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Rudolph - public domain?

There's no way the Rankin-Bass Rudolph is in the public domain, and even when the Rudolph character and story pass out of copyright in a decade, the animated feature will remain very much copyrighted.

And the sort of public exhibition license that would allow a senior home or school to screen the movie for a small in-person audience absolutely would not allow for a cablecast of it, even on public access.
 
There's no way the Rankin-Bass Rudolph is in the public domain, and even when the Rudolph character and story pass out of copyright in a decade, the animated feature will remain very much copyrighted.

And the sort of public exhibition license that would allow a senior home or school to screen the movie for a small in-person audience absolutely would not allow for a cablecast of it, even on public access.
How many people ever get public exhibition licenses.
 
How many people ever get public exhibition licenses.
In a way, it's kind of like this situation - the odds that you'll ever get caught are incredibly slim, so the risk that you'll end up having to get into it legally with the IP owner isn't that high.

Who's actually paying attention to most of these public access channels these days, right? They're usually still in bad SD, and depending on the cable company they might have been bumped up into the four-digit channels. (Spectrum moved all of its PEG channels into the 1300 range a few years back, which effectively took them out of view for most customers.)

And it's such a vicious circle. The fewer the viewers, the less likely any effort will be put into them, and so the quality gets worse (our local public school channel has had no audio for months and nobody seems to have noticed), and so the less they get missed by viewers who cut the cord, which in turn means less $ going from cable company franchise fees to keep funding the channels.

Training? You should see the movies my 15 year old and his friends make with just their phones. They know how to light and edit and do much better graphics than I could ever do on our cable channel's "professional" equipment 40 years ago. My kid should be the one *doing* the training!
 
There's no way the Rankin-Bass Rudolph is in the public domain, and even when the Rudolph character and story pass out of copyright in a decade, the animated feature will remain very much copyrighted.

And the sort of public exhibition license that would allow a senior home or school to screen the movie for a small in-person audience absolutely would not allow for a cablecast of it, even on public access.

Thanks for the clarification on the public exhibition license for a public access channel wasn’t completely sure if it was doable or not.

How many people ever get public exhibition licenses.

Thanks to hounding and snooping from various movie studios and groups just about every school/school district has one, as do towns/cities that offer any “free movie in the park” in the summer or something (it’s a lot more common in the south.)

And they aren’t cheap either.


In a way, it's kind of like this situation - the odds that you'll ever get caught are incredibly slim, so the risk that you'll end up having to get into it legally with the IP owner isn't that high.

Who's actually paying attention to most of these public access channels these days, right?

Agreed it’s a risk but it’s a risk one doesn’t want to take. Organizations like MPAA and RIAA are still sue happy to this day and love to sent out nasty grams and threats.
 
Thanks to hounding and snooping from various movie studios and groups just about every school/school district has one, as do towns/cities that offer any “free movie in the park” in the summer or something (it’s a lot more common in the south.)
And they aren’t cheap either.
Way back in the late 1980s I saw part of a documentary on our PBS station. I was interested in seeing the rest, this was before the internet, so I wrote to the station via snail mail, gave them the name and date of the program and asked where/how I could get a copy. They put me in touch with a company that provided VHS copies of those programs. The cost they quoted nearly made my jaw hit the floor. When I asked if they'd added an extra zero or put the decimal in the right place, they told me they assumed it was for a school or group who'd be showing it in public or to a larger gathering. A few years later I saw the same program available for home viewing in a trade magazine for about $20 and snagged it there. So yeah, as you say - not cheap.
Agreed it’s a risk but it’s a risk one doesn’t want to take. Organizations like MPAA and RIAA are still sue happy to this day and love to sent out nasty grams and threats.
There was a story in our local news a few years back about a small ethnic mom and pop restaurant that usually played the radio in their place, and occasionally had a guy who'd stand on a platform in the corner, play guitar and sing. I'm not sure which of the licensing/rights fees organizations it was, but one of them had a rep who went in, asked to speak with one of the elderly unsuspecting owners of the restaurant, flashed his card and it ended up costing them $$$. I'm sure many restaurant and business owners don't even realize this exists - they just assume they can put a radio in the corner or play it through some speakers, tune it to a station that suits their clientele and think nothing more of it. Many other establishments likely just load up an iPod and put it on constant shuffle.
 
I didn't see it when it aired, but apparently COX Public Access also aired Charlie Brown's Thanksgiving. Their website said Enjoy our Holiday Specials and Charlie Brown's Thanksgiving was listed. I'm sure Apple's Lawyers would like a word with the folks st COX 15.
I doubt they care unless you snitched to them.
 
In a way, it's kind of like this situation - the odds that you'll ever get caught are incredibly slim, so the risk that you'll end up having to get into it legally with the IP owner isn't that high.

Who's actually paying attention to most of these public access channels these days, right? They're usually still in bad SD, and depending on the cable company they might have been bumped up into the four-digit channels. (Spectrum moved all of its PEG channels into the 1300 range a few years back, which effectively took them out of view for most customers.)

And it's such a vicious circle. The fewer the viewers, the less likely any effort will be put into them, and so the quality gets worse (our local public school channel has had no audio for months and nobody seems to have noticed), and so the less they get missed by viewers who cut the cord, which in turn means less $ going from cable company franchise fees to keep funding the channels.

Training? You should see the movies my 15 year old and his friends make with just their phones. They know how to light and edit and do much better graphics than I could ever do on our cable channel's "professional" equipment 40 years ago. My kid should be the one *doing* the training!
One of the Masterclass video series' on YouTube has Ron Howard teaching movie directing
 
In a way, it's kind of like this situation - the odds that you'll ever get caught are incredibly slim, so the risk that you'll end up having to get into it legally with the IP owner isn't that high.
I remember editing and laying out over the years hundreds of announcements of movies to be shown at area libraries, senior centers, youth centers, etc. They'd always be films that were over a year old and available on the retail market. No one ever got caught, even though the notice in the paper always gave the titles of all the movies involved. I doubt that most, or maybe any, of these organizations had public exhibition licenses.
 
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