I think CHR/Pop outperforming Classic Hits in 25-54 with the opposite result is moreso a New York anomaly than a national trend. In Seattle, for example, Classic Hits KJEB is top 5 in 25-54 and 18-49 while lagging behind in 18-34, with CHR/Pop leader KQMV being top 5 in the three aforementioned sales demos. Regardless, it's a good sign for the format that it's seeing success stories with younger demos than it has in the past, given the reputation Classic Hits has had in the past for being a 6+ leader but lagging behind in the sales demos.
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Thoughts on CBS-FM Success and Personalities
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Next week will be Scott Shannon’s last show on WCBS-FM. What’s going to happen after Scott Shannon leaves, I’m going to be officially done with WCBS-FM. Starting next week, right after I’m finish listening to Scott Shannon, or during his final show, I will be starting a thread called “I Am Officially Done With WCBS-FM”. I will be discussing about the station, and my longtime listener and fan of the station as well as the iconic DJ’s like Harry Harrison, Bill Brown, Bob Shannon, Don K Reed, Dan Daniel, Dan Taylor, Ron Lundy, Dan Ingram, Bobby Jay, and others, and why did the music has changed during the last 50 years, and where did all of the listeners and myself would go next where I will be starting a new thread starting next week during Scott Shannon’s final show.
I am recording Scott Shannon from his final month on the air, and I will be posting them this weekend.
I am recording Scott Shannon from his final month on the air, and I will be posting them this weekend.
Harry's dead. Bill's dead. Don and Ron and two of the four Dans are dead. ("Bob Shannon" is really Don Bombard, and he retired for health reasons over a decade ago.) Bobby's up there in years, and Dan Taylor is getting there. You didn't mention Bruce, but he's 85 or so. The iconic deejays are either quite old or no longer with us.
I enjoy a lot of that musical era, I grew up with it, and as it happens one of the aforementioned guys was a friend, and I've met a few of the others over the years. I used to love that station. But "Rock Around the Clock" debuted in 1955. (As it happens, so did my brother, and they're now both 67.) When CBS-FM launched as an oldies station in 1972, "Rock Around the Clock" was 18 years ago, and everything else they played was more recent. By 2005, when CBS-FM got Jack'ed, it was half a century old. So if you had just entered junior high when it hit #1, you were 62 or 63 by then. Sadly, advertisers don't want to spend money to reach you, and stations need revenue to stay viable, so the music of your youth ain't gonna cut it any longer. That's the way it works, whether you (or I) like it or not.
Magnificent and well reasoned response. That's the way it is.
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I do respect my opinion on the oldies thing. CBS-FM was a great station for years, and I enjoyed Harry Harrison, Ron Lundy, Dan Ingram, Don K Reed, Norm N Nite, Bob Shannon, Dan Daniel, Mike Fitzgerald, Cousin Brucie and more. And Scott Shannon is the last one on board that he is gonna go as of next week. January 2nd, I’m going to WMTR and listen to Allan David Stein from “Doo-Wop Drive”, and he is going to do a great job with his morning show. He plays a lot of oldies than what CBS-FM did back in the day. I see people using phone apps to get your oldies fix after Scott Shannon leaves, and oldies is the way to go, and I don’t care about CBS-FM. We’ll start a lengthy thread next week when Scott Shannon is going to do his final show where he did a live broadcast at the Blythedale Children’s Hospital. After Scott Shannon ends it’s 8-year run, it’s officially done. I’m going to play “The End” by the Doors which is quite an appropriate song for Scott Shannon to leave WCBS-FM forever. We’ll do that next week, and we’ll keep an eye on for it. Only 5 morning shows left for Scott and the team, and that’s it.
With all the iconic jocks mentioned in this thread, I would add that WCBS-FM is lucky to still have one of the greats. Even after Scott Shannon leaves, Broadway Bill Lee will be around for at least another couple of years. Even in his 70s, he's still one of the best in the business. While I don't prefer WCBS's tight and repetitive playlist, I stream the station just to listen to Broadway Bill.
Plus his True Oldies Channel is on WCBS HD3.
I agree. People blame "radio" because their favorite DJs died. That's what happens. Radio didn't kill them, they died on their own.
And one other thing listeners (and TV viewers, moviegoers, etc.) forget: These are real people, human beings. Like most of the rest of us, they have their friends and family, they like vacationing. They enjoy their weekends, whichever days of the week they have off. They may want to spend time with their grandkids. They're flesh and blood. At some point, health permitting, they are going to want to enjoy their remaining years without being tethered to a schedule and a commute.
Shannon's been lucky. (Which isn't to say he didn't earn his "luck".) He's had a long run at three iconic New York City stations, plus a number of other out-of-market ones. And he's going out on his own terms. Bill Lee will bail also at some point, assuming the station doesn't "retire" him involuntarily first. There's only four ways out: retire healthy, retire due to illness, get sent packing or get carried out feet-first. (Google the name "Bill Winters" for an example of that last option.) Everybody should take option #1 before options 2, 3 or 4 take them first.
With the technology we have now, if they so desire, jocks can still work in retirement. SiriusXM 60s on 6's Phlash Phelps travels the country (and even Mexico) while tracking his morning show; "Shotgun" Tom Kelly and several others track from home. Wink Martindale is doing The History of Rock and Roll. But, yes, many have passed away, or certainly don't want a daily in-studio grind.
That was absolutely great. One thing about Bill Lee: From the first time I heard an aircheck of him (when he was still Bill Lankey), it was obvious he loved what he was doing, and the result was he was one of the best.
How do you know Scott Shannon wasn't forced out? I've been thinking all along that this has been a forced retirement by Audacy.
Thanks for sharing! I look forward to watching.
Long story short: Last summer, I bought some used cassette tapes on eBay. Yes, I still use cassettes for my DXing hobby. The seller came from Northern New Jersey. Out of curiosity, I played the tapes. One tape had a near-full 45 minutes of Bill Lee on Hot 97! I did my best to figure out the date, and given the talk about the Persian Gulf War, I figured out that it came from either late January or early February 1991. Another tape, for what it's worth, had about 25 minutes of Kid Kelly on Z100. It was from the same time period.
Because as the press release states, the station will continue its relationship with him in his other ventures:
Scott Shannon retiring from WCBS-FM, ending morning show this December
After an incredible broadcasting career that has spanned over four decades, much of that time spent in New York City, radio legend Scott Shannon has decided to retire from his “Big Show” morning show on Audacy’s WCBS-FM.
www.audacy.com
When he left WPLJ, they severed all relationships.
That doesn’t prove anything. A similar situation just happened in Tampa with Beasley where a heritage talent got laid off and then later the station announced it will “continue its relationship with him in other ventures”.
I suspect Audacy didn’t want to continue to pay Scott’s salary. The choice was to either fire him or have him continue part-time “in other ventures“. We all know which option looks better from PR standpoint.
It proves that the parting was not one sided. Scott doesn't need the money. But at 75, he knows his clock is ticking. He also doesn't need the aggravation. Waking up at 3AM for 40 years gets to be a drag after a while. At some point, people want to live like a human for whatever time remains.
The other thing worth considering is his age. Shannon is 75 years old. Consider that his time of taking Z100 "from worst to first" occurred in the early 1980s and he's more or less been going non-stop since even before then. He may be ready for a break at this point. Rather than getting up well before dawn each morning and having to be fresh and fun and energetic for hours each weekday, he may simply be ready to dial it back, do some stuff here at there as he wishes, take some time for himself to do the things he wants to do, and take on a much lighter work schedule.
Scott has had amazing success and longevity in this business that few can match. I'm guessing he had a big hand in his decision to depart. Even if it wasn't fully his idea and he was given a bit of a nudge, at the age of 75 he has nothing to be butt hurt about and is financially secure.
Press releases never prove anything. The company tells you what they want you to know. That’s all.
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