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Let me say this quickly before the thread closes. Kelly : You have very outspoken strong opinions about people with whom you disagee, and you take pleasure in name-calling and scolding people. I take exception to this kind of internet bullying. You will never see eye-to-eye with a lot of people here, because you think that radio is obsolete, and this message board is about radio broadcasting. So, you will always think that a great many people here are so-called "Luddites."
Chimp wants to go purchase electronics equipment in person, where he can talk to salespeople in person. Chimp is a hands-on kind of learner, and that is how he likes to transact business. THAT IS OKAY, Kelly.
Some salespeople are hired on the basis of their expertise, and some are just hired to run the cash register. It depends on the store management. The Radio Shack manager in my town used to hire high school seniors who were "computer nerds" by their own definition, so they used to know a lot about computer components. Some people at Best Buy know about the differences between TV brands, and some don't.
Kelly, if you don't want to go shopping at retail stores, then don't do it. ( By the way, you can purchase cell phone lightning cables at the local supermarket). But please stop nit-picking at people and calling them names.
Radio Shack was in it's heyday long before phones and stuff became the thing.
Give me time to get used to the idea. I made a note of this thread for when I'm ready to try. On another site where I asked for advice about this stuff, I was reluctant but finally tried and got results, even if it was a nightmare to go through the process.
There are certain people who I could ask for help but I've bothered them enough and I want someone who knows TV antennas, who would best be able to locate and point the antenna the right way to get the best results in my specific situation. And it seems every time I get an antenna that seems to work, over time things will change and the signal is not perfect (which for digital TV is a very bad thing). This is why I'm reluctant to give up cable. That plus a TiVo that isn't that old but will become useless, and an old TiVo that is full but can't be upgraded to record more until I watch and delete everything, and another old TiVo that is full. The summer and the writer's strike should help me catch up.
And I won't be here for approximately a week. I hope to have details about my travels to post here. I know of one new station that I will try (I could have already though since it streams).
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And you obviously didn't read the thread Daryl, instead assuming I'm calling names. It's that sort of simplistic assumptions, than make people like you look foolish.
If you had bothered to read the thread, you would have seen that David first classified Vchimp's hesitancy with technology classifies him as a Luddite. I simply agreed.
As I've suggested prior when you've decided to scold me, to mind your own damn business. VChimp is a big boy, and can defend his position without you.
Again you're reading-in things that aren't there, instead trying to make this into something it's not. Grow up.
And if I want to help VChimp by giving suggestions, or have an opinion, that's okay too. Discussion board, remember?
You have a right to a view and an opinion Daryl, but let me be crystal clear: I don't care what you think.
I am the one who referred to the Chimp as a Luddite. That is not an insult, as it simply refers to a person who does not want or can't keep up with new technology and who is stuck in old or outdated tech. Heck, I have a sister-in-law who can't even send a picture on the nice iPhone we built her... she is a Luddite, too, but we still love her!
And he has been told that the people selling technology at retail are not where one should go for advice or guidance. There are tens of thousands of online review sites, advice sites, and even YouTube videos on how to use and set up new tech. But depending on minimum wage retail people for any advice is dangerous!
One of the reasons why Apple, with overpriced products, does so well is that the products are actually good but the Apple Store staffers are well trained and can actually help people. I am technically adequate (SBE member and old "first ticket" and PE license in Ecuador) but I buy Apple phones and tablets and watches because the product and the service are prime.
And that is what we warned the Chimp about. He does not listen well. Most Big Box store staffers are so useless they are dangerous... they are the ones who try to sell you $80 "higher quality" USB cables and have an amusing argument on why they are better.
Any good Radio Shack advice was gone 30 years ago.
I did mention that Best Buy has fairly well trained high end TV staffers, but they all try to sell you up. I had them try to move me to 8k HDTV and when I asked about how much content there was, was told that "lots and lots are coming and you don't want to miss out".
Nothing better than finding decent reviews and tests. Start with Consumer Reports for guidance that shows when higher priced models of the same brand offer nothing you might ever use!
And those cables, made with terrible quality wires and insulations and shields, are an example of the other side of the $80 USB cables at Best Buy. If I needed a throw-away "burner phone" for a temporary purpose, I might go to the 7-11 or the supermarket, but for anything else I'd learn what the specs are and buy a known quality.
All that said, I think that Chimp can go off the tracks often, introducing extraneous subjects into a thread; this board invites and encourages sidebars, but let's not talk about pizzas in a thread about English Common Law. It's annoying.
David, I need an hour to get the chores done, then I'll come back and explain my intent here. If you can leave this thread open for about an hour, then I'll clarify what I think is happening. Thank you, from Daryl
I see Chimp as a kindly, gentle, quiet, soul, and a thinker who often muses about topics before he brings them up. He's polite and respectful. He has a different learning modality than many people here, including David and Kelly.
In education, a learning modality is part of the field of cognitive science. It's a way of processing information. There is no right or wrong to learning modalities, except that people with different modalities may each feel that their way is the best. Chimp appears to be a hands-on learner. He processes information quickly when it is presented in a three-dimensional format. He wants to stand with the sales person and get information in person, while dialoguing with the person. He wants to hold or touch the product in which he is interested. That is how he learns best.
I understand the suggestion to read Consumer Reports and do internet research on a product before going to the store. That is my learning modality. But, my spouse does not find that helpful at all. My spouse tries to read through Consumer Reports, and it doesn't register with him. He finds it confusing and meaningless. He doesn't relate to 2 dimensional technical information on the computer screen. Like Chimp, he wants to go into the store, ask questions of a 3 dimensional sales person, hold or touch the product, and learn about operating it.
David is correct that salespeople in big box electronics stores often do not know their product, or they try to upsell the customer
( like saying that it's necessary to purchase an $80 lightning cable), and yes, they can waste a lot of time. But, that is how my spouse gains information on a product. I think it's the same way with Chimp.
Now, last time my spouse went to Best Buy, the sales person had no idea how the product worked, convinced my spouse to buy the product anyway, then it turned out that the product was completely wrong for the purpose my spouse had intended. But, hands-on learners still feel they do better by shopping in person. Chimp may have to exchange or return the product he gets, but he will know a lot more about it than if he just read Consumer Reports.
Please be patient with a person of a different learning modality. Don't become angry and launch into name-calling, ad hominem insults, and personal attacks. Just maintain civility and patience. Patience is a virtue. - Daryl
In education, a learning modality is part of the field of cognitive science. It's a way of processing information. There is no right or wrong to learning modalities, except that people with different modalities may each feel that their way is the best. Chimp appears to be a hands-on learner. He processes information quickly when it is presented in a three-dimensional format. He wants to stand with the sales person and get information in person, while dialoguing with the person. He wants to hold or touch the product in which he is interested. That is how he learns best.
I understand the suggestion to read Consumer Reports and do internet research on a product before going to the store. That is my learning modality. But, my spouse does not find that helpful at all. My spouse tries to read through Consumer Reports, and it doesn't register with him. He finds it confusing and meaningless. He doesn't relate to 2 dimensional technical information on the computer screen. Like Chimp, he wants to go into the store, ask questions of a 3 dimensional sales person, hold or touch the product, and learn about operating it.
David is correct that salespeople in big box electronics stores often do not know their product, or they try to upsell the customer
( like saying that it's necessary to purchase an $80 lightning cable), and yes, they can waste a lot of time. But, that is how my spouse gains information on a product. I think it's the same way with Chimp.
Now, last time my spouse went to Best Buy, the sales person had no idea how the product worked, convinced my spouse to buy the product anyway, then it turned out that the product was completely wrong for the purpose my spouse had intended. But, hands-on learners still feel they do better by shopping in person. Chimp may have to exchange or return the product he gets, but he will know a lot more about it than if he just read Consumer Reports.
Please be patient with a person of a different learning modality. Don't become angry and launch into name-calling, ad hominem insults, and personal attacks. Just maintain civility and patience. Patience is a virtue. - Daryl
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A note about going off-topic or bringing up a topic that causes anger or frustration. There are apparently thousands of members here, with thousands of different levels of expertise. There's people who are at the top of their game, world-class experts like our moderators. Right below them, are the walk-of-fame participants, star particpants, or leading participants. Their idea of what is relevant or germane to a topic thread is going to be different than someone with less knowledge and understanding.
I tend to go off-topic, because I am fascinated to learn everything all at once and keep thinking of ideas that are tangential to a thread, but not necessarily directly related. I don't think that I have ever delved from a conversation on English common law into the topic of pizza😅 ( David's example), but I might have come close. People here, especially the moderators, have been very diplomatic and patient with me. I would hope that Chimp and everyone else can have the same kindly treatment that I have received. Thank you, from Daryl
I tend to go off-topic, because I am fascinated to learn everything all at once and keep thinking of ideas that are tangential to a thread, but not necessarily directly related. I don't think that I have ever delved from a conversation on English common law into the topic of pizza😅 ( David's example), but I might have come close. People here, especially the moderators, have been very diplomatic and patient with me. I would hope that Chimp and everyone else can have the same kindly treatment that I have received. Thank you, from Daryl
All of importance if you are a teacher or doing some king of training. This is not a school; here we are supposed to be discussing radio topics. There is a point where people who are offensive, frequently inaccurate, constantly off topic or senseless are more of a distraction that can be tolerated.
David, I think that he is posting in good faith and is well-meaning; but is differently abled in how he is processing information. I don't see him intentionally being offensive or antagonistic towards others.
If part of the argument is "who is tech savvy here, and who is not?", then here is an example of a poster on this thread who is tech savvy, but who also cites an example of why radio is not obsolete. Dave B. is not a "Luddite", and he makes a good case here for radios in cars.
OK, will see what happens next time . . . if the phone systems stays up & working today.
Remember to, if a tornado goes thru an area and cell sites are physically damaged, so much for your cell phone working for emergency info, plus cell sites I believe still go into the phone system wired / fiber circuits that are scattered on poles and underground, they could get damaged too leaving a number of cell sites useless, leaving people in an area without cell service for days.
Now again getting back to "old fashion radio " . . . why is it the same it's been 100 years ago, like I said in recent post it should be DIGITAL . . . why isn't it - as I said it's the fault of AM & FM broadcasters, the FCC, the NAB and selfish companies. AM radio (at least AM), the heck with FM if they don't want to go digital, should have been made digital in the early 2000's.
Back to the tornado example, with cell sites out at least you can pick up a radio station 5-10-25 miles away that was out of the tornado impacted area using their OVER THE AIR signal, not streamed service since your cell phone is useless at this point. Hopefully the radio station will give important info to you. Where you are located, your car is damaged, your house is damaged, that battery operated cell phone is useless . . . but not that battery operated radio and those signals being transmitted from slightly out of the area of impact. they can prove very helpful.
OTA radio too me is still important but I believe there are too many people & companies that want it to seem useless. Especially the companies that make cell phones.
I know somebody will bring up intentional electromagnetic - disturbances! Well go ahead because that will knock out radio & cell service.
DETAILS AT 11 !!!
Al
Explain to me how radio transmits to people. Are there not towers with antennas on top of them? Same as cell phones?
If tornadoes damage cell towers, they also damage radio towers. I can show you pictures of radio towers destroyed by wind.
Using tornadoes as an example; they typically cut a swath through a particular area. One of my stations in upstate NY took a direct hit from a tornado that knocked down the tower, damaged the building too, but leaving the buildings on either side unscathed. That same tornado proceeded down the hill, knocking out the local N/T AM station by toppling two of it's three towers.
All this time, cell phone function remained fine.
Like I said . . . people would listen to AM . . . if it had been made digital in early 2000's, again forget FM. David I was aware that KCBS is now on FM too.
the FCC gives an AM station a weak translator to show "they are trying to help AM " . . . baloney . . . at least AM should have been given a NEW BAND in early 2000 as I said, oh but wait there are no new frequencies for poor old AM . . . again baloney.
It is unfair to the broadcaster now on AM . . . where is the FCC, the NAB . . . maybe AM broadcasters got to complain LOUDLY and maybe FM broadcasters should help them.
Bet they will not.
Why can't FM, cell sites and "all the present AM broadcasters on a new band" help in the next big emergency, why just FM & cell.
Present AM broadcasters can help too, not with the low power FM translators they were tossed by the FCC, but with a clean powerful digital signal, if they were given the chance.
Al
OK, it is obvious that too many here feel that cell sites are better than radio stations, yes because you can play video games on your Smartphone and talk to your loved ones . . . if you can get a cell connection . . . yes a radio station can get damaged too but the more you have to offer people the better for people in emergencies. Think about it.
AM is getting mistreated, because they are too many people that don't care about AM radio , like I said AM should go DIGITAL and be welcomed by FM & cell phone companies to the team.
But nope . . . remember the FCC, the NAB, selfish FM broadcasters, cell phone companies and other companies.
Yes, they can all get damaged but the more the better in an emergency.
Al
AM is getting mistreated, because they are too many people that don't care about AM radio , like I said AM should go DIGITAL and be welcomed by FM & cell phone companies to the team.
But nope . . . remember the FCC, the NAB, selfish FM broadcasters, cell phone companies and other companies.
Yes, they can all get damaged but the more the better in an emergency.
Al
Only if hundreds of millions of people all replaced their old AM radios with the new digital radios. That's assuming a lot.
That requires the laws to be changed, and you see how difficult it is to get politicians to agree on anything.
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