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2024 Format Change Predictions

Nothing will change in 2024
Besides 92.7
I agree.

As much as I would like to see some sort of return of something KABL or KFRC like, I have to concede that it'll never happen here.

It could and apparently has elsewhere in recent years (Fresno got KYNO, which signed on with it's classic Drake-era oldies format in 2021 and KEJB Eureka signed on with it's oldies format I think last year, to name a couple of examples), so it is still possible for "new" oldies stations to come on the air (and on AM, no less, though KEJB does have an FM translator. Does KYNO have a translator?), if there's a demand for it (apparently in SF there isn't).

That said, again, I'm highly doubtful anything like this will happen in SF. Odds are, if anything does happen other than the KREV/KEXP deal on 92.7, we'll get yet another Indian Punjabi station (RIP, KVIN 920, probably one of my most favorite oldies stations, because of it's smooth, KABL-like sound, plus I could actually hear it in the daytime in summer because it was somewhat close (Modesto isn't terribly far from here as the crow flies (relative to Eureka and Fresno!), and stations from there often come in reasonably well) or some other such thing (the market is saturated with Spanish formats, so I doubt we'll see more of those). Either that, or we'll get yet another religious preaching station.

In short, nothing exciting, if it happens at all (in all likelihood, it won't). The SF radio market bores me out of my mind with its lack of variety (I'm sure there are other smaller markets that are worse, but it's pretty bad for a major Top 20 market, in my opinion).

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I think the closes you get from KABL is I think 98.1 the Breeze

Even know I'm a 80 Kid, I listen to KOSF, But iHeart might lean more on 90's stuff

KGO might go FM, But where?

But, might not even happen at all, Just a thought
 
KITS is doing so well because there's not a lot else that's interesting on the San Francisco FM dial. (The programming coming from NPR over KQED notwithstanding.) Also because the original Gen X listeners to Live 105 are still willing to listen to it. (The Millennials and Gen Z's, not so much.)
KITS spans Gen Z and Millennials too. Rock is a huge format that spans all races and ages, outside of those maybe 50-60+. And Live 105 not being afraid to play a lot of modern rock, indie rock and alternative rock all on one station is truly the only thing us young listeners have that isn’t Rap or CHR. It’s refreshing.
 
I think the closes you get from KABL is I think 98.1 the Breeze

Even know I'm a 80 Kid, I listen to KOSF, But iHeart might lean more on 90's stuff

KGO might go FM, But where?

But, might not even happen at all, Just a thought
KGO FM? If you’re talking about the Sports Betting, no chance.
 
The SF radio market bores me out of my mind with its lack of variety (I'm sure there are other smaller markets that are worse, but it's pretty bad for a major Top 20 market, in my opinion).

Lack of variety? The only commercial format missing in SF that exists in other Top 20s is country.
 
Meh…it’s looking more and more like KEXP will be signing on at 92.7 next year.

Don’t know if “the Hustle” will move with the antenna at the end of the year or if 92.7 will go dark until the sale is consummated.
A member of KEXP staff posted in the "KEXP buys KREV" thread that, if I'm reading it correctly, indicates that "The Hustle" will make the move and will continue on the channel until KEXP is ready to program the station.

Not sure what "The Hustle's" business model is, though. I listened to about as much of it as I could stand* last week and there was no indication of any kind of commercial activity.

(* yeah, I know, 66-year-old white guys with advanced college degrees aren't the station's target audience. I did record a quarter-hour of it for posterity, though.)
 
The SF radio market bores me out of my mind with its lack of variety (I'm sure there are other smaller markets that are worse, but it's pretty bad for a major Top 20 market, in my opinion).
Face it, the kinds of people who made the Bay Area interesting have largely gone - the artists, the artisans, the people who weren't in it just for the money. As I reflect on the nearly quarter-century that I spent there, it seems that I caught the tail end of a time when there was a diversity of people and interests with interests in cultural exploration and open-mindedness. What's there now is a tech monoculture. There were a couple of pauses, first with the 2001 crash that wiped out many of the first wave of startups, then with the 2008 great recession. But the tech start-up mentality of monomaniacal focus on some business proposition or another in hopes of striking it rich came back stronger than ever. Costs went ever higher. Non-tech people first found some refuge in the East Bay, but with so much money sloshing around in San Francisco and Silicon Valley, some of that money made its way to the East Bay, too. I overheard far too many conversations from people talking about their start-up, their funding rounds, and their financial exit strategies. It wasn't just that, though - commutes became increasingly arduous and just time-consuming.

In 2019, during yet another BART commute into the city where social distancing (a term we didn't know then) consisted of being six inches apart from your fellow riders, I remember thinking to myself, "this way of life isn't sustainable." The pandemic caused another pause, but, aside from much-reduced BART ridership for reasons we won't get into here, that nose-to-the-grindstone, culture-free way of life seems to have come roaring back. I don't understand it. It now seems to be a chasing of fads - cryptocurrency last year, AI this year, and something else in 2024.

Is it little surprise, then, that Bay Area media reflected that narrowing of interests? The interesting, quirky people either adapted or left, and what remains are people with tastes and desires connected directly to the hopes of striking it rich with their start-up (when the reality really is that only the venture capitalists ultimately win, and maybe a few founders, but ordinary employees? .... nah!), and who don't have much cognitive capacity available for anything other than their generation's equivalent of background music.

It's not all tech monoculture, but you have to know where to look. It ain't south of Market, that's for sure. So on Friday, I was walking in North Beach, at the corner of Columbus and Broadway, waiting for a traffic light to change, on my way to the City Lights bookstore. As I waited, I heard music that was at once both familiar and unfamiliar. It came from eight musicians, playing classical Chinese instruments.

They were playing "Jingle Bells".

That's the kind of thing you would hear nowhere else but San Francisco. The core of the city still exists; you have to know where to look for it. Radio won't help you find it; stations are going to try to appeal to the broadest masses possible. Right now in San Francisco and the Bay Area, that means appealing to the technology monoculture and its lack of interest in anything that doesn't offer the prospect of riches.
 
Face it, the kinds of people who made the Bay Area interesting have largely gone - the artists, the artisans, the people who weren't in it just for the money.

I agree. Whatever happened to the Bammies? I know they did a reunion in 2018, but no news since then.

My hope is that the arrival of KEXP will attract whatever artist community still exists and give it attention. That's what they've done in Seattle.
 
My hope is that the arrival of KEXP will attract whatever artist community still exists and give it attention. That's what they've done in Seattle.
It's going to be a tough task ... and I hadn't even gotten into the older Boomers, who bought property on the cheap, who hold onto it and fight any attempt at all to bring in more housing, especially of the multi-family variety (look up "the zucchini lady" for a notable example). Even well-paid tech workers have challenges finding a place to live.

The Ghost Ship fire in Oakland, where artists living and working in an unsanctioned but tolerated substandard warehouse workspace perished, was a horrific example of how these cross-currents have manifested themselves...in that particular case, with tragic results.
 
KITS is doing so well because there's not a lot else that's interesting on the San Francisco FM dial. (The programming coming from NPR over KQED notwithstanding.) Also because the original Gen X listeners to Live 105 are still willing to listen to it. (The Millennials and Gen Z's, not so much.)

I'm a Millennial and I listen to Live 105 quite often. Those of us who grew up during the late 90's and early 00's spent a good deal of time listening to that station; at least, those of us who liked rock.
 
I'm a Millennial and I listen to Live 105 quite often. Those of us who grew up during the late 90's and early 00's spent a good deal of time listening to that station; at least, those of us who liked rock.
Okay, admittedly I'm an older Boomer, in my 70s now, so Live 105 isn't my cup of hemlock. But is what you (and @Radiopaw) say true for Millennials generally, or mostly for the older part of your cohort? There's a noticeable difference between the Boomers who were born before the mid-1950s and the ones from about that point onward. I'd think Millennials have a similar dichotomy. Is that right, or am I offbase on this?
 
Okay, admittedly I'm an older Boomer, in my 70s now, so Live 105 isn't my cup of hemlock. But is what you (and @Radiopaw) say true for Millennials generally, or mostly for the older part of your cohort? There's a noticeable difference between the Boomers who were born before the mid-1950s and the ones from about that point onward. I'd think Millennials have a similar dichotomy. Is that right, or am I offbase on this?
I’m the oldest ”part” of Gen Z, 25. It’s pretty common. A few of my friends still listen to radio and came back from satellite when 105.3 came back. It doesn’t matter the race either - some have claimed Rock is a “white” genre but I sure haven’t seen that.

That being said, yes. Rock is VERY popular. If we want any somewhat modern rock we have to listen to 105 or go online, a ton of markets get classic rock and modern rock which is nice when it’s sometimes a modern flip, and some large markets even get mostly modern rock with some golds.

It’s surprising to me how absent it was before this.
 
I was walking in North Beach, at the corner of Columbus and Broadway, waiting for a traffic light to change, on my way to the City Lights bookstore. As I waited, I heard music that was at once both familiar and unfamiliar. It came from eight musicians, playing classical Chinese instruments.
They were playing "Jingle Bells".

That's the kind of thing you would hear nowhere else but San Francisco.
Mark, that's a perfect illustration of San Francisco's charm. And one reason why people pay millions to live there.

It's also worth mentioning City Lights is a cultural landmark, and in the heart of the 'hood where San Francisco "beat" culture originated (short for "beatniks," later called hippies). Ground Zero for a movement that ended up changing the world, for better or worse.
 
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Looking forward to KEXP's new format. I miss a previous attempt at interesting Bay Area radio: K-PIG 1510.

I know it was just re-broadcasting a Central Coast FM, the AM signal from Oakland wasn't great, and the repeater only lasted a year or two. But at least the playlist was unlike anything else. Kinda traditional country, kinda early rock, all over the map.

The station is still on the air in Monterey and San Luis Obispo. And for those who argue it will never find commercial success, I'll just re-print a quote from their website: Station Info Freedom, CA KPIG FM 107.5 (KPIG.COM): "in spite of having perhaps the worst signal in the area, we're frequently rated #1 in our market (in Adults 25-54)."
 
Looking forward to KEXP's new format. I miss a previous attempt at interesting Bay Area radio: K-PIG 1510.

I know it was just re-broadcasting a Central Coast FM, the AM signal from Oakland wasn't great, and the repeater only lasted a year or two. But at least the playlist was unlike anything else. Kinda traditional country, kinda early rock, all over the map.

The station is still on the air in Monterey and San Luis Obispo. And for those who argue it will never find commercial success, I'll just re-print a quote from their website: Station Info Freedom, CA KPIG FM 107.5 (KPIG.COM): "in spite of having perhaps the worst signal in the area, we're frequently rated #1 in our market (in Adults 25-54)."
KPIG's 1510 repeater had the crappiest of crappy signal on an already-crappy frequency. Their directional antenna array was located on the roof of some nondescript industrial building in Oakland's concrete jungle, without (IIRC) any real ground system. With my GE Superadio I could pull in a weak signal on the southern peninsula, but the built-in antenna needed to be oriented j.u.s.t...r.i.g.h.t. They could have had the best music selection in California and they still wouldn't have had a chance. The signal from their Monterey (technically "Freedom") mother ship may be the worst in the area, but I've been able to pull it in when driving around in South San Jose, and it's an easy grab in almost any car on the Monterey peninsula.
 
KPIG's 1510 repeater had the crappiest of crappy signal on an already-crappy frequency. Their directional antenna array was located on the roof of some nondescript industrial building in Oakland's concrete jungle, without (IIRC) any real ground system.
It was a move-in from San Rafael, the old KTIM, giving Piedmont, which has few businesses other than wealth-management offices, first primary service. The four towers are on the roof of a warehouse just east of Mandela Parkway and Grand Avenue in Oakland. For a signal that should, in theory, be aimed at Piedmont, day or night, it was surprisingly anemic at night at my old location, which was just a couple of miles from Piedmont.

A lot of maneuvering went into that one - including Spokane's KGA giving up class A status - which ultimately felt like an efficient approach at burning money.

With my GE Superadio I could pull in a weak signal on the southern peninsula, but the built-in antenna needed to be oriented j.u.s.t...r.i.g.h.t. They could have had the best music selection in California and they still wouldn't have had a chance. The signal from their Monterey (technically "Freedom") mother ship may be the worst in the area, but I've been able to pull it in when driving around in South San Jose, and it's an easy grab in almost any car on the Monterey peninsula.
If I recall correctly, the KPIG AM simulcast was just on for a couple of years, with a break. It always felt like a placeholder to me. I'm sure we talked about it on ba.broadcast at the time.

I know KPIG has some die-hard fans, but I could take it or leave it. The Cayucos repeater didn't cover all of San Luis Obispo county - for example, I could only get a weak signal in Paso Robles.
 
That's the kind of thing you would hear nowhere else but San Francisco. The core of the city still exists; you have to know where to look for it. Radio won't help you find it; stations are going to try to appeal to the broadest masses possible. Right now in San Francisco and the Bay Area, that means appealing to the technology monoculture and its lack of interest in anything that doesn't offer the prospect of riches.

Ten years ago, I came home to Northern California.

I last lived here 36 years earlier, but the first seven of those years away was in Reno, so I was back here a lot. After the move to Las Vegas (1984) and Phoenix (1986), not so much---usually flying in to cover news stories, and I hadn't done that since 1998.

So, in the late fall of 2013, after a week or so home, I was about to take my then-girlfriend, now wife, who had never left NorCal, to San Francisco for dinner.

I was wearing a coat and tie when I came to pick her up.

"Mike...aren't you a bit....overdressed?"

"We're going to dinner in San Francisco."

"Yeah....okay, it's been a while. You're going to see a lot of people in jeans and hoodies tonight. Those are the millionaires."

I still love San Francisco. It's hard to think of a city in a place with more natural beauty. But I have absolutely had to re-calibrate. And now that I've been fortunate enough to visit Paris twice, my metrics have changed drastically in terms of experience.
 
I still love San Francisco. It's hard to think of a city in a place with more natural beauty. But I have absolutely had to re-calibrate. And now that I've been fortunate enough to visit Paris twice, my metrics have changed drastically in terms of experience.
Couple of things:
There's a really stupid movie from 1958 called The Line-Up, based upon a TV series that aired in the 1950s on CBS and in syndication (the syndicated episodes were titled San Francisco Beat). The plot is dumb and the acting doesn't do anything to save it. It has one redeeming virtue: it was filmed in San Francisco. The scenery alone is worth it, even in black-and-white. The movie ends in a chase on the ramps south of Market leading the Embarcadero Freeway, then still under construction. The dramatic tension comes when the chase-ee runs out of ramp and has to stop with nowhere to go. From having worked in the area for about 20 years, my guesstimate is that those ramps were around Main & Folsom, near or even on the lot that was used as the temporary Transbay Terminal when the new one was being built in the 2010s.

The other thing - if you like Paris, I think you'll love Lyon. An amazing setting, great food, and people are very welcoming.
 
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