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KDWN and KXST ceasing operations

50,000-watt 720 KDWN and 10KW 1140 KXST are going off as of 3/1/23 as the transmitter land was sold. KDWN is a nightly regular here.

 
Those of us in the west should start looking for WGN again. First time in 50 years or so.
 
Wow. It's one thing to take a 500 watt daytimer off the air. It's another thing to do it to a one-time 50,000 watt AM powerhouse. Sure, KDWN has been an underperformer for decades. I've always wondered why its ratings have been so bad for so long, spending hours a day airing infomercials. When I saw Audacy was trading for it, I thought it had some hope.

Ha! Audacy traded for it, not to improve its programming and make it a decent performer. The company simply wanted to sell its tower site.

What a sad state of affairs. The KDWN 250 watt translator will remain. But the AM transmitter (now 25,000 watts days - 7,500 watts nights) will be silenced so its tower site can become land for a warehouse. And Audcacy doesn't even plan to give KDWN a new site, maybe diplexed and with lower power. It just will go off the air.
 
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It hasn't been a 50,000 watt station since 2020. It's been 25 kW days, 7500 watts at night from the 1140 site in NLV.
 
This felt like a foregone conclusion after the transmitter site was sold. Audacy got a nice pay day for the land (which was worth way, way more than the stations themselves) and an additional translator while Beasley got 107.5 as compensation for 720.

I’m assuming Audacy just flat-out turns the licenses in?
 
This felt like a foregone conclusion after the transmitter site was sold. Audacy got a nice pay day for the land (which was worth way, way more than the stations themselves) and an additional translator while Beasley got 107.5 as compensation for 720.

I’m assuming Audacy just flat-out turns the licenses in?
WFNI in Indianapolis is limping along from a tower on top of a building because somebody wants to buy it as an oldies station
 
One could apply for a new 50 kW facility on 720 in Las Vegas if the license is turned in, no?

Meanwhile, WGN will be in every most night after sunset.
 
Those of us in the west should start looking for WGN again. First time in 50 years or so.
Or you can try for the 146 watt night signal of KFIR, midway between Eugene and Salem, Oregon.😏
It hasn't been a 50,000 watt station since 2020. It's been 25 kW days, 7500 watts at night from the 1140 site in NLV.
I recall it had a very nice signal at night across the westernmost U.S. during the 50kw era. Day signal then was solid across the Mojave Desert; I recall a 1983 driving trip along I-40 between Kingman and Barstow, and KDWN was playing movie themes. My wife and I had a great time recalling which films they came from.
I’m assuming Audacy just flat-out turns the licenses in?
Or sells just the licenses to a greater fool, minus any actual physical facilities.

Had been curious what the fate of the stations would be after the swap. Can’t say I’m surprised.
 
One could apply for a new 50 kW facility on 720 in Las Vegas if the license is turned in, no?
No, at least not until and unless the FCC opens a filing window for new AM stations, which seems unlikely in the near future.

If and when that happens, you'd have to go to auction for it (even if you're the only one applying), and you'd be in for easily half a million dollars to build it out, assuming you could find a reasonable site.

If someone had a workable business plan for a new 720 in Vegas, somehow, they'd be much better off acquiring the existing license and keeping it alive under STA.
 
Audacy gave beasley a 100KW FM, they got an AM.. i figure all 3 facilities.. studio and transmitter facilities, equipment.. all told if you owned them free and clear, debt free and the land ...are worth commercially under normal circumstances $10 mil. if that.. and audacy gets $40 mil for the land.

So lets say those stations had to make that $30 mil difference if they didnt sell.... @DavidEduardo could probably tell us it would take a few decades too get that.

I dont know if id call it sad, just an evolution. this is a business afterall.
 
This is a smart move on Audacy's part, and Beasley comes out looking stupid!

It is expensive to properly maintain an AM facility with a big transmitter, and in the desert, you don't get "much bang for the buck" signal wise on AM. KDWN will be able to continue to reach nearly everyone they need to reach with 101.5, which will now be fed via an HD2 or HD3 signal.

KXTE - which went to Beasley - is worth nowhere remotely near the $40 million that Audacy will be receiving for the land that housed KDWN & KXST.

How long until Beasley dumps KXTE by flipping it to a Christian broadcaster?
 
So lets say those stations had to make that $30 mil difference if they didnt sell.... @DavidEduardo could probably tell us it would take a few decades too get that.
Las Vegas has been an underperforming market since the pandemic began, and there is concern that the nation's travel patterns may have permanently changed. There are lots of regional gaming options all across the US, so Vegas in the future will be based on the combination of huge entertainment options, from shows to major sports. Overall, the sale of valuable land produces more than a local ad market that seems to be less prosperous than it once was.
Serious question---if FM translators were meant to help AMs survive, how is it okay to take an AM dark and feed the translator from an HD? @DavidEduardo ? @fybush ?
Translators that are strictly tied to an AM are just one "kind" of that class of FMs. There are others that have formed a major part of both state and national educational and religious formats, where there is no local requirement for a "station to translate". And still others that must have a local licensed signal of any kind to operate... such as an HD2, HD3, HD4 signal. And there are some that are operated by AM stations, but which are not tied to that one specific license.

There are several experts on translators here who are more knowledgeable and can add some additional details, but I just wanted to mention that not all of them are strictly tied to one single AM license and can move from one to another or from an AM to an FM HD channel.

What I do see is an obvious wake-up call to the FCC to reconsider tying continued operation of a parent AM to a specific translator. AM is becoming unsustainable, and forcing stations to remain on the air just to keep the translator permit is not realistic. Of course, what is obvious to you and me may be received with a totally oblivious attitude by Fox Charlie Charlie.

Were I inside the Beltway in a position of authority, I'd look carefully at how Mexico and several other nations in our hemisphere reacted to the slow decline and, now, imminent death of AM: they changed the second adjacent channel separation requirements to allow more full, licensed FMs in more congested markets. By doing so, they were able to move about 80% of all existing AMs to the FM band with full facilities ranging from what in the US would be A's to complete C's.

The US separation requirements for FM stations were established to the greater extent over 60 years ago when FM receivers were not as selective and were subject to drift. Transmitters were not endowed with today's technology and the creations of Messrs. Orban, Oginowsky and Foti were decades away. It's time to revisit the FM band and declare AM to be obsolete.

Of course, there are issues of public safety where AM is a vastly superior communication service due to its primitive simplicity and that may need to be dealt with with a different, government based system of emergency stations and the provision of the populace with devices intended to provide communication when all else fails. And maybe (sarcasm: ON) a system of air balloon based transmitters to be launched in any emergency, local or national (sarcasm: OFF).
 
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Las Vegas has been an underperforming market since the pandemic began, and there is concern that the nation's travel patterns may have permanently changed. There are lots of regional gaming options all across the US, so Vegas in the future will be based on the combination of huge entertainment options, from shows to major sports. Overall, the sale of valuable land produces more than a local ad market that seems to be less prosperous than it once was.

Translators that are strictly tied to an AM are just one "kind" of that class of FMs. There are others that have formed a major part of both state and national educational and religious formats, where there is no local requirement for a "station to translate". And still others that must have a local licensed signal of any kind to operate... such as an HD2, HD3, HD4 signal. And there are some that are operated by AM stations, but which are not tied to that one specific license.

There are several experts on translators here who are more knowledgeable and can add some additional details, but I just wanted to mention that not all of them are strictly tied to one single AM license and can move from one to another or from an AM to an FM HD channel.

What I do see is an obvious wake-up call to the FCC to reconsider tying continued operation of a parent AM to a specific translator. AM is becoming unsustainable, and forcing stations to remain on the air just to keep the translator permit is not realistic. Of course, what is obvious to you and me may be received with a totally oblivious attitude by Fox Charlie Charlie.

Were I inside the Beltway in a position of authority, I'd look carefully at how Mexico and several other nations in our hemisphere reacted to the slow decline and imminent death of AM: they changed the second adjacent channel separation requirements to allow more full, licensed FMs in more congested markets. By doing so, they were able to move about 80% of all existing AMs to the FM band with full facilities ranging from what in the US would be A's to complete C's.

The US separation requirements for FM stations were established to the greater extent over 60 years ago when FM receivers were not as selective and were subject to drift. Transmitters were not endowed with today's technology and the creations of Messrs. Orban, Oginowsky and Foti were decades away. It's time to revisit the FM band and declare AM to be obsolete.

Of course, there are issues of public safety where AM is a vastly superior communication service due to its primitive simplicity and that may need to be dealt with with a different, government based system of emergency stations and the provision of the populace with devices intended to provide communication when all else fails. And maybe (sarcasm: ON) a system of air balloon based transmitters to be launched in any emergency, local or national (sarcasm: OFF).
Thanks for the explanation, David.

I'm inclined to agree that a migration of existing AM stations to FM is probably due if not overdue.
 
Serious question---if FM translators were meant to help AMs survive, how is it okay to take an AM dark and feed the translator from an HD? @DavidEduardo ? @fybush ?

Either the translator wasnt married to the AM for 3 or 5 years or permanently and they moved it to another source.. or it was married to the AM for 3 or 5 years or whatever the lenght of time was.. that time expired and they moved it to KMXB HD3.

Thats what happened in SW FL.. a few translators were fed by AM's and soon as the time period exp[ired, the translators mvoed to HD channels and the ANM licenses were cancelled
 
This is a smart move on Audacy's part, and Beasley comes out looking stupid!

It is expensive to properly maintain an AM facility with a big transmitter, and in the desert, you don't get "much bang for the buck" signal wise on AM. KDWN will be able to continue to reach nearly everyone they need to reach with 101.5, which will now be fed via an HD2 or HD3 signal.

KXTE - which went to Beasley - is worth nowhere remotely near the $40 million that Audacy will be receiving for the land that housed KDWN & KXST.

How long until Beasley dumps KXTE by flipping it to a Christian broadcaster?
Are we even sure that Audacy will even keep “KDWN’s” intellectual property long-term? KDWN still has a fair amount of leased-time commitments and it’s better to just let the contracts gradually run out than to buy them out.
Either the translator wasnt married to the AM for 3 or 5 years or permanently and they moved it to another source.. or it was married to the AM for 3 or 5 years or whatever the lenght of time was.. that time expired and they moved it to KMXB HD3.

Thats what happened in SW FL.. a few translators were fed by AM's and soon as the time period exp[ired, the translators mvoed to HD channels and the ANM licenses were cancelled
It also happened with 98.7 in St. Louis, that translator was wedded to KFTK 1490, which saw its license revoked after it was revealed that it and three other AMs were owned by a convicted felon. The translator was reassigned to KFTK-FM (which KFTK was already simulcasting).
 
Almost all contracts contain an 'out'. I've never seen a case of having to buy out a contract since we billed the leasee monthly. Our contracts had a 30 to 90 day out by either party. Generally you want the client to find a new radio home before you drop them. In most situations they move before the final date, get their deposit back with a little interest and leave the station covering their time block until the final day. Usually I just gave them the slot until the final day to promote the new home station.
 
The translator in question that will carry on with KDWN's programming is K268CS and has been in the Las Vegas area its entire existence, although at a number of different sites through several owners. It predates the FCC's AM Revitalization effort and was not ever tied to any AM station.

It broadcast from the top of the Strat (nee Stratosphere) and has excellent line of site to essentially the entire valley, minus a small area in south Henderson and Boulder City. It covers very well and serves basically the whole market minus Boulder City with a 65 dBu or better.

I would love to see the breakdown of listeners between 720 and 101.5, but I kind of doubt anyone knows that accurately... even Audacy.
 
Are we even sure that Audacy will even keep “KDWN’s” intellectual property long-term? KDWN still has a fair amount of leased-time commitments and it’s better to just let the contracts gradually run out than to buy them out.
I can't imagine they would simply because it is a waste of an FM signal. They will consolidate behind KXNT, and put some other more valuable programming on 101.5.
 
I can't imagine they would simply because it is a waste of an FM signal. They will consolidate behind KXNT, and put some other more valuable programming on 101.5.
It's okay if you don't like or care for that brand of talk radio, but why do you say it is a waste?

Also, there are more syndicated programs than can be aired on one station. It might make sense for them to keep 840 and 101.5 separate to tie up all the programs so another broadcast doesn't getting any ideas about launching a new news/talk station in the market.

Also, if we assume most of KDWN's audience is on 101.5 (and that is not clear), then KDWN is doing better than all the other translators other than 96.7. Maybe there isn't a better non-talk option for 101.5?

I suspect that if Audacy does end up blowing up news/talk on 101.5, it will be to give their sports HD-2 The Fan an analog FM signal, not for another generic music format.
 
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