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Buffalo Live and Local

And yet when one of the stations has, for whatever reason, an issue that's why radio and TV isn't any good? Which is it?
Check your memory. Here is my original post:
For all the heat radio takes for canned "live" updates, I just saw a 3-minute-long weather forecast on WKBW Ch. 7 that was FOUR days old!

I was pointing out that radio always gets criticized for canned "live and local", but here's an embarrassing blunder by a TV station doing the same thing.
 
Not me. The ONLY thing I care about in local TV news is weather. Everything else is a waste of time.

Most stations I watch do a few brief headlines, and go right to weather. They revisit the weather continuously through the cast.
I have a weather app that gives me all the details for weather in my zip code---or where I might be headed---and it's updated by the minute. I only go to the local TV news to see local news.
 
A friend was PD at a station in Little Rock. At a few minutes before 6 AM he got a call from the morning guy:

"It's Frank. When I was driving in, there was dead air. When I got here I found Billy in the chair and he was dead. Not sleeping, I mean really dead. No pulse, nothing. I called 911 and they are coming. What should I do?"

The PD said, "Then roll the chair out of the way and play a song! Then do the show, but DON'T talk about it".
This ↑
Only in radio. You can be dead, play some "'dead," but don't you dare have dead air.
Thanks for restoring levity to this thread, which had become "ponderous ... effin' ponderous." Is Don on the phone?
 
If you read my original post you'd see that I was pointing out that radio always gets criticized for canned "live and local", but here's an embarrassing blunder by a TV station doing the same thing.
Other than on this site, I've hardly seen any audience research that insists live and local is important to them. Listeners pretty much without fail just want a quality product. My formerly owned stations for years were 98% satellite-programmed. Occasionally someone would stop by the studio/offices by with a pie or cake for one of the jocks. When we told the pie listener who she heard was actually in Denver, the next question usually was to ask the address to send them the pie anyway. In other words, nobody cared because they liked the music and personalities.
 
Other than on this site, I've hardly seen any audience research that insists live and local is important to them. Listeners pretty much without fail just want a quality product. My formerly owned stations for years were 98% satellite-programmed. Occasionally someone would stop by the studio/offices by with a pie or cake for one of the jocks. When we told the pie listener who she heard was actually in Denver, the next question usually was to ask the address to send them the pie anyway. In other words, nobody cared because they liked the music and personalities.
My first radio job was in a medium market on the west coast. Being from the east coast I wasn't very familiar with some big names out west, including those who had syndicated national shows that weren't on where I grew up.

So when my first PD told me I'd be running the board for Rick Dees on the weekend, I was looking forward to meeting him.
 
About the only reason why I keep cable is to get the one good local TV operator's local newscasts. They cover news much better than the ultra-degraded newspaper, and the weather is very well done.
Sign of insanity or senility: answering your own posts!

Anyway... Palm Springs is one of the Sub-Top 100 markets where there is very very good local news coverage with the major station having 5 staff meteorologists and lots of in-depth new coverage including special reports. Because the market is very high on the average income lists, and full of retirees who still love cable, the station does really well.

And they have all the prime clients in this market: A/C service, plumbing, pools and patio remodels, interior design and furniture, plastic surgery, dental enhancement, estate planning attorneys, accident attorneys, window replacements, solar installation and maintenance, jewelers, jewelry sales for cash, insurance, health plans, high-end restaurants, golf carts, golf gear, cellular services, home maintenance services for snowbirds, cleaning services, high-end car services, travel services, etc. And car dealers, from KIA to Bentley dealers.

Our local Porsche dealer has a newer, bigger and nicer building than the Chevy dealer!
 
Apps are so impersonal. I'm entertained by the presentation and the video they show.

Not just the "entertainment," but the expertise of the meteorologist who explains what is causing the weather to be the way it is, and can show you the complete picture.

There are lots of people who want to understand that. You don't get it from an app. Especially not one that summarizes the whole day's weather with an icon of the sun half covered by a cloud, and one number for the temperature.
 
Since the thread is titled LIVE and Local and since they have four meteorologists according to their website, they could always just do all of their weather reports LIVE to avoid the screw up in the future.
 
Something no one’s mentioned yet is getting local news/weather from station YouTube pages, that’s how I like getting the forecast. Some stations here in KC sometimes do livestreams (separate from newscasts) that are really good too.
 
If I want a quick look at today's weather, I look at the app on my phone. If I want a more detailed forecast, or I want a more reliable, more detailed look at the upcoming weather, the local TV mets are a lot more informative and generally more accurate than the weather app. The National Weather Service site is the big daddy for info, but you need a pretty good background in meteorology to interpret something more than the basic forecast page. OTOH, the basic forecast page does give you really good spot forecasts for the extremely variable weather in locations in WNY. Those of us who live here understand that "lake effect" isn't just about snow in the winter, and wind direction and terrain can change forecasts for areas 20 miles apart significantly.
 
Other than on this site, I've hardly seen any audience research that insists live and local is important to them. Listeners pretty much without fail just want a quality product. My formerly owned stations for years were 98% satellite-programmed. Occasionally someone would stop by the studio/offices by with a pie or cake for one of the jocks. When we told the pie listener who she heard was actually in Denver, the next question usually was to ask the address to send them the pie anyway. In other words, nobody cared because they liked the music and personalities.
I had that happen once.....I call that my "I ain't the Wolfman" moment
 
While I was simply addressing a careless error by WKBW-TV/Centralcasting MC, I have actually believed for a long time that TV weather is often a huge waste of time---and that was well before smartphones. Weather forecast should be 10 seconds long and that's it. For some reason weather-people all like to show their work. They take 10 minutes explaining warm fronts and cold fronts and the satellite pic from space. ALL of it, unnecessary.

Unless exceptional weather conditions call for it, a weather forecast should be along the lines of: Partly cloudy tonight, low of 50. Mostly cloudy tomorrow, high of 65. Currently 53. Then throw up a slide with the 5-day forecast. Drop mic.

But I'm sure a consultant somewhere once told a station that the audience likes the weather explained to them in detail.
Yes, consultants did, and the ratings bore it out. Especially if the weather person was a well-known personality like Tom Jolls or Kevin O’Connell. Older people are weather junkies. And if weather could lead the show for any reason, that was a no-brainer.
 
Check your memory. Here is my original post:
For all the heat radio takes for canned "live" updates, I just saw a 3-minute-long weather forecast on WKBW Ch. 7 that was FOUR days old!

I was pointing out that radio always gets criticized for canned "live and local", but here's an embarrassing blunder by a TV station doing the same thing.
It’s just words, you know that!
 
I'm saying it may have been allowed to happen because there was nothing else in it's place during a holiday when there wasn't enough time to reach someone to fix it. It may have aired before someone caught it. I'm well aware of how Centralcasting MC works, considering I implemented the first ones in the country. One operator watching several stations on a holiday may not have been able to make the substitution in time. Big deal.

I'm sure someone over in the newsroom at WKBW likely heard there was an issue. What, you can't call over there to your contacts who likely knows what happened?

That's exactly my point as a potential reason. Someone determined there was an issue about the time it happened but there may have not been enough time to correct it by the next hit(s), assuming it aired more than once. When you have a tech running multiple stations in a hub, their eyes are bouncing around screens verifying things are all on the air. Audio consists of bouncing vertical VU meters. They're not paying attention to what some local weather person is saying about what days. WKBW is on the air, all is well.
I’ve been gone from 7 a long time. So they finally did it and pulled the plug on Master. I suppose they laid off the whole department.

My favorite story about the beginning of automation came from the idiot who was training us for whatever computer system was going to control new robotic cameras, rolling video, gfx etc. I asked the guy, “so this means there can no longer be any spontaneity in a newscast?”

He said, “Of course you can have spontaneity. As long as it’s planned.”

And that’s exactly when the entire industry went to hell.
 
Staff cuts? Yes, plenty - but at least here in western NY, weather staffs are the last thing to get cut. While the news reporters in the field churn every two years when contracts are up (and are lucky if they're making $22k along the way), the three chief meteorologists here in Rochester are all among the longest-tenured air talent at each shop, and I would bet they're paid better than most of the anchors.

I work holidays and sometimes weekends, and have literally never seen an example here in Rochester (market 80-ish) where any of the three stations hasn't had a live meteorologist during a show. There's always backup for vacation or illness. The Nexstar station, WROC, sometimes brings someone in from another market when staffing is short, but there's not a scenario where there's "nothing to fill the weather hole."

For what remains of the aging TV news audience here, weather is still incredibly important in these markets. It's been less than a year since the last mammoth storm that brought Buffalo to a halt. My guy at WKBW slept at the station during the worst of it, when it wasn't even possible to get to a nearby hotel on foot. If a WKBW (or WIVB or WGRZ) deliberately ran days-old forecasts the way you're suggesting, viewers in Buffalo absolutely would be voting with their remotes and going elsewhere.
Funny story about always having somebody there to do the weather - 6pm show one night, last minute, don’t remember the weatherman and don’t remember why he wasn’t there. They threw Bob Koshinski on the Wx set, much against his will. He was not taking the whole thing terribly seriously and had not one clue what he was talking about. Control was just flipping the gfx for him and he was just reading what was there. When the Jet Stream came up, Bob said something like “and here’s a big snake going across the country.”

High Comedy. Have to wonder if it’s on YouTube.
 
I’ve been gone from 7 a long time. So they finally did it and pulled the plug on Master. I suppose they laid off the whole department.
Usually that's how it works. I invented TV CentralCasting (MC Hub), so I'm pretty familiar with the end result. TV isn't a jobs program.
My favorite story about the beginning of automation came from the idiot who was training us for whatever computer system was going to control new robotic cameras, rolling video, gfx etc. I asked the guy, “so this means there can no longer be any spontaneity in a newscast?"
He said, “Of course you can have spontaneity. As long as it’s planned.”
Actually breaking news happens much faster in automation than traditional new production control environments. One doesn't need to assemble a control room with TD, graphics, playout, and audio people. A single trained Director can sit down and run a live newscast, including breaking live news with no rundown. I think what you heard, were some anticipatory macros that can be created in advance which can provide multiple functions in order with one button push. An example could be: Roll breaking intro with music, fade music, cue camera 1, take camera 1, raise mic. 1, take anchor lower third. Then, if you have a liveshot, a separate macro button according to the REM can be pressed and taken which can create an OTS behind the anchor, push the space bar and take the REM live with lower third.
I've personally been responsible for installation of 17 GVG Ignite! production systems, 5 Ross Overdrive, and one Sony. So I'm very familiar with the process from A to Z.
 
Actually breaking news happens much faster in automation than traditional new production control environments. One doesn't need to assemble a control room with TD, graphics, playout, and audio people.

The proof of that can be seen on YouTube and Twitter every day. I'm always amazed at how much impactful TV I see that I know is being done by untrained people, sometimes using only their phone. Same with music. One of the most talked about pieces of music released last year was recorded by a guy using his phone. No studio, no label, no promo department. This is what we're competing with, folks. The audience doesn't care about how many people are employed. They only care about the product.
 
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