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WLVL now simulcasting WEBR

Mostly sports talk was on the weekend along with some others, Ken Coleman, Gary Sullivan, etc. At time of posting I didn't know they'd still air Dial A Deal since the promo showed the whole weekend as WEBR. But I can confirm Dial A Deal was on this morning.

I guess if I wanted music I'd turn on a music station. Or 105.3 if I wanted that music.

Maybe a better idea would be to add the talk from the music station to the talk station. I'd rather listen to re-runs of WEBR's Tom Darro show (or any of the others) than WEBR's music. But it sounds like you're trying to justify an illogical format change simply because it's produced locally.
WEBR's M-F playlist is very limited on the weekends. The rest is a mix of unique music (Great American Songbook, Oldies with background info, Italian, Polish), and talk shows, not to mention the unique, and entertaining story-teller, who's beloved by all WNYers, not matter the municipality, Barry Lillis.
 
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Mostly sports talk was on the weekend along with some others, Ken Coleman, Gary Sullivan, etc. At time of posting I didn't know they'd still air Dial A Deal since the promo showed the whole weekend as WEBR. But I can confirm Dial A Deal was on this morning.

I guess if I wanted music I'd turn on a music station. Or 105.3 if I wanted that music.

Maybe a better idea would be to add the talk from the music station to the talk station. I'd rather listen to re-runs of WEBR's Tom Darro show (or any of the others) than WEBR's music. But it sounds like you're trying to justify an illogical format change simply because it's produced locally.
"Kurt", you can listen to reruns of Tom Darro, anytime, at View Point - WEBR Radio
 
Thanks, Mark. Add to that the other locally-produced shows, that are coming over from WEBR, like Tony Occhiutto's Italian Gold, the SC Parker financial show, We're Talking Pets, and my humble Polish American Radio Program. The only national show aired on WEBR on the weekends, is Wink Martindale's History of Rock and Roll. Sounds like a bonus for WLVL listeners, at least those interested in the variety of topics presented, and produced by local talent. All of the shows coming over are unique. Nationally-syndicated talk shows have many more outlets for a listener to tap into than the shows offered on EBR, and now on LVL on the weekends.
"We're Talking Pets." Despite knowing that pets are a big deal to many many people, I just had to laugh at this niche show. I'll bet it's relatively popular and is undoubtedly a perfect fit for WLVL. SMH. LOL. [My apologies to all the folks that refer to the animal(s) they own as "their children" or "their fur babies"... who surely make this 'must listen' radio.]
 
Serious question: How many people actually tune in these radio stations OTA? What's your thought?

My guess is each station has a weekly cume of fewer than 300 listeners. Maybe less. Average quarter hour persons would be even lower. To me, each station is a mish-mash of niche programming lacking any consistency. If WLVL and WEBR are your cup of tea, OTA or streaming, wonderful. Enjoy.
 
Serious question: How many people actually tune in these radio stations OTA? What's your thought?

My guess is each station has a weekly cume of fewer than 300 listeners. Maybe less. Average quarter hour persons would be even lower. To me, each station is a mish-mash of niche programming lacking any consistency. If WLVL and WEBR are your cup of tea, OTA or streaming, wonderful. Enjoy.
Rusty, a clarification. Is 300 a typo? Perhaps you mean a weekly cume of 3,000 listeners? Even that is pretty low. When I used to peruse Arbitron books back in the day, stations between a one and two share usually had a weekly cume of 20,000 to 30,000.
 
Rusty, a clarification. Is 300 a typo? Perhaps you mean a weekly cume of 3,000 listeners? Even that is pretty low. When I used to peruse Arbitron books back in the day, stations between a one and two share usually had a weekly cume of 20,000 to 30,000.
Thanks for paying attention to detail, Mark. I wrote 300 intentionally. If somebody like Dave Eduardo or a proxy of the "banned broadcaster" posts factual stats that prove my projections wrong, I'll accede to the facts.

Stations like WBLK, WYRK, WGR, 97 Rock, Kiss and WBEN are the cume leaders. WLVL and WEBR pale by comparison. Although cume ("bodies coming through the door") is a different metric than share ("bodies staying in the store"), look at the shares of those two stations. They're minuscule.

This noted, what WEBR and WLVL provide in the way of programming to those 300 bodies has some kind of a purpose, so I'm not ripping the stations. They're not my bowl of Cheerios (General Mills, Buffalo, New York.) I'm asking what posters here believe the actual weekly cume to be, and I put forth a number.

Was a time when WBEN cumed nearly 300k weekly and WKBW in its prime cumed 250k weekly listeners. Those days are long gone. Fragmentation. Alternate sources of enetertainment, and frankly, radio not being as consistently responsive. Yes, the top stations are still churning a healthy cume, in context. Not sure what WBEN cumes Persons 12+ Mon-Sun, 6 am to midnight these days, but I suspect it's top five if not top three. WBLK, WYRK, WBEN, 97 Rock, WGR probably WHTT and WEDG in there, too... just speculatin'.
 
Serious question: How many people actually tune in these radio stations OTA? What's your thought?

My guess is each station has a weekly cume of fewer than 300 listeners. Maybe less. Average quarter hour persons would be even lower. To me, each station is a mish-mash of niche programming lacking any consistency. If WLVL and WEBR are your cup of tea, OTA or streaming, wonderful. Enjoy.
Something for everyone :)
 
But Andy, everyone is not listening. Their 12+ rating of 0.2 or 0.4 after 3 full years on the air is fairly significant proof of that. How many more times will the powers that be at this radio station shoot themselves in the foot?:cry:
 
But Andy, everyone is not listening. Their 12+ rating of 0.2 or 0.4 after 3 full years on the air is fairly significant proof of that. How many more times will the powers that be at this radio station shoot themselves in the foot?:cry:
WEBR, formally WJJL, has been irrelevant in the Buffalo market for the past 25 years. So nothing new here.
 
But Andy, everyone is not listening. Their 12+ rating of 0.2 or 0.4 after 3 full years on the air is fairly significant proof of that. How many more times will the powers that be at this radio station shoot themselves in the foot?:cry:
Maybe in this case it doesn't matter to "the powers that be" that no one is listening. Bill Yuhnke put out a press release where he proclaimed himself a "Radio Maestro", so it seems that the only listener he really cares about and is aiming at is himself. It's his money, and if he can afford it, and wants to program it this way, then that's his prerogative. I've certainly known hundreds of owners in my 40+ years in the business who program what they want to hear, and would tell everyone who questioned them that they knew best. Heck, the GM of my local station growing up used to play Don Ho and Hawaiian music on his morning show as filler between news stories and farm reports. Block programmed it and aired 'Lum and Abner' at the same time for 34 years! Nobody listened to it outside of him, but the owner said as long as the station made money, he didn't care what the GM played. It's the Golden Rule of Broadcasting: He who has the gold makes the rules.
 
A few months ago I was shopping at a well-known outdoor store on "the Transit" and struck up a conversation with one of the associates. He was about 25-30 ... didn't know Lockport even had a radio station. His smart phone was his source of entertainment, and when he did listen to radio, it was "one of the Buffalo channels, 'the sports station,' '103' and 'that country station' sometimes."
Well - like many station operators, you're supposed to discover the station by accident. Those operators have tried to get businesses to do something that the operators don't seem to want to do -- advertise. Whether a 25-30 year old would listen to WLVL or WEBR is a moot point if he doesn't know it exists. Tell me what you got -I'll tell you if I like it.
 
Thanks, Mark. Add to that the other locally-produced shows, that are coming over from WEBR, like Tony Occhiutto's Italian Gold, the SC Parker financial show, We're Talking Pets, and my humble Polish American Radio Program. The only national show aired on WEBR on the weekends, is Wink Martindale's History of Rock and Roll. Sounds like a bonus for WLVL listeners, at least those interested in the variety of topics presented, and produced by local talent. All of the shows coming over are unique. Nationally-syndicated talk shows have many more outlets for a listener to tap into than the shows offered on EBR, and now on LVL on the weekends.
Just noticed this post. I co-produce and engineer that show - The History of Rock 'n' Roll - which was just picked up for syndication by United Stations which got it away from G-Networks. I didn't realize we were the only national show on WEBR. That's rather an honor!
 
Many? Out of just over 4500 AM stations on 1/1/2000, not even 1% have gone dark... more like half of that which are cancelled or "terminally silent".

Your definition of "many" is very, very exaggerated.
Realistically, how can many of these AM stations with few listeners stay in business? Just covering the cost of running the transmitter and maintaining the facility and staff has to eat up any profit they may generate. What kind of revenue can a station below a .5 actually expect?
 
Realistically, how can many of these AM stations with few listeners stay in business? Just covering the cost of running the transmitter and maintaining the facility and staff has to eat up any profit they may generate. What kind of revenue can a station below a .5 actually expect?
You talk like making enough to pay the bills and pay the staff is a bad thing. Maybe Bill Yuhnke isn't in it for big profits. I still think he would be better off targeting Niagara County and super-serving that audience, but determining that audience would require research and investment.

With that said, I don't think that the day-to-day programming is all that fractured. They're mostly consistent from 6 am to midnight, playing what we used to call "chicken rock" primarily from the '70s. The weekends are a mish-mosh of ethnic and special interest shows not unlike the paid programming on a lot of small-town stations. If you got money, you can have airtime.
 
You talk like making enough to pay the bills and pay the staff is a bad thing.
Maybe I should've been more clear about what I was getting at: Given how low the listenership is on these fringe stations, I wonder how many can even pay their bills. What is the overhead and likely revenue for a station like this?
 
Maybe I should've been more clear about what I was getting at: Given how low the listenership is on these fringe stations, I wonder how many can even pay their bills. What is the overhead and likely revenue for a station like this?
Many small market AM stations rely on paid/brokered programming, whether it's national Colon Blow or ED shows, or local Dog & Pet Shows, Ask the Plumber, or Polka Extravaganza, to turn the corner. Six hours of brokered programming on Saturday or Sunday can make the difference between a (small market AM) station being in the red or making payroll and keeping the lights on. Not so many years ago, at least three FM stations in Buffalo ran the Colon Blow show, albeit early on Saturday or Sunday morning. Many of these types of shows run PI (Per Inquiry) and stations get paid accordingly.
 
Many small market AM stations rely on paid/brokered programming, whether it's national Colon Blow or ED shows, or local Dog & Pet Shows, Ask the Plumber, or Polka Extravaganza, to turn the corner. Six hours of brokered programming on Saturday or Sunday can make the difference between a (small market AM) station being in the red or making payroll and keeping the lights on. Not so many years ago, at least three FM stations in Buffalo ran the Colon Blow show, albeit early on Saturday or Sunday morning. Many of these types of shows run PI (Per Inquiry) and stations get paid accordingly.

I ran colon blow and brother stair on a derelict AM i programmed in south carolina. It paid the electric/phone/internet bill.
 
I ran colon blow and brother stair on a derelict AM i programmed in south carolina. It paid the electric/phone/internet bill.
You got a laugh reaction from me solely by bringing up that individual Brother Stair. I recall Stair and David J. Smith haranguing listeners on 1520 AM during the late 90s. Always enjoyed Smith forecasting the Y2K event as the end, yet still trying to get me to subscribe for a year to 'Newswatch Magazine' as close as 2 months before the event. 🤔🤨
 
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