We need to hammer this part because it's core to why radio isn't like it was. At one time, towns had local department stores. That may seem hard to believe, but it's true. Local versions of Macys. In fact at one time, Macy's was a local department store. It just got bigger. But when the nationalization of retail happened, it changed radio. It didn't happen overnight, but it happened. And when it was done, radio changed, because the money went away and wasn't replaced. This kept happening. Another core part of radio's business disappeared, and radio changed again. That brings us to where we are today. All of the business that used to be there is starting to be replaced by the kinds of advertising you now hear. The depressing ads for drugs or lawyers or insurance or various other things. And they don't pay as much as the former advertisers. We used to ignore these kinds of advertisers because we had local retail and other local business. Now it's basically all we have. Radio isn't killing itself. The lack of local business is killing radio.
This is why I keep saying that if people paid for radio, it would sound very different. But people don't want to pay for radio. After 20 years, SiriusXM is maybe reaching 8-10% of radio users. Public radio is also being hurt because people don't want to pay for radio. So they have to rely on foundations and corporate funding to pay the bills. But it would sound very different if people paid for radio. If they did, we wouldn't need advertisers, we wouldn't need ratings, and we wouldn't have commercials. Formats wouldn't be limited to a few, playlists would likely be bigger, and the entire focus of what we do would be different. But we'll never really know. The only people who are willing to pay for radio are Christians who support religious radio. That's the only growth we see in radio. If iHeart was broken up, they are who would buy it. Because they're the only ones with money.