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Program Directors vs. Music Directors

Top and bottom of the hour was traditional. In L.A., Chuck Blore was the first to try alternate news times, with a newscast at :55 and a news feature called "L.A. Today" at :15.

KRLA, which went Top 40 a year later, chose to avoid clutter by putting one big nine-minute newscast on at :50 that would run to a countdown to the ID at :59.

So when Bill Drake launched KHJ, he had to choose. In San Diego, at KGB, which he consulted, the newscasts were at :15 and :45---which would overlap KFWB's :15 and part of KRLA's :50. Not optimal. Top and bottom destroys the staging of the legal ID at the top and bottom of the hour.

So he went with :20 and :40 (though the :20s were very infrequent---and usually in morning drive only). KHJ would be in a newscast
from :40 to :50 and anyone tuning out would run into a newscast on KRLA immediately and on KFWB five minutes later. Meantime, KHJ would often be in a music sweep all the way to :06.

By the way, Drake would not have considered "hiding" a newscast. While he wasn't a fan of being forced to do news, he's quoted as saying "If we have to do news---it's gonna be the best news." And the RKO Top 40 stations had tremendous news organizations.
I think J. Paul Huddleston may have been one of the KHJ News alumni. I also remember hearing him on the nascent 1500 KROQ along with Paul Oscar Anderson. Anyone else come to mind?

Talking about station IDs under the old rules: a buddy of mine got his first gig at a very small station in a very small town in Alaska
and voiced an ID at just after 7:02 pm and actually received a notice of violation about a week later, his combination PD, SM, GM, CE, and Owner was less than pleased, and it almost cost him his job. This happened so long ago I don't remember what the fine was...
 
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I think J. Paul Huddleston may have been one of the KHJ News alumni. I also remember hearing him on the nascent 1500 KROQ along with Paul Oscar Anderson. Anyone else come to mind?
J.Paul was at KHJ---in fact, Drake kept the KHJ newsroom intact when he took the station Top 40. Despite having lousy ratings, the previous incarnation of KHJ was considered one of the best local newsrooms in town.

From memory, at KHJ:

J. Paul Huddleston
Marv Howard
Art Kevin
Bill Brown
Roger Aldi
Lyle Kilgore

And yes, J. Paul did go to KROQ-AM for its launch, reuniting with Charlie Tuna. KHJ brought B.R. Bradbury down from KFRC to fill the vacancy.
 
By the way, Drake would not have considered "hiding" a newscast. While he wasn't a fan of being forced to do news, he's quoted as saying "If we have to do news---it's gonna be the best news." And the RKO Top 40 stations had tremendous news organizations.
And there was Drake's CKLW, famous for bleeding edge news coverage. While the deeply descriptive language got industry recognition, the fact was that CKLW's news was astoundingly well written and dramatically delivered.

Some of it reminds me of Gabriel Heatter two decades before... "Disaster has no cheerier greeter/than gleeful, gloating Gabriel Heatter"
 
Talking about station IDs under the old rules: a buddy of mine got his first gig at a very small station in a very small town in Alaska
and voiced an ID at just after 7:02 pm and actually received a notice of violation about a week later, his combination PD, SM, GM, CE, and Owner was less than pleased, and it almost cost him his job. This happened so long ago I don't remember what the fine was...
Generally there was no fine, just a notice of violation which had to be answered properly, becoming part of the station's record.

I got an ID notification around 1971 in Puerto Rico. In the summer, we were out of the signal reach of any of the WWV frequencies and clocks could get off due to poor 60 Hz power line regulation. We were off by over 2 minutes and had to respond to the Commission. Rather than saying that it was next to impossible to get accurate time references, I decided to buy one of those early "atomic clock" station devices that created their own reference signal. They were about $500 back then, sort of like spending $3500 for a clock today!
 
J.Paul was at KHJ---in fact, Drake kept most of the KHJ newsroom intact when he took the station Top 40. Despite having lousy ratings, the previous incarnation of KHJ was considered one of the best local newsrooms in town.

From memory, at KHJ:

J. Paul Huddleston
Marv Howard
Art Kevin
Bill Brown
Roger Aldi
Lyle Kilgore

And yes, J. Paul did go to KROQ-AM for its launch, reuniting with Charlie Tuna. KHJ brought B.R. Bradbury down from KFRC to fill the vacancy.
I remember Richard Beebe at KRLA but can't think of anyone else...
 
J.Paul was at KHJ---in fact, Drake kept the KHJ newsroom intact when he took the station Top 40. Despite having lousy ratings, the previous incarnation of KHJ was considered one of the best local newsrooms in town.

From memory, at KHJ:

J. Paul Huddleston
Marv Howard
Art Kevin
Bill Brown
Roger Aldi
Lyle Kilgore

And yes, J. Paul did go to KROQ-AM for its launch, reuniting with Charlie Tuna. KHJ brought B.R. Bradbury down from KFRC to fill the vacancy.
Did you mean Bill Brown or Bill Browning...I knew Bill Browning (may he RIP), who worked in news at many of the big LA stations and in addition he cut CBS TV promos over at Television City on Fairfax...
 
Generally there was no fine, just a notice of violation which had to be answered properly, becoming part of the station's record.

I got an ID notification around 1971 in Puerto Rico. In the summer, we were out of the signal reach of any of the WWV frequencies and clocks could get off due to poor 60 Hz power line regulation. We were off by over 2 minutes and had to respond to the Commission. Rather than saying that it was next to impossible to get accurate time references, I decided to buy one of those early "atomic clock" station devices that created their own reference signal. They were about $500 back then, sort of like spending $3500 for a clock today!
Today the "cheapo atomic clocks" simply tune into the LF or VLF freq's used by WWVL or WWVB.
 
Grant Hudson was a lot younger than he sounded. Research shows he passed away in 2021 at the age of 76. I didn't see the date of this aircheck but I'm guessing 1973-75 so he would have been in the 27-29 age range.
There's no date on the aircheck, but that news open was used from 1969-72, so he'd have been a bit younger---24-27.
 
Right, which is what I wrote in different words.

Not being a PD in Kansas City is really beside the point.

It seems lost on you that she went to work at WHB in Kansas City in 1955 and in three years (1958), she learned enough from Todd Storz as his programming assistant to be named Program Director of WMGM, New York, and, two years later (1960), to move across the street to the better, stronger, WMCA.

That is an epic, historic and remarkable achievement, and no one in New York City, regardless of their connections with Todd Storz, would risk the future of their radio station unless they knew Ruth could program a winning station.
Just my opinion, but I thought WMCA was brilliantly programmed by Ms. Meyer. I grew up in Baltimore and often listened to WABC at night. But when our family visited New York, my choice was always WMCA. I read that Ruth Meyer also designed the Good Guy sweatshirts. A very talented woman.
 
Just my opinion, but I thought WMCA was brilliantly programmed by Ms. Meyer. I grew up in Baltimore and often listened to WABC at night. But when our family visited New York, my choice was always WMCA. I read that Ruth Meyer also designed the Good Guy sweatshirts. A very talented woman.
Roddy, I think so also. Thank you. 😊
 
Not being a PD in Kansas City is really beside the point.

It seems lost on you that she went to work at WHB in Kansas City in 1955 and in three years (1958), she learned enough from Todd Storz as his programming assistant to be named Program Director of WMGM, New York, and, two years later (1960), to move across the street to the better, stronger, WMCA.
Michael. You are better than this. No, it is not "lost on me". Please do not condescend and treat me like a dummy. I will explain more later on, but I am not a dummy; and things are not "lost on me." :(
 
And there was Drake's CKLW, famous for bleeding edge news coverage. While the deeply descriptive language got industry recognition, the fact was that CKLW's news was astoundingly well written and dramatically delivered.

Some of it reminds me of Gabriel Heatter two decades before... "Disaster has no cheerier greeter/than gleeful, gloating Gabriel Heatter"
Before the blood and guts, Dick Smythe was at CKLW as early as 1962 in the "CK Country" and pre-Drake top 40 era. He, as News Director, stayed on in Paul Drew's fake Drake era and after Drake took over all the RKO top 40 stations. Listen to a newscast from Dick Smythe and J. Paul Huddleston back to back and they have a very similar delivery. Smythe and his department won awards for coverage of the Detroit riots, with Smythe on the scene. Smythe's protege, a very young Byron MacGregor (Gary Mack), took over the News Director chair when Smythe left for Toronto. Byron and his staff brought the blood 'n' guts. Smythe was critical of the approach. MacGregor was a stickler for writing (even after the Big 8's sound went more adult). The weekly cash award (never specified) for the best news tip of the week with a $1000 prize for the best news tip of the year, got people calling in and on the air. Here's more.
 
Before the blood and guts, Dick Smythe was at CKLW as early as 1962 in the "CK Country" and pre-Drake top 40 era. He, as News Director, stayed on in Paul Drew's fake Drake era and after Drake took over all the RKO top 40 stations. Listen to a newscast from Dick Smythe and J. Paul Huddleston back to back and they have a very similar delivery. Smythe and his department won awards for coverage of the Detroit riots, with Smythe on the scene. Smythe's protege, a very young Byron MacGregor (Gary Mack), took over the News Director chair when Smythe left for Toronto. Byron and his staff brought the blood 'n' guts. Smythe was critical of the approach. MacGregor was a stickler for writing (even after the Big 8's sound went more adult). The weekly cash award (never specified) for the best news tip of the week with a $1000 prize for the best news tip of the year, got people calling in and on the air. Here's more.
Fascinating video...Lee Marshall was with 790 KABC for years here in LA, and on 1580 KDAY, when the station was R&B, he was known by the moniker: "King News"...and he sounded like it...he was great !
 
Right, which is what I wrote in different words.

Not being a PD in Kansas City is really beside the point.

It seems lost on you that she went to work at WHB in Kansas City in 1955 and in three years (1958), she learned enough from Todd Storz as his programming assistant to be named Program Director of WMGM, New York, and, two years later (1960), to move across the street to the better, stronger, WMCA.

That is an epic, historic and remarkable achievement, and no one in New York City, regardless of their connections with Todd Storz, would risk the future of their radio station unless they knew Ruth could program a winning station.
No, Michael, I take exception to your statement that "it seems lost on me." I think that's too condescending. :-(

Just googling "Ruth Meyer WMCA radio" would unearth a piece about her on the WABC tribute page, where you'd learn that Ruth graduated from Kansas City Junior College in the early 1950s, wanted to work in newspapers and was given one month by her mother to find a job in newspapers or become a secretary.

Michael, I take that as your implication that I should have done due diligence on Ruth Meyer before I wrote anything. You work in broadcast journalism, and you're very particular about detailed minutiae. That's a great quality to have in journalism. But we're not doing journalism here. We're just chatting back and forth, sometimes about our impressions and opinions. This board is more subjective, because it's more like social conversation. Nonetheless, you are on many threads, sternly correcting people who don't show the proper command of minutiae honed to military precision.

For example, if someone says that Grant Hudson must have been between age 24-27 at such and such a time, then you correct them. NO - he was between age 27-29, because of the news open theme at CKLW at the time. (Good grief. - Isn't this a first world problem? The news open 60 years ago at CKLW? That's worse than my OCD with KRLA DJ shifts in the 1960's - 90's) :)


For example, if someone opines that Bill Drake might have wanted to hide the news by scheduling it at 20 - 20, you say NO. because here is detailed proof of something Drake said about RKO news at least half a century ago.

In short, you're a stickler for absolutely precise, on-the-mark exact reporting of exactly what happened, or you will scoldingly fact check that person. So, I did two hours of research on Ruth Meyer, before I dared to answer, because I knew that you would fact check me with a fine tooth comb.

And now you say that it isn't important, and the real message about Ruth Meyer is "lost on me." Excuse me, Michael. It is not lost on me. So I have to speak up for myself, even though I would like to appear deferential to you. You have never been a member of a marginalized group, have you? :(

So, when you get fact-checked yourself, then all of a sudden, fact-checking doesn't matter. Well, I disagree with that, because Ruth Meyer's career trajectory is important.

And I found the audio interview that Ruth Meyer did with Rollye James, where she speaks in her own words. As you like to say when you reprimand someone for inaccuracy, "There's tape on that ! " So here's the tape:

Ruth Meyer in her own voice

As we all know here, radio is a business. And the way that one advances in business is to find a mentor, to be an apprentice to someone who can help teach you the business, who will support you, and who will recommend you for an advancement. And that's what Todd Storz did for Ruth Meyer. He acted as a mentor for her and answered her questions about Top 40 radio. So she learned about that format. But she wasn't a Program Director at WHB Kansas City.

Then, Ruth explains that one of her colleagues at WHB was Peter Tripp. He had moved to WMGM New York. He was frustrated working there, because he thought they didn't understand Top 40. So, he was in contact with Ruth, who wanted to make a move to get out of Kansas City. So, he suggested to WMGM that they hire her. This is the way that many people change jobs in business -- they are able to do networking and have a list of contacts who will let them know when a job opens.

On the interview with Ruth, Rollye James asks her, "So, you were hired in to WMGM as Program Director? Ruth replies, "No. I was writing public service announcements, contests, goofy stuff like that. They didn't have a clue as to what I was doing."

So, Ruth Meyer, advanced through the ranks with mentorship and networking, the same as most of us did in our chosen profession.

Rollye James says that female copywriters and female music librarians were fairly common in those days. Rollye describes them as being "chick jobs." ( Her own words on tape). But Rollye also says that female program directors were virtually unheard of, back in those days. ( mid to late 1950's).

So it was not easy for Ruth Meyer. If you are telling me that it was easy for women to get jobs in broadcasting in the 50's - 60's, all you had to do was be brilliant, then I disagree. I'm older than you, and it was not easy for women in the 50's -- 60's. Yes, Ruth was hired because of her brilliance. And she did well. But she did have to advance through mentoring and networking, which is the way that most of us advance in our professions. - Daryl
 
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