contracts for them? If so, is there a clause in employment contracts that says that DJ's can be fired at will for low ratings? Thank you, and if you are out of time to answer questions, I do understand. But your explanations are really fascinating.

🙂🙂🙂
I ran into Charlie several years ago when he was purchasing some cables and what not for his home studio and we chatted a bit about his experience at KRTH (He was less than thrilled). The only reason I even mention this is that it was about two weeks later that he would pass away. I was shocked when I heard this because it seemed like I had spoken to him about 5 minutes ago...I know we all miss Charlie a lot.
 
That was so cold of KRTH to fire Charlie like that. I always thought of him as a nice guy who was very sincere. Back in about 1991, KRLA under Mike Wagner wanted to do a revival to oldies format, and Charlie was there for awhile. Their oldies format lasted until about 1997 or so, when it was clear that AM music radio was losing out to the FM band.
Tuna was one of the best talents in the country and a very nice guy. He deserved, as much as anyone, to have a series of long runs at top-notch radio stations.

Again, I'm going to gently point out the hazards of going by memory. KRLA went all oldies under Mike Wagner in 1984, and Charlie came over from KRLA's FM sister, KHTZ in 1986 when it became classic rock KLSX. Charlie actually left KRLA in 1990 to go to KODJ.
 
Agree w/ you about Robert W. Morgan. He was always very self-indulgent. Huge ego. Same as Bob Hudson. There have been some really obnoxious morning personalities in L.A. who are just full of themselves. I understand that major talent in a major market like Los Angeles needs to have a lot of command presence and self-confidence, but a few of those guys were over the top with their egos.
I always thought of Hudson's thing as an act more than true ego.

Morgan, well....stories of his bad behavior are legendary, but he had the quickest and sharpest wit I think I've ever heard.

Moments that stick out in my memory, both from KMPC:

"Pope John Paul the second was at Dodger Stadium for mass last night. 87-thousand people. That should tell Lasorda what happens when you put a big name in center field."

And then, there was the mandated Friday interview with whoever was coaching the Rams, because KMPC was the flagship station.

In 1987, there was an NFL strike and the teams decided to continue playing with scab players. John Robinson was the coach at the time and Morgan was being merciless, asking Robinson which Pop Warner teams he was raiding for talent. Robinson was not amused and let Morgan know it.

Morgan pretended to be chastened, and said "Okay, coach. So you're playing the Saints in New Orleans this weekend." Robinson said "Right."

Morgan said "What time does the team bus leave?"

Robinson sputters---clearly about to unleash F-bombs live on air. The engineer goes into the commercial break. Commercials end.

Jingle: "Robert-double-u-Morgan-----K-M-P-C"

Cold into Fats Domino's "Walkin' To New Orleans."

If I hadn't been in the car, I would have been on the floor.
 
I always thought of Hudson's thing as an act more than true ego.

Morgan, well....stories of his bad behavior are legendary, but he had the quickest and sharpest wit I think I've ever heard.

Moments that stick out in my memory, both from KMPC:

"Pope John Paul the second was at Dodger Stadium for mass last night. 87-thousand people. That should tell Lasorda what happens when you put a big name in center field."

And then, there was the mandated Friday interview with whoever was coaching the Rams, because KMPC was the flagship station.

In 1987, there was an NFL strike and the teams decided to continue playing with scab players. John Robinson was the coach at the time and Morgan was being merciless, asking Robinson which Pop Warner teams he was raiding for talent. Robinson was not amused and let Morgan know it.

Morgan pretended to be chastened, and said "Okay, coach. So you're playing the Saints in New Orleans this weekend." Robinson said "Right."

Morgan said "What time does the team bus leave?"

Robinson sputters---clearly about to unleash F-bombs live on air. The engineer goes into the commercial break. Commercials end.

Jingle: "Robert-double-u-Morgan-----K-M-P-C"

Cold into Fats Domino's "Walkin' To New Orleans."

If I hadn't been in the car, I would have been on the floor.
I always thought of "Beautiful Blue-eyed Bob" as an institution at KRLA...he was absolutely hysterical on the comedy albums he did with Ron Landry, and Dave Hull. I think everybody's favorite track seemed to be "Ajax Liquor Store" Every now and then I dust off the LPs to have a few laughs...
 
Michael, does air talent sign contracts, the same as schoolteachers do? Teachers are signed to a 180 contract. ( They are not paid for summer vacation, Christmas vacation, spring break, etc.). Were the DJ's of the 70's signed to one year contracts? Did they have talent agents who negotiated one year contracts for them? If so, is there a clause in employment contracts that says that DJ's can be fired at will for low ratings? Thank you, and if you are out of time to answer questions, I do understand. But your explanations are really fascinating.
It depends. Most pure radio talents probably didn't have agents and negotiated their deals (which often were "take it or leave it") themselves. I think the most likely ones to have agents were the ones with significant TV and/or movie careers in addition (Bob Crane, maybe---very likely Gary Owens, Geoff Edwards and Wink Martindale).

Contracts in those days were likely very simple. You work for us and only us for a year for this much money. If we fire you, we either guarantee you a specified number of weeks severance, or if you're a big enough deal, we pay you the remainder of your contract. There was often a non-compete clause that would prevent a talent from going to work for a competitor for six months.

All the KHJ jocks were originally hired in 1965 to work for union scale (at the time $15,000 a year, which is $142,000 a year in today's money). Over time, they got increases, but in 1969, Morgan and Steele decided they were worth more than the other guys (everyone was around $35,000 at this point). They demanded $80,000 a year each and were told no.

So, after their shows on May 30, both of them walked out---on strike, they said.

Ron Jacobs, KHJ's PD, called their bluff---went to four-hour shifts, put Tuna in mornings in place of Robert W. and Humble Harve in afternoons. And did just fine.

Steele folded first, coming back to work after one month. Morgan held out for an additional 30 days before returning---both of them at the same salary they had when they walked out the door.
 
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I always thought of "Beautiful Blue-eyed Bob" as an institution at KRLA...he was absolutely hysterical on the comedy albums he did with Ron Landry, and Dave Hull. I think everybody's favorite track seemed to be "Ajax Liquor Store" Every now and then I dust off the LPs to have a few laughs...
There's also a great exchange between him and BMR on an aircheck from KFWB in the fall of '67. Bob remarks on Mitch's cologne being a little much, and then says "There's a DJ up in San Francisco---Al Jazzbeaux Collins. He just draws his straight out of the neck of a moose."

That line just kills me.
 
Morgan pretended to be chastened, and said "Okay, coach. So you're playing the Saints in New Orleans this weekend." Robinson said "Right."

Morgan said "What time does the team bus leave?"

Robinson sputters---clearly about to unleash F-bombs live on air. The engineer goes into the commercial break. Commercials end.

Jingle: "Robert-double-u-Morgan-----K-M-P-C"

Cold into Fats Domino's "Walkin' To New Orleans."

If I hadn't been in the car, I would have been on the floor.

Now, that's funny ! And I remember that jingle perfectly !
You tell these stories so well ! It really brings the past era right back to life. Thank you - it does my nostalgic heart good. I am glad that someone else remembers the old days and tells the stories so well. I will listen to stories like these any time that you ( or anyone) can spare time to tell them. 👍 😊😊😊
 
By the way, if we want to talk about bad boys with microphones and transmitters and why you don't give them free rein, here's Don Imus in February of 1988, when Emmis Broadcasting announced plans to buy WNBC:

Thank you for sending this along !
So Don Imus, who at the end of this rant, announced that his program was the finest program on the air anywhere in America...... is absolutely impossible.
And you're right, this is a perfect example of why bad boys with microphones should not be given free rein.
It's also a perfect example of why I could never, ever tolerate Imus -- or any other DJ who considered himself a "bad boy" type.
This is also why I cannot stand current "bad boys" like Chuck and Dave, who are apparently right now the # 1 rated toast of Detroit, signed to a huge contract; and they are insufferable. JMO.
 
So Don Imus, who at the end of this rant, announced that his program was the finest program on the air anywhere in America...... is absolutely impossible.
Then you probably don't want to listen to Robert W. and Imus together at WNBC in 1973.

Best line is when a female caller asks Morgan how old he is:

Morgan: "How old do you want me to be?"

Caller: "Twenty-seven."

Morgan: "Twenty-seven? I'll have to stop by Columbia Records first."

 
There's also a great exchange between him and BMR on an aircheck from KFWB in the fall of '67. Bob remarks on Mitch's cologne being a little much, and then says "There's a DJ up in San Francisco---Al Jazzbeaux Collins. He just draws his straight out of the neck of a moose."

That line just kills me.
Speaking of BMR...back sometime in the late seventies KMET turned itself into KFWB for a day, and they got quite a bit of the KFWB alumni to take part in it. Somebody who's name now escapes me was doing a promo for BMR's upcoming shift and said: "Sorry folks BMR's going to be a little late for his program today because Mitch Reed got his nose caught in the studio door and had to be taken to the hospital...no,no, don't worry the doctors say he's going to be okay allthough they said they are going to have to amputate the first three feet of it !"
 
Speaking of BMR...back sometime in the late seventies KMET turned itself into KFWB for a day, and they got quite a bit of the KFWB alumni to take part in it. Somebody who's name now escapes me was doing a promo for BMR's upcoming shift and said: "Sorry folks BMR's going to be a little late for his program today because Mitch Reed got his nose caught in the studio door and had to be taken to the hospital...no,no, don't worry the doctors say he's going to be okay allthough they said they are going to have to amputate the first three feet of it !"
It was November 11, 1972. Here's the first hour:

 
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