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TS/Hurricane Idalia thread

Has the FCC ever allowed a boost in signal in the event of a weather or other emergency?
Stations in the past have frequently gone non-directional or used day power at night during emergencies. That does not need prior authorization, but there has to be post-event justification if the use of such facilities is questioned. However, I never saw such cases questioned.

DXers for decades have found lots of AM stations on at night with daytime or non-DA signals and made plenty of catches that way. Same with situations like floods, fires, tornadoes, etc. Back in the early 60's I likely logged more than 200 stations on with emergency facilities. In most cases, they were daytimers on at night.
 
What part of Florida is "unlivable"? Much of the Big Bend is sparsely populated, but it is not any more unlivable than Tallahassee or Live Oak or Lake City.

Have you ever lived in that area? I have.
The Everglades? Did you live in a Swamp? Most people prefer not to. The Big Bend is sparsely populated for a reason. Parts of Georgia also have swamps that aren't ideal for housing.

This storm could also cause problems for Tampa Bay. A lot of people live in that area...
 
The Everglades? Did you live in a Swamp? Most people prefer not to. The Big Bend is sparsely populated for a reason. Parts of Georgia also have swamps that aren't ideal for housing.
The Everglades are down in far South Florida. Please take a geography lesson. The Everglades are about 340 miles "as the carrier flies" from Tallahassee.

I ran stations in Lake City and Tallahassee and drove the area a lot, including some weekend sports (fishing and camping). While there are some of the coastal areas that are a bit nasty due to lack of development, there are no Everglades zones much north of the Belle Glade area.

There are some swampy areas in flat riverbeds in SW Georgia (Inspiration for Alan Jackson's "Chatahoochie" I think) but nothing like the immense area of the Glades.
This storm could also cause problems for Tampa Bay. A lot of people live in that area...
It could, in low lying areas subject to tidal surge. But the current track seems to be aimed north of the Tampa metro and East/Southeast of Tallahassee. There is not a heck of a lot on the coast in the dead center of the Big Bend.
 
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The Everglades are down in far South Florida. Please take a geography lesson. The Everglades are about 340 miles from Tallahassee.

I ran stations in Lake City and Tallahassee and drove the area a lot, including some weekend sports (fishing and camping). While there are some of the coastal areas that are a bit nasty due to lack of development, there are no Everglades zones much north of the Belle Glade area.

There are some swampy areas in flat riverbeds in SW Georgia (Inspiration for Alan Jackson's "Chatahoochie" I think) but nothing like the immense area of the Glades.

It could, in low lying areas subject to tidal surge. But the current track seems to be aimed north of the Tampa metro and East/Southeast of Tallahassee. There is not a heck of a lot on the coast in the dead center of the Big Bend.
You asked what part of Florida was unlivable. Do you get it yet? Yeah, I know where the Everglades are and aced geography.

The impact of this storm is expected to extend inland.
Valdosta Georgia, Charleston SC and many other areas will be affected. People blame the media for "hype" but still moan and bitch in the aftermath. It's pretty tiresome...
 
You asked what part of Florida was unlivable. Do you get it yet? Yeah, I know where the Everglades are and aced geography.
I was talking about the Big Bend area, not "any part of Florida". Again you are putting words in other poster's statements.

The Big Bend is the area between, in most people's minds, Apalachicola and Cedar Key. Inland it extends to Tallahasse, Lake City and, maybe, Ocala.
The impact of this storm is expected to extend inland.
It will extend all the way up the Atlantic Coast to the Carolinas if it follows any of the predicted courses. But once hurricanes hit land, they degrade to Tropical Storms or less almost instantly. How many declared hurricanes have you been through? My count is over 20.
Valdosta Georgia, Charleston SC and many other areas will be affected. People blame the media for "hype" but still moan and bitch in the aftermath. It's pretty tiresome...
The subject here is preparedness and media coverage. People will ignore every kind of hazard, and there is no cure for stupid.

Valdosta is more than 60 miles from the coast. The storm will hit them as a Tropical Storm with moderate winds and lots of rain.

I witnessed a category 4 hurricane go to a category 1 storm in just 35 land miles on one occasion. Hitting land is mortal to hurricanes.
 
Tbolt909- as I recall the inland Big Bend area is mostly pine type forest or swamp. Not interesting to me. It is high elevation and will not receive storm surge. Only low lying areas within a few miles of the shore or a river will receive storm surge. The swamp may flood, but that happens from time to time anyway.

As David said hurricane wind speed quickly declines when onshore. What's left are heavy rains, violent thunderstorms, squalls and sometimes tornadoes. This is what causes most inland damage. Many inland structures and infrastructure have little margin, and a good storm will cause damage that overwhelms resources.

Recently it took a utility here in Maryland nearly 24 hours to restore power after what seemed to me like a routine Florida thunderstorm. New houses here are fragile toy-like things.

As I understand it, Houston flooding during Harvey was caused by poor drainage planning and infrastructure.
Rain. Not storm surge. Galveston Bay can convey any flood water to the ocean, but the water has to get to it.

Same thing in Florida, the storm surge flows right back out to the sea from which it came.
 
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Tbolt909- as I recall the inland Big Bend area is mostly pine type forest or swamp. Not interesting to me. It is high elevation and will not receive storm surge. Only low lying areas within a few miles of the shore or a river will receive storm surge. The swamp may flood, but that happens from time to time anyway.
And that forest and swampland is uninhabited. Some of the forests are owned by paper companies, but they don't generally have permanent crews there.
As David said hurricane wind speed quickly declines when onshore. What's left are heavy rains, violent thunderstorms, squalls and sometimes tornadoes. This is what causes most inland damage. Many inland structures and infrastructure have little margin, and a good storm will cause damage that overwhelms resources.
And the more usual effects are flooding due to poor drainage planning. We just had a major Tropical Storm come through The Desert (Coachella Valley for outsiders) and all the flooding was caused by poor planning, zoning and permits that should not have been given.

If you take 20 or 30 acres and make a development, you cover about 50% of each lot with a foundation for a home. Then you pave the driveway, lay down tile or concrete in the patio and put in a pool and put a block wall around each lot. The land with natural absorption and drainage now has only about 20% absorbent soil and poor drainage. If no landfill was done, each lot is at street level and will flood with 1" of rain.
As I understand it, Houston flooding during Harvey was caused by poor drainage planning and infrastructure.
Yes, my daughter drove around later and said that huge areas became lakes due to no drainage or poor drainage. She thought all the flooded areas were caused by bad zoning and planning.
Rain. Not storm surge. Galveston Bay can convey any flood water to the ocean, but the water has to get to it.
And in Houston, they built lakes, not drains.
 
What part of Florida is "unlivable"? Much of the Big Bend is sparsely populated, but it is not any more unlivable than Tallahassee or Live Oak or Lake City.

Have you ever lived in that area? I have.
I'm guessing that he feels too many country stations makes any area unlivable.
 
I'm guessing that he feels too many country stations makes any area unlivable.
I don't want to laugh at such a serious subject, but that did make me smile...
 
btw- in my neighborhood the electric utility has a transformer station at 7 foot site elevation about 700 feet from sea level water. Just across the road another street is under water during good King Tide event. The transformer is not elevated above grade.

They run intermediate and lower level three phase power on one wood pole. Twice now, during a storm a tree limb falls on the line, breaking the cross timbers, and the higher voltage wires contact the lower voltage wires. That makes things exciting.

The County has done a good job with their sewage pumping stations, they have generators and most sites are at least 11 feet above sea level, but no elevation of the generator and pump itself, it is on slab.

Elsewhere in the area a road runs at about one to two foot elevation to a small community. Wood pole single phase power service, with regular ground level boxes containing telecommunications. The boxes will have a foot of water regularly and be submerged in a good tropical storm. Apparently "the phone company" could not be bothered to elevate their boxes and amplifiers.
AM radio comes in perfectly there.

Above is not meant as a comment about climate, but rather a comment about infrastructure planning.
 
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Category 3 storm now, but will still be significant. FYI David -- Tallahassee expected to get hurricane force winds. Hurricanes weaken once they go over land, but they don't just disappear as you implied. During the Governor's press briefing power went off. At least he didn't tell Floridians to drink salt water (I don't think)...
 
The water temperature in the Gulf of Mexico is at an time high. These storms strengthen rapidly. This is the new norm...
Yet there have been storms like this at very extended intervals going back over a century. While warming is certainly a factor, this is not new to the Gulf Coast. Look at a number of websites that show the huge hurricanes that hit Tallahassee in the 1880s, for example.

A brief list of Florida Hurricanes long before severe global warming:+


A list of all the Category 3 and above: List of Florida hurricanes - Wikipedia
 
Category 3 storm now, but will still be significant. FYI David -- Tallahassee expected to get hurricane force winds. Hurricanes weaken once they go over land, but they don't just disappear as you implied. During the Governor's press briefing power went off. At least he didn't tell Floridians to drink salt water (I don't think)...
Hurricanes almost instantly drop in intensity when the eye hits land, dropping usually by about 3 grades within a distance equal to the radius of the eye. So when the "soft side" of the storm hits Tallahassee it will likely be right between a Category 1 and a Tropical Storm.

You really have to have lived through a number of these storms to have a feel for how to deal with them based on your location as no two are totally equal. Some of my family went through María in 2017 and the biggest issue was the loss of infrastructure such as power, cellular, phones, and any roadway that had a bridge. Some areas did not regain all services for 6 to 9 months. The narrow coast land flooded, and in many areas of the mountainous interior of the Island there were floods and road wash outs due to the inability of natural stream beds to take so much water. Illegal construction, typically the building of wooden second floors or extensions to legal reinforced concrete homes and buildings, was almost always damaged or destroyed, with the pieces being blown into power poles and windows and parked cars (PR does not have enclosed garages at single family homes and even apartments have open wall parking areas).

Puerto Rico, where I spent most of a period of 30 years (and worked "in transit" for over 50 years and have family), is just 3,000 square miles, about 85 miles wide by 35 miles from north to south.

Much of the time I lived about 15 miles inland in metro San Juan and storms hit from the south or southeast, and by the time they got the 20 to 35 miles from the entry point, they were down in strength by at least two categories. Since I lived at around 300 feet above sea level in a foothill region, never saw coastal flooding and never had destructive winds.

Again, Tallahassee, where I ran WTNT and WNLS for years, is a couple of hundred feet above sea level and the main issue will be flooding where poor city planning has not compensated for urbanization's destruction of natural drainage "systems".

Also, Tallahassee is on the western side of the eye, so the effect is vastly less severe than on the right side of the storm which continues to pick up ocean water until a while after what is left of the eye is totally inland.

The biggest area inland that will still get a fairly strong effect is Live Oak and Lake City. Neither area has good natural drainage, and is filled with lakes and ponds that will fill and overflow. Yes, I ran WDSR and its sister FM there years ago and even had a home in Lake City. Similarly, the area to the north towards Valdosta is flat and does not have the ability to drain rapidly. Otherwise, that area is quite isolated until Gainsville / Ocala to the south and Jax to the East.
 
Tallahassee iHeart stations are simulcasting Operation Stormwatch via WFLA/Tampa.
Can't get Valdosta streams to work - there may not be power.
Perry FL and Keaton Beach were in the eyewall when I woke up.
Devastating damage at Cedar Key. Also devastating damage in Perry, windows blown from stores and homes, McDonald's sign gone, oak trees down everywhere.

Normal programming on 93.3 and 103.1 in Tallahassee.
 
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I recognize the title is about radio operations during this event, but...

Has anyone thought to do a quick comparison between what's going out over the airwaves vs what level of effort might be happening _right now_ on social media in that area?

(Realizing of course that not all service providers may be accessible as the storm passes, but...seems to be the same issue that broadcasters might also have.)

Two is one, and one is none.
 
WXCV 95.3 Homosassa Springs (Citrus 95) was simulcasting Bay News 9 late last night BTW.

Horseshoe Bay had a several foot storm surge at landfall.

Very little information coming out of Perry's social media sites. Probably due to the entire town being out of power. Valdosta, too. There's a few Idalia groups that are active with some pictures.
 
Has anyone thought to do a quick comparison between what's going out over the airwaves vs what level of effort might be happening _right now_ on social media in that area?

It's a trending topic on twitter, for what that's worth. Social media is more individualized by definition, so people are posting their own personal pics of their situation.

 
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Stations in the past have frequently gone non-directional or used day power at night during emergencies. That does not need prior authorization, but there has to be post-event justification if the use of such facilities is questioned. However, I never saw such cases questioned.

DXers for decades have found lots of AM stations on at night with daytime or non-DA signals and made plenty of catches that way. Same with situations like floods, fires, tornadoes, etc. Back in the early 60's I likely logged more than 200 stations on with emergency facilities. In most cases, they were daytimers on at night.
When I was the Chief for WGTO-AM, Cypress Gardens, Florida, State officials requested that we remain at our 50,000 daytime power during a couple of hurricanes. We did. 50,000 watts at 540kHz was quite a potent signal back then.
I received DX reports from every single state in the continental United States..
 
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