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We shouldn't act like it's new either. CNN celebrated its 40th anniversary a few years ago. Don Henley sang about it in his song Dirty Laundry in the 80s. So an entire generation has grown up with this type of thing, and they're now old enough to be working in it. This is why we're in a lot of trouble, electing celebrities to government instead of public servants. In that way government has become just another show instead of what it was intended to be.
Ronald Reagan was a mediocre actor (Bedtime For Bonzo) in the 50s before becoming President. George Carlin had many valid observations on American politics that are still relevant. Americans are generally lazy and apathetic, so it's no wonder that the situation is grim.

The loss of newspapers and other reliable journalism sources is an ominous sign. You have millions of people who can't distinguish entertainment from reality...
 
We shouldn't act like it's new either. CNN celebrated its 40th anniversary a few years ago. Don Henley sang about it in his song Dirty Laundry in the 80s. So an entire generation has grown up with this type of thing, and they're now old enough to be working in it. This is why we're in a lot of trouble, electing celebrities to government instead of public servants. In that way government has become just another show instead of what it was intended to be.
Problem with Fox though, is they never really cared about accuracy or facts, whether available or not.
 
Ronald Reagan was a mediocre actor (Bedtime For Bonzo) in the 50s before becoming President. George Carlin had many valid observations on American politics that are still relevant. Americans are generally lazy and apathetic, so it's no wonder that the situation is grim.

The loss of newspapers and other reliable journalism sources is an ominous sign. You have millions of people who can't distinguish entertainment from reality...
The most disappointing part is that they don't even try to tell the difference. If the inaccurate story fits their narrative, that's all that matters.

You just know that Bauerle's "source" that claimed the car was "loaded to Neptune". was likely one of those loons he regularly gets his "inside info" from.
 
The most disappointing part is that they don't even try to tell the difference. If the inaccurate story fits their narrative, that's all that matters.
Rush Limbaugh didn't believe the rubbish he was spewing. He was a caracuture. He cared about making money. He never cared about the consequences and the irreparable damage he helped cause. Radio management went along because the money flowed in for a long time.

"A Face In The Crowd" with Andy Griffith is a great film that predicted all of this...
 
Ronald Reagan was a mediocre actor (Bedtime For Bonzo) in the 50s before becoming President.
And he was a hugely popular radio announcer and sportscaster in Iowa at the huge Palmer station, WHO. If you read his biographies, you see that he simply found a much more lucrative career in Hollywood, even if he was not ever going to be an "A" list actor.

Of course, we have to take into account that he joined "the studio system" where actors signed with one studio and the studio decided who worked on which films.

In the meantime, he became active with the union and was a very effective and respected leader of that worker's group; that is what got him noticed and on his way to being governor. He did what people from both parties would call a solid "B" grade job in that position.... one where getting that much broad acceptance in California is nearly impossible.

You are, as we have come to expect, "damning by faint praise". Anyone with any knowledge of the person and the era would consider Ronald Reagan to be much more than a "mediocre actor" with a reference to Bonzo.
George Carlin had many valid observations on American politics that are still relevant. Americans are generally lazy and apathetic, so it's no wonder that the situation is grim.
Unless there is a major issue, such as a war, a pandemic or a depression, most people in most of the world don't vote and don't become involved in political issue unless they are personally affected. In the most recent Argentine elections, where INFOBAE reports there was a 220% inflation rate 26% of registered electors did not vote despite a penalty for not voting!
The loss of newspapers and other reliable journalism sources is an ominous sign. You have millions of people who can't distinguish entertainment from reality...
Just because the news is not delivered on a piece of dead tree does not mean that there has been a deterioration in the news sector. In fact, the ability of the Internet and related systems like messaging, we can get more information faster and with greater detail than ever before.

I remember sitting during the evenings in my home office in Puerto Rico when the Gulf War broke out 32 years ago. I had just gotten cable in my neighborhood and I watched Wolf Blitzer and the CNN crew holding cameras above their heads in a hotel window as the bombs feel all around them.

We have new methods of gathering the news. And, just as over 125 years ago we had "yellow journalism" with created events like the explosion of the Maine and the "taking" of San Juan Hill were vastly exaggerated and glorified in 1989, we have lots of news site online that flavor the news. It's nothing new.
 
Rush Limbaugh didn't believe the rubbish he was spewing. He was a caracuture (sic). He cared about making money. He never cared about the consequences and the irreparable damage he helped cause. Radio management went along because the money flowed in for a long time.
You know that how? Every bit of evidence, down to little anecdotal stories, show that Limbaugh did indeed believe in what he said. And his followers don't think that he created "irreparable damage" despite thinking that he got some things wrong.

Station owners and managers felt that lots of listeners would enjoy the show and many advertisers would want to be part of it. Having "money flowing in" is the reason that over 12,000 radio stations in the U.S. exist. When my first station billed less than $50 in each of its first 6 months on the air, you had better believe that I wanted nothing more than some "money flowing in".
 
You know that how? Every bit of evidence, down to little anecdotal stories, show that Limbaugh did indeed believe in what he said.
Whether he believed it or not is irrelevant. You're right, Limbaugh got many things wrong. When Alex Jones calls the slaughter of the children at Sandy Hook a "Hoax", something is seriously wrong. I don't respect people that defend the vile invective that these type of hosts regularly spew forth.

To clarify, the reference to Reagan was in response to Big A. He was talking about actors becoming politicians. Reagan certainly had credibility (and flaws) by the time he became President. He was far more qualified than the leading Republican candidate today. I'll leave it there as this is not the Political section of this website...
 
It appears my initial pondering about WBEN has opened the floodgates here.

The demise of WBEN as a news source is a telling tragedy. Many posters here may remember the halcyon years of WBEN when the newscaster giving credit to the person at the editor's desk at the end of each well-articulated top of the hour newscast, "...with John Doe at the Editor's Desk, I'm Lou Douglas, WBEN radio news."

I was on the road when the crash at the Rainbow Bridge occurred. First news came from my smart phone from a family member who knew of my destination. The platform formerly known as Twitter then gave me notifications from CNN, CBS, CNBC and ABC News.

After reading the first three notifications, I tuned in the CNN channel on Sirius-XM and listened attentively. There were questions posed about the cause of the crash. CNN wisely brought in Wolfe Blitzer, a highly respected journalist who up in the Buffalo suburb of Kenmore. One of the first things Blitzer said was, "It's too early to know and we cannot speculate..." He gave a background about crossing the US-Canadian border in Western New York, recalling an era when crossing the Peace, Rainbow, Whirlpool and Lewiston-Queenston bridges was almost as easy as driving from Buffalo to Hamburg on the Skyway save for a stop at the customs booth on the Canadian side of the bridges: "Citizen of? How long will you be in Canada? Destination?" Crystal Beach and Sherkston in the summertime? Fort Erie 'for Chinese'? The Canadian ballet?

Blitzer cautioned that there were more unknowns than knowns (recalling Donald Rumsfeld's "known unknowns") and his presence seemed to temper the reporting. For the next thirty minutes, CNN anchors applied Blitzer's well-measured approach. Tuning later to the Fox News channel on Sirius/XM, the contrast was blunt. Anchors were nearly gleefully howling, "Terrorism!" I turned to my companion and said, "These fools are wish-casting to play to their base." One Fox News reporter said the Rainbow Bridge was "in Buffalo." That was soon amended to "near Buffalo," then further and correctly amended to "in Niagara Falls." You'd expect better, even from Fox, which has a respectable news division. It's their talk show hosts who do the disporting.

According to posters here, to the experienced professionals that I talked to days after the event, and from Pergament's Buffalo News account, WBEN had limited resources to cover the event. Such irony: WBEN stands for Buffalo Evening News, which once owned WBEN-AM 930, WBEN-FM 102.5 and WBEN-TV Channel 4.

WBEN last year received due credit for covering the Snow-vember '22 storm and the Christmas '22 blizzard; but that's yesterday's news and yesterday's accolades. A responsible print or electronic news outlet is only as good as its most recent reporting and news coverage, whether by the news department oir talk show hosts. Bauerle and Ballavia are so deeply steeped in the MAGA mindset that they instinctively think and speak MAGA bullspit. Their fans and WBEN management will offer the "They're entertainers" defense, which is an utterly vapid excuse. It was Rush Limbaugh's primary defense. "He's an entertainer!" Of course, that particularly defense went down the tubes when Rush began braying that he was "America's anchorman." The "entertainer" defense is patently irresponsible. It's a false license to lie.

It cannot be had both ways. In journalism when incidents such as the Rainbow Bridge tragedy occur, it can be had only ONE way. The objective, factual, truthful way. Even "entertainers" have a responsibility to be objective in times such as these and act accordingly.
 
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Rush Limbaugh didn't believe the rubbish he was spewing. He was a caracuture. He cared about making money. He never cared about the consequences and the irreparable damage he helped cause. Radio management went along because the money flowed in for a long time.

"A Face In The Crowd" with Andy Griffith is a great film that predicted all of this...
Tru 'dat.
 
You know that how? Every bit of evidence, down to little anecdotal stories, show that Limbaugh did indeed believe in what he said.
Yes, he was just a colossal hypocrite who regularly cut the corners of square facts to fit them in round holes. Disingenuousness and dishonesty at it's finest.

And his followers don't think that he created "irreparable damage" despite thinking that he got some things wrong.
Using Limbaugh's audience as a barometer for any reality check is a fool's errand.
 
Bauerle and Ballavia are so deeply steeped in the MAGA mindset that they instinctively think and speak MAGA bullspit. Their fans and WBEN management will offer the "They're entertainers" defense, which is an utterly vapid excuse. It was Rush Limbaugh's primary defense. "He's an entertainer!" Of course, that particularly defense went down the tubes when Rush began braying that he was "America's anchorman." The "entertainer" defense is patently irresponsible. It's a false license to lie.
I've heard many hosts at times refer to themselves as "journalists" or not correct a caller who refers to them as that---and I've heard many of those same hosts defend their hyperbole and mistakes using the "entertainer" excuse.

FACT is, the LISTENER almost always gives a large degree of authority to whoever's voice is coming out of that radio. And make no mistake about it, these hosts KNOW that. They just choose to hide behind their job description when it serves them.
 
Just because the news is not delivered on a piece of dead tree does not mean that there has been a deterioration in the news sector. In fact, the ability of the Internet and related systems like messaging, we can get more information faster and with greater detail than ever before.
I would disagree with that assessment. Anyone can write a blog or do a podcast. That doesn't mean they have any talent, credibility, or journalistic skills. Accuracy is more important than speed. Unfortunately, attention spans have eroded. Many people aren't willing to read an in depth article (There are also fewer people who can actually write and spell to deliver a thoughtful fact based story).

Newspapers and Radio are operating with extremely limited staff. Many here would likely agree that the quality has deteriorated...
 
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Just because the news is not delivered on a piece of dead tree does not mean that there has been a deterioration in the news sector. In fact, the ability of the Internet and related systems like messaging, we can get more information faster and with greater detail than ever before.

I remember sitting during the evenings in my home office in Puerto Rico when the Gulf War broke out 32 years ago. I had just gotten cable in my neighborhood and I watched Wolf Blitzer and the CNN crew holding cameras above their heads in a hotel window as the bombs feel all around them.

We have new methods of gathering the news. And, just as over 125 years ago we had "yellow journalism" with created events like the explosion of the Maine and the "taking" of San Juan Hill were vastly exaggerated and glorified in 1989, we have lots of news site online that flavor the news. It's nothing new.
It ain't the medium, it's the media, David. Along with the plethora of new delivery systems is huge increase in misinformation and disinformation. It's also the decline in journalism in favor of "storytelling" and offering "context" without labeling opinion as such. It's very difficult to tell news from op-ed content these days. The days of Joe Friday's "Just the facts, ma'am" are long gone on every level of infotainment, which the "news" business has devolved into. In the long run, the confusing mass of information delivered from the multitude of sources that vehemently disagree with each other leads to news fatigue. Fatigue leads people to find a few sources that generally agree with their own world view and consumers rely on those sources, tuning out anybody who doesn't agree with them.

For every Rush Limbaugh there's a Rachel Maddow. Both are/were propagandists who distorted information to reinforce their own world view. At least Colbert doesn't pretend to be a purveyor of news content, but he ain't no Johnny Carson who at least tried to be respectful of those who held different political positions.
 
I would disagree with that assessment. Anyone can write a blog or do a podcast. That doesn't mean they have any talent, credibility, or journalistic skills. Accuracy is more important than speed. Unfortunately, attention spans have eroded. Many people aren't willing to read an in depth article (There are also fewer people who can actually write and spell to deliver a thoughtful fact based story).

Newspapers and Radio are operating with extremely limited staff. Many here would likely agree that the quality has deteriorated...
Problem really is, that there are a million different detours away from the truth now. Times New Roman font reads the same on the AP or Washington Post's site as it does on Breitbart or World Net Daily. People are finding the "facts" they like.

Funny thing, whenever you debate those who call out the traditional mainstream media (the dreaded MSM), if you ask them where they get THEIR info and news, more likely than not you will get equivocation and avoidance. They often know "their sources" of info are sketchy and dubious at best, so they won't name them----but that MSM, you can't trust them!
 
Problem really is, that there are a million different detours away from the truth now. Times New Roman font reads the same on the AP or Washington Post's site as it does on Breitbart or World Net Daily. People are finding the "facts" they like.

Funny thing, whenever you debate those who call out the traditional mainstream media (the dreaded MSM), if you ask them where they get THEIR info and news, more likely than not you will get equivocation and avoidance. They often know "their sources" of info are sketchy and dubious at best, so they won't name them----but that MSM, you can't trust them!
The criticism of MSM is part of the "Victim Culture". Weather Forecasters can tell people about an upcoming Hurricane or Blizzard. Inevitably, after it happens some will say "You didn't warn me". Other people think the reason their life sucks is because someone from Mexico is doing landscaping or picking lettuce in the hot sun. "That guy is why I'm not married to a Super Model and living in a mansion. He took a job I didn't want ".

There's no shortage of illogic among the masses...
 
We're teetering on politics here, but as it relates to the very deceased Rush Limbaugh and the very living conservative talk show hosts, especially the local Rush mini-mes, this quote appears most relevant, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." -Lyndon Johnson
 
Was reminded of this thread as I read this article talking about the funding issues in news coverage:


One can't discuss radio news coverage without considering the budget. And we all know it's gotten smaller.
 
A well-deserved slip, IMHO. With my beloved WBFO failing so much in the past year, I started listening more than I had in years to WBEN. As has been written on this board and elsewhere, WBEN excelled with its response to the paralyzing blizzard last Christmas. Through the rest of winter, spring, summer and early fall, I listened to WBEN at least once a day. The morning show interviews were always of interest and enlightening. Plus, Tom Puckett’s hourly newscasts and his 6pm show were informative. Then came the day before Thanksgiving. I was out-of-town when word broke of an explosion on the Rainbow Bridge. I went to the Audacy app on my iPhone and listened to WBEN’s coverage that afternoon. It was an utter disaster with what turned out to be outlandish misinformation. I wrote about it on my Substack, and the Buffalo News’ Alan Pergament followed up with a devastating critique of Tom Bauerle and David Bellevia. I was somewhat surprised that WBEN’s failings that afternoon were not acknowledged on this board. But your posting, Rusty, prompted me to respond here. WBEN lost all credibility with me after that. I haven’t listened to WBEN since. I’m now actually listening a couple of times each day to all-news WCBS on Alexa. At the very least, Audacy hasn’t screwed up that station yet.
I keep promoting Toronto's CityNews 680 on here, and it's not a bad backup. You can't really listen to it on an app or online, but if you use RadioGarden CityNews is there(it's about a minute or two behind, however).
 
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I keep promoting Toronto's CityNews 680 on here, and it's not a bad backup. You can't really listen to it on an app or online, but if you use RadioGarden CityNews is there(it's about a minute or two behind, however).
From time to time tune to 680 CFTR on the radio to hear what's going on in the highly diverse Toronto Metro (population 6+MM), hear traffic reports on the 401, study their news clock, and to hear truly major market news broadcasters and journalists who don't say "impor-int," (important) "Tie-ins," (Titans, as in Tennessee, or Remember The) "real-a-tor" (realtor) and "jew-lury" (jewelry.)

They do however say "leftenant," "shed-yule," "taken to hospital" and "on holl-iday" ... but that's a delightful Canada thing.
 
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